GOD ISNT REAL

Gdawg3

Gdawg3

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I'm sorry if I piss people off, and everyone's entitled to their beliefs, but that evolution thread just showed how retarded some of you people are. And before you declare all out war on me because I don't share your beliefs, read this through.

Unlike evolution, and many other scientific theories, there is no evidence for God. Nada. Not once, has there ever been any event that was irrefutably recorded that indicates the existence of a Christian God, or any other God. All theories of the creation of the universe proposed by Christianity (not to mention all other religions) have alternatives in science. Now, many physicists and other scientists accept the Big Bang and still believe in God, because these theories can be complementary, but the God side of the equation doesn't have any proof, unlike the Big Bang. I also realize most people who believe in God also recognize the undeniable facts of evolution, so this isn't a rant about how evolution is correct, so don't reply by saying that.

I wish that God was real, because that would create a very attractive, reassuring view of the universe. I've read everything I can about Christianity's arguments for God, and they simply don't make sense, or otherwise ignore sound scientific theories (and the scientific term for theory is much different than the vernacular, it indicates that there has been truckloads of research, peer evalution, and scrutinization befor it has been classified as a theory.) There is no reason to believe in God based upon the 'facts' surrounding it.

Now, I didn't arrive at these beliefs because of brainwashing by my atheist parents, I reasoned it out myself by reading and learning. Most of my familiy is Catholic, but even my tiny 6 year old brain could figure out that all christianity is b.s. If you accept scientific reasoning, there has to be at least a modicum of evidence for someting to be possible, let alone probable. This means that God is not real. Sorry, but it's true.

If you took the time to read this, thanks, and please don't berate me without at least thinking about what you are saying. Replies like 'fuck you, commie' only reinforce my argument.

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i agree with you 100% It would be good if god did exist but i cannot believe that he does. i cannot just have blind faith in something that does nothing. I also feel that believing in god is alright if it helps you get through life. but it just isnt my way

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Alright, now listen here son. This has been tried before, by me, among other people, infact. And most shibinest bra, it doesn't work. Peoples' opinions will not change, only strengthen. Next time make it an article and there'll be no antiphattness jibbijabba, AARRRR matey.

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Sorry TAKster mate, just had to

GDawg3 - I think what you really meant in the title was 'GDawg3 THINKS that God doesn't exist' right?

Coz reading through your post you've proved what an idiot you are.

1) There is no proof of evolution, 'nada' as you might say. None what-so-ever, it is a well liked theory. People believe it coz they don't want to believe in God and christiananity.

2) There is no proof of God on this planet because he has never been here. Fairly obvious. This whole world and everything in it however is proof of his works.

3) There is more proof that Jesus Christ the Saviour walked this earth than there is that Socroties existed. There is more proof that Jesus Christ walked this earth than there is that Alexandra the Great or Cleopatra ever existed. Now that's pretty solid and pretty substantial.

So yeah, go eat a dick.

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Who really cares that Jesus was here... it matters that there is proof that Jesus was God's 'son' whatever that was supposed to mean. There have been plenty of other cult leaders (waco texas guy) who have claimed they have been the son of God. Not sure what made this Jesus so special.

 
yeah well, if you'd read about him in the bible then you'd probably understand. But I can't be bothered fighting this war, no one cares and no one's going to change their views and seems only you and a few others are going to even listen to other views so I agree with TAK.

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tim, you're an idiot,

have you read 'the origins of species'? you really should.

and of course jesus christ walked the earth, but is there any proof that he was the incarnation of the messiah? fuck no, he was a delusional wacko and so we're all the morons that followed him and continue to follow him

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my intire crew waited for his ass at the bottem of the hill and beat the shit out of him. i broke his poles agianst a tree, and we snapped one of his skis. fucker got uppercutted so much. he was bleeding from his eyes and shit, crying like a little pussy. i busted out a body slam on his ass and broke both of his arms. the ski patroler broke up the fight and clipped all of our tickets. we where gonna beat the shit out of the patroller but my mom came to pick us up.

~mommy~
 
First of all, I wasn't really trying to change anybody's opinions because I know that won't work, it was really more just a rant that I needed to do after reading that goddamn evolution thread.

Second of all, of course Jesus Christ existed, but the only proof that he was the son of God and did miraculous things is the Bible, which has about the same credibility as me writing a book about how a flying wallaby created the universe by hocking a celestial loogie. Just because a lot of people believe it doesn't make it true, it has to have evidence...

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wow. some of you need to learn some respect. calling someones God a 'delusional wacko' ain't cool. With anything in this world there will always be the 'what happened before' where did the earth come from? where did the stuff that created the big bang come from? As people we can't comprehend 2 things. Eternity and nothingness. Some people say the earth was just always there - we can't comprehend 'always there', nor can we comprehend the notion that there was 'nothing' and then something. Thats where God lies, in the uncomprehendable which makes all of this a moot point. All that is here is the present and whatever you believe is fine as long as you're a better person because of it. Religion or Atheism.

-Mike

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'yeah well, if you'd read about him in the bible then you'd probably understand. But I can't be bothered fighting this war, no one cares and no one's going to change their views and seems only you and a few others are going to even listen to other views so I agree with TAK.'

tim tim tim...the Bible is the biggest piece of theological/historical manufactured crap ever made. first of it was written by man...and not just one. is was even written as jesus was alive...its was written like 40+ years later by other people. right from the beginning of the Bible we are hit with bull shit. the Bible contradicts itself like crazy. we start with the creation...first light and dark is created (its created before sources of light and darkness was created)...then sky and water...then land, vegatation...then the sun, moon, stars (isnt the sun a star?)...then land animals...and then man and women. Then you get to the next section and it says GOD created man in his image...so he creates man first, but not women(the first section says they were created at the same time)...then animals and veg and then finally woman is created. then in the book of kings it says 500,000 people lived in the desert for 40 years (maybe its just me, but i find this unlikely since today we hardly can supply troops to live in the desert for more than 6 months let alone 40 years, lol). it makes no sense cause half the time GOD is transcendent in the Bible and then other times he is immanent. totally contradictory. the Bible is purely a source of historical entertainment. to bash evolution, which can be proven scientifically, and then resort to the story of adam and eve makes you sound ignorant and illinformed.

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well said mike

This is a huge topic I don't wanna get too far into, but titling a thread 'GOD ISN'T REAL' is somewhat offensive for those of us who believe in God. None of us go around making posts titled 'GOD IS REAL.' That being said, I think there are some of us who see the evidence and say 'There can't be a God.' And there are some of us, myself included, who see the evidence and say, 'There has to be a God.' You guys think everything we have here on earth is just a weird freak of evolution? An amazing coincidence?? And like Mike said, why is there ANYTHING if there's nothing above and beyond us?

We know Jesus was real. It takes a lot for one man, who everyone would label as a crazy wacko, to create a religion that has become prevalent in every corner of the globe. Did people just make up all those things it says he did in the Gospels? There's nothing in it for any of them; the Roman empire continued to persecute them for like 300 years. The romans hung him for what he preached. HOW could he possibly develop the following he had during his life if he didn't do the things it says he did? The way I see it, it's a lot more far-fetched to say there's nothing, than to say there is a God. But to each his own.

 
SUPilot, it doesn't say they were made at the same time. Adam was made and then Eve was made using a rib from his body.

And yeah, they lived in the desert for 40 years. Why do you keep taking modern day living principles and try to apply them to things that happened so long ago. It's a completley different setting.

And yes, learn some respect.

GDawg, you contradict yourself. You said that just because heaps of people believe in the bible doesn't make it real, it needs solid evidence. Same with evolution kiddo. Just coz you and all your little mates believe in it doesn't make IT true, it nees solid proof, of which there is none.

That is all/

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i don't know enough about religion to get involved in this, but to whoever said there is no proof of evolution....I disagree COMPLETELY. Look at the coelacanth. That's just one example. Tests have been done with rapidly reproducing insects and bacteria that show mutation in reaction to a given environment....ie, things adapt, ie things EVOLVE. I don't agree or disagree with the existence of god, although it seems unplausible, at least it explains everything one bit further, where did the universe come from? God. BUT, where'd HE come from. So at least it gets us closer. But I'm still not sure. I believe there could be a god, but I do NOT believe in religion the way it is. Religion is corrupt by nature. Any 'God' that is so great and almighty would never require his...uh, creations to bow down and worship him like suckers. He'd say, fuck it, enjoy yourselves!! BUT, evolution exists, has been proven, has always existed, and will always exist. My thoughts.

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Dude, there's a huge difference between evolution and mutation

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the question is not do things evolve, it's did WE evolve. I say yes timmay says no. whatever though.

-Mike

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where did god come from? hehe

god created god, ahahahahahahaha

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my intire crew waited for his ass at the bottem of the hill and beat the shit out of him. i broke his poles agianst a tree, and we snapped one of his skis. fucker got uppercutted so much. he was bleeding from his eyes and shit, crying like a little pussy. i busted out a body slam on his ass and broke both of his arms. the ski patroler broke up the fight and clipped all of our tickets. we where gonna beat the shit out of the patroller but my mom came to pick us up.

~mommy~
 
how do you explain the bible then? I'd have a hard time believing that it's a huge hoax...all that testament about God and his creation was not made up. just my opinion

 
if you have nothing sensible to contribute then why don't you go rape a small rodent or something. Maybe you could help it evolve

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haha, yes. god created god, yes. and no, i don't think there's a difference between mutation and evolution. evolution is caused by slow gradual mutation.

if it's just a question of whether WE evolved, i still say yes. I figure, if there is a god, he created, sort of a blueprint. He put the stuff down KNOWING it would evolve into us. Kinda like a chia pet. You have to plant it, and let it grow. Know what I mean?

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oh, and mutation as a reaction to a new enviroment i.e. adaptation is evolution

and since the enviroment of the earth is ever changing, we are ever evolving, except that now we have found a way to adapt our enviroment to ourselves, and in humans the process of natural selection has stopped therefore, in humans, evolution has stopped

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my intire crew waited for his ass at the bottem of the hill and beat the shit out of him. i broke his poles agianst a tree, and we snapped one of his skis. fucker got uppercutted so much. he was bleeding from his eyes and shit, crying like a little pussy. i busted out a body slam on his ass and broke both of his arms. the ski patroler broke up the fight and clipped all of our tickets. we where gonna beat the shit out of the patroller but my mom came to pick us up.

~mommy~
 
you're right salomon2003

I guess the bible just mythically evolved from fairy tales or something right?

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I can't belive I'm wasting my time here

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no, i just think the bible is a book. don't take offense at that, please. but seriously, look at how many religous texts there are. i don't even know how many. each religion thinks THEIRS is the ONE. but which one is the one? they all seem pretty big and deep to me! coulda just been fairy tales to get kids to be good, like santa.

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tim, you can't say you're wasting your time. that's what really bugs me. so many religous people are so set on their belief, they think its a waste of time to even discuss it. they just think they're right, and everyone else is wrong. that's not cool.

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almost had a point there, but you'll realize that the fact that we don't evolve anymore has nothing to do with humans evolving from apes.

-Mike

'Isn't 14 legal for everyone?' - Dave Pauls
 
Well I'm quite the opposite bro. Go read the last thread we had about this topic 'God' I believe it was called.

I get right into these discussions. You see it really depends who you're talking to. There are some guys on here that you can have great arguements with. If you read back through this thread you'll see that it's other people who're closed minded, telling me that I'm stupid for believing what I do. THAT my friend is not cool.

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i didn't call you stupid did I? i just thought saying it was a waste of your time was a little...um, not polite. but then again, i sorta butted in this discussion towards the end! haha, no biggy!

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'doyle's got a boner and wants to stick it in your ear'
 
Well yeah, I belive that I am wasting my time coz most of the people in this discussion are closed minded freaks who are gonna automatically dismiss whatever I say without even considering it. Otherwise I would get right into it. I prefer to oppose unpoliteness with equal unpoliteness, hehe.

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wow, this thread actually stayed decent. lots of good arguments/opinions with JUSTIFICATIONS and not just blatant name calling. good work.

evolution: okay, so we know that creatures do evolve. however, until we find the 'missing link' i'm not too crazy about the theory that we evolved from apes. when an ape and a child are given a circle with two dots in it, the child will make it a happy face however the ape never does.

bible: the bible was written over hundreds of years by many different people. it's divided into two testiments: the new and the old. part of the new testiment tells of the life of jesus. four disciples wrote about the life of jesus shortly after he 'died' or left earth. so these testiments in the bible were around for people to read that had also lived when jesus performed his miracles. do you think that if these miracles were all a hoax the people that lived at that time and read the bible would allow it to be distributed and reproduced?

these are just a few thoughts that popped into my head when reading these posts. agree or disagree but JUSTIFICATIONS for you position are crucial.

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right on lizziebeth, right on

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i myself have been raised without religion so i am not a believer in God. If you do believe in God and it does help you justify a purppose in life then all the power to you. Just a thought though how are you so sure that the bibe wasent just a fictional book about a great man to help people get through life that got blown way out of proportion and people began to believe it is true. just like a rumor spreading. I am not saying this is what i believe but it is a possibility and one we will never be sure of untill we die and find out if we go to a 'hell' or 'heaven'

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um, jesus wasn't a fictional character if that's who you're referring to weiner as 'the great guy who did good things'. the romans kept records of the people they crucified and jesus was an actual person. the argument is whether or not he was actually the son of god.

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the christian bible has two books lizbeth, but the jewish bible only has one...plus there is the apocraphy.

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yes, it would make sense that the jewish religion has only the old testiment because the new testiment deals with jesus. seeing how jews do not believe that jesus was the messiah it makes sense that they would not incorporate the new testiment into their religion.

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yeah, good job guys, i cant say that i agree wiht everything that people said here, but there were some good points made, eh? we just had this wickedly long talk (discussion, debate, fight, whatever you want to call it) in english the other day, after my teacher handed out the next book that we'd be reading... excerpts of the old testament. apparently some people took it very offensivley, which is actually understandable, keeping in consideration that they are hardcore when it comes to their religion, good for them, i mean, whatever floats your boat. my parents are christian, and it is the religion thati have been brought up with, we're talking church sometime every weekend, CCD, no swearing...

i guess its something that you just get used to, and its not until you get older and start being exposed more and more to these new and different ideals that you will start to realize... maybe you dont really believe in everything that is being spoon fed to you, some of it might make sense, some of it you might agree wiht, but other things are just pulled out of somebodys ass, wanting some security as to how they came to be, or something like how your parents tell you that if you dont want to do something, you can blame it on them... these people, if they dont want to do something, can blame it on their religion. ((does that make sense?))

i started to question somethign that was such a huge part of my life, and let me be the first to say that the hardest part wasnt figuring out what i did believe, but how things went when my parents found out. not only did i not believe in God, but that i didnt want to be a part of any religion-- nothing defined.

science isnt really my big thing, but when it came to this, the only theory i found that could somewhat explain what could have brought the beginning of the world, was the big bang. i mean, yeah, its pretty radical too, but not any more than saying that Jesus Christ walked the earth, wihtout having any proof. at least this can be backed up to some extent.

everybody has their own opinion, whether it goes along wiht their religious beliefs, or not, whether its 'kosher' in todays society, or not... we're beginning to form a society where anything goes, and telling people what their religion is, or what they stand for, isnt going to get us much of anywhere, hm? for right now, i guess ill end it with; dont let people define what you believe and dont let the rules of your religion keep you from thinking certain things; be radical... be yourself... be whatever the fuck you want to be-- uniformity is out, dudes, come on! :)

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heh, hope you can make some sense out of that... a lot of the time, things make sense in my head, they just done come out right. lol :)

SKI, SEX, AND FUCKING ROLL!!

*When you call my name it's like a little prayer

I'm down on my knees, I wanna take you there

In the midnight hour I can feel your power

Just like a prayer you know I'll take you there*

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there is proof that jesus walked the earth! jesus was a man!...a normal guy that existed like the rest of us. there is no doubt about that. there is doubt and speculation when you try to discern between jesus as a normal dude and then jesus as being the son of God.

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uh, good work supilot. that's basically what i posted about two posts ago.

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k2skipimp- 'where did god come from? hehe

god created god, ahahahahahahaha'

Where did the earth come from......the earth?

I can believe that my God has created everything rather than it just comin out from the middle of now where and noting...........Peace

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Gdawg3, I respect your couteous post, but unfortunately after reading the other posts, I don't know that this is the best place to share that kind of logic. Most of the replies, with a few exceptions are pretty immature, discourteous, and just plain stupid. It would be nice if people would keep their trap shut if they can't argue with some degree of intelligence. Why not just leave the post alone?

As for a reply, I can purely understand your reasoning for lack of what finite humans consider evidence. I don't really agree with it though. It all depends on your perspective. I would consider the very planet that we live on, the life on it, and the complexity of that life to be evidence enough for me. How could something that complex come to be by chance?

Faith is a very interesting subject in itself, but it is not blind stupidity. The Bible has not been proven false, and until it is, I will gladly place my faith in what it says. After all, even if there was more evidence, it could be twisted to prove otherwise, just as any other subject.

I suppose that there will be some pretty stupid posts in reply to this, but by posting, you are only declaring your own idiocy :)

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Im not here to flame anyone. I am happily surpised that the whole thread so far has been full of legit ideas and not name calling and retarted arguments.

One thing i wanted to say..I dont see how someone can say jesus was a good man but not God.

Either he was the son of God or the biggest hippocrit ever to walk this planet.

well to keep it real I started being a Poser Poser. I dress and act like a poser, but i'm not really a poser. I just pose to look like a poser posing. you know just keepin it underground

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right on parker...there's no way that Jesus could be just 'a good man'. The guy claimed to be the son of God...that's a pretty huge title if you ask me. And from what I've read and heard he was the son of God. I dunno, usually you've average dude doesn't raise people from the dead...nevermind himself. So many people say that Christ's apostles just lied about all over jesus' miracles is pretty wack too. Most of his apostles where killed for there beliefs...and would you die for a lie? I know i wouldn't.

I also find it interesting that a lot of people in this thread view putting your faith in God as stupid. No matter what you believe you put your faith in something...i you believe in evolution, God, or nothing...you're still putting your trust, or faith, in something. whatever i'm done lol.

 
In reply to the question 'how is the Bible any different from any other book'....

There is a good deal of logical reasoning for the Bible.

1)The Bible is the oldest book, and has survived many attempts to destroy it.

2)The Bible has evidence for it, but now evidence against it. If you don't think so, show me some.

3)The Bible does not contain one error. It was written by over 40 different authors over a period of 1500 years. These authors did not even know eachother existed in many cases, yet there are no contradictions. Not one.

There are more, but I don't remember them all :(. I think these arguments are worth some consideration though.

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Evolution can't happen without God. What made the big bang. It had to be God. What made God?

There is tons of proof that evolution occurs. Not 'nada' as Phattim put it. People used to live in caves. Now we live in houses. That is evolution. Animals evolved camo so they wouldnt be seen as easily. Animals grew to reach food like girrafes.

Jesus walked the earth. He might have been a normal guy or he might have been God's son. We can't prove either thing.

There is so many religions out there and they all think they are right. Most religions think the other ones are wrong. All these religions make it impossibel to tell if there is anything right about religion. The bible was a history of things that happened. People didnt have the same science we have now so they couldn't explain things. They used God as an answer. I don't doubt that most of the bible is based on truth. By the time it was written down it was probably a lot different than what really happened.

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Oh my gosh you're a moron.

Yeah we lived in caves once, now we live in houses, yep, evolution man, good one, DUMBASS!

It's called technology, inventing new things, developing language, tools, new things. Once the only thing important to man was to find enough food to survive, then we discovered that we could make life more pleasent by making walls around our caves, then a roof so why use the cave at all? then many many years later porn, and fast food and making our lives ever more easier. It's not evolution! It's a journey of self-discovery!

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Ok, I was raised roman catholic, around 17-18 I decided I was better on my own for a while, and then set out to find some answers and ideas that I thought the catholic church didn't address.

Oh, and a little flash back: A very short time before I was to enter the Canadian Forces, I was having an internal crisis with the possibility that I would perhaps be in a position to take the life of another man. So I went to my church for answers. I sat down and I asked my preist I said 'If I continue on my path, I'm likely, eventually, going to be in a position where taking the life of another man is inevitable. What is the churches view on this, and would God be able to forgive me?'

His response was 'No matter what, God can forgive you.'

I interjected, with 'But how can it be alright to kill another man, only because he lives in another country? All militaries want to be percieved as a unified terrifying force, of strong, willing, capable soldiers; but in reality the man firing at me, is just as scared for his life, and his family waits at home for him as well'

His response was 'If it is done in the name of defending your country, and your family, and your fellow man, then, your church is understanding.'

Something about all that just made me instantly ill. It reeked of hypocrity. It was that day that I realized that that the church wasn't for me.

Now, regarding Jesus's name being on a roman registry, proving he was crucified, that proves nothing. Do any of you realize how common the name Jesus was in those times? That's like taking a segmented portion of, say, BC, and writing a story about a man who lived in say, revelstoke, named Richard. 2000 years later, someone finds your book, and reads all about richard, and finds during an architectural dig, that Richard was a buried in glenhaven cemetary, so therefore, the book is legit. I don't buy that 'proof'.

Do I think that evolution is the explanation to everything, no. Probability is ridiculously low.

But wait a second here... what are we trying to explain? How/why conscious entities such as humans, came to be? If we were the only ones that infact held consciousness, then yes, for certain, wow, that's really impressive, we are the 'chosen ones', we're special, but me? I contend that we aren't so 'special' nor are we the 'chosen'. I believe that a lot of other lifeforms on this earth are fully conscious, and were not just placed here for us to exploit, and manipulate for our own ends. Perhaps when we get together with other creatures, and all sit down, and discuss our theorys regarding our existance, _then_ we'll be alittle closer to an answer, but as it stands, we are far to self-centric to be close to a plausible explanation. But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

P.S. I realize my babblefish hasn't arrived in the mail yet, but one day, with hope.

 
Ok, you guys believe what you want, but here's my opinion and the points supporting it. in reply to tim...

1) There is no proof of evolution, 'nada' as you might say. None what-so-ever, it is a well liked theory. People believe it coz they don't want to believe in God and christiananity. (or you could say that people don't want to look at the concrete evidence that HAS been produced that evolution does exist because they WANT to believe in god and christianity.)

2) There is no proof of God on this planet because he has never been here. Fairly obvious. This whole world and everything in it however is proof of his works. (how do you prove he did it? there is none. because he never EXISTED)

3) There is more proof that Jesus Christ the Saviour walked this earth than there is that Socroties existed. There is more proof that Jesus Christ walked this earth than there is that Alexandra the Great or Cleopatra ever existed. Now that's pretty solid and pretty substantial.

(jesus walked the earth, but let's see some proof of that)

Alright, now here's what I have to say. First off, yes, ok, there were all these miracles. Give me one reason why they don't happen anymore? You say it can't be proven that it didn't happen, but let's take Noah's Arc for instance. They say he loaded all living things onto one big boat. How could he do that if half of the creatures on this earth live in north america? did they just swim over there? this wasn't taken into consideration because they didn't know north america EXISTED. Not only that, but there isn't enough water to cover the whole earth, and if there was, you couldn't have a boat large enough to hold all those animals anyways. ok, you say 'god gave them food, and god did this, god did that' it seems to me like whenever there's a complication in the story, a hole, it's just explained by 'oh, god did it'. 'god created the whole planet and everything on it'. I'm sorry, but seriously, you can see by reading it how foolish that looks. You support your theories of god making everything by saying we are the proof. how is that supposed to make sense? that's like saying 'I just created that glass over there with my mind, because it's there, and you can't prove it wasn't any other way'. It doesn't work. There is evidence of the big bang, the whole universe expanding outwards, radiation of huge proportions around the center point. They've managed to create most elements in the explosions of that magnitude. Look at it logically. Adam and Eve? genetic mutation, theres the word. When you have that small of a population..ok

Say my right arm is one millimetre longer than my left arm. Science has proven that if my children have the same genes as me and have children, and all those descendents of mine come from the same gene pool, over thousands of years that right arm would become feet longer, until they could no longer handle the strain and would die. That's why in endangered animals they often go extinct, genetic deformities.

I could go on and on, but I challenge anyone to say something that proves me wrong. You guys believe in god, fine, but that's my opinion and all that rational thinking backing it up.

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Yes, yes, it's very true that God has not been disproven (however many parts of the Bible have, which is why many Christians interpret it figuratively and metaphorically instead of literally). But, evolution has, and so has quantam physics. Since there is irrefutable evidence for these 2 things, and no evidence for God, why should anyone believe in God? Pure faith, with no justification. To me that seems ludicrous. And all of these fecious arguments about why evolution isn't necessarily true are answered in a lot of books explaining evolution. For example, lizziebeth, there are missing links between humans and apes, in fact there are many different species and subspecies, but the exact link has not been found, but there are many that are extremely close, indicating with certainty that there is a missing link(s), it just hasn't been found yet.

And the idea that the Bible has to be true because so many people at the time of Jesus Christ believed it is also ridiculous. There is such a thing as propoganda, and masses of people can be convinced to believe anything (ever heard of the saying that religion is an opiate for the masses?). The miracles didn't have to be true for people to accept that he was the messiah if all the people at the time believed in the Old Testament and were hoping and looking for the messiah. He simply fulfilled their wishes, and they ignored facts that probably indicated otherwise.

And I titled this thread the way I did because it gets your attention and encourages responses, even if it is because you're outraged. It's a writing tactic that most people know about, and it's usually used in thesis statements.

We have an old saying down on the bayou....Blehhhhh!!!
 
Lizziebeth, you are always surprising me. And PhattTim is one of the truly intelligent people on this site.

basically, lp's a poop. - lizziebeth
 
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