god i hate welfare

ECFS-Attitash

Active member
oh man welfare has got to be one of the worst ideas of all time. i mean its well intentioned and im all for that but it just sucks up money cause all the people who would normally be working are sitting on their asses watching TV all day and getting a check in the mail while all the other americans have to pick up the tab...FUCK YOU

'This one goes out to all the virgins...thanks for nothing!!' -- Miles D.

I ski for Head.
 
indeed

'pro - peagna? What the fuck is that?' - my friend looking at my Propaganda DVD (he's not to bright)

'nah im still going to ski, im just going to board when im... bored...' darryl hunt
 
i thought they had to pick the check up at the welfare office? and you can't just stay on welfare for ever you have to show proof they you applied for so many jobs per month or something along those lines. The mexicans and niggers ruined this country. whoah boy is this post getting deleted or what!!

Oh, shit I spelt something wrong? Fuck you cocksucker!

Jesusjr.com

The day isn't complete without a good texan checkin' session

Wasted State Represent!!

I like my boots like my women, rear entry.
 
yeah cody(five40guy) and i had a us history class together Jr. year and we had a huge arugment about how welfare is fucked. this chick started screaming at us that we need it because some people aren't fortunate, we asked her about the people who sit on their asses and do nothing she just said that they needed it to, what a dumb bitch!

but yeah i think that we should make people find jobs who are on welfare and get themselves off, and if they don't kick their asses to the street

.:[Tyler]:.

*President of the erich's penis fan club

 
dude, thats not the only reason why welfare sucks. im sure there are people who take advantage of it, but someone i know real well is on welfare in maine, and because of the laws up there she cannot work more than 10 or 12 hours a week. she collects welfare and works the maximum hours allowed. if she were to work more hours she would not recieve welfare..but even if she decided to work more and not recieve welfare checks she wouldnt get as much money as she is getting now with welfare. so its really screwed up and it doesnt really help you get out of your situation.

______________

seth

Fairygirl: Why must you be so damn good looking? Why?? lol

nipe: Thats right Diabhal, because we're skiers
 
k .. first of all .. the 'dumb bitch', as you called her, has a point. Some people are less fortunate and do need the help. Finding a job isn't the easiest thing in the world if you don't have the right skills. Welfare is there to help people that are in difficult situations. It's there to help them support themselves and, in many cases, their families while they get back on their feet etc.

Second of all .. those on welfare must check in every month or so with info on where they've been searching for a job (names and phone numbers of employers). So contrary to your beliefs they can't just sit there and do nothing .. now don't get me wrong ... i know that there are SOME people (key word ... some) who abuse welfare ... the system has some flaws, what system doesn't? It's not perfect .. noone claims it is .. but to some people it's key ..

anyway .. keeping it simple ... welfare is something that needs to be worked on as opposed to given up on ...

 
word

______________

seth

Fairygirl: Why must you be so damn good looking? Why?? lol

nipe: Thats right Diabhal, because we're skiers
 
the real problem is the people who are taking advantage of the system because they never worked hard in school or what not...that's their fault, and others shouldnt pay to support them...its called evolution.

'This one goes out to all the virgins...thanks for nothing!!' -- Miles D.

I ski for Head.
 
But if you are an alaskan citizen, you dont pay income tax and you get a big fat check in the mail every year from all the oil money.

Also, why would you get off the couch if you were getting paid for it? If you dont mind living like a bum your whole life, why not do it for less effort, think of that point of view.

 
the CCC was the best idea the U.S. government ever had for helping out the poor. it was such a simple concept, if they want money then they had to work for it. but nwow welfare is too damn easy to get. i was watching diary on mtv a while ago and it was either redman, method man, or old dirty bastard was on welfare. it's bullshit. he had one of the nicest houses ever and some bad ass fucking cars and he was on welfare, it pisses me off.

*Proud Member of the HoBum Posse

Viva la Resistance!

'theres much worse things that the police should worry about than a little peice of shit kid that cant handle being duct taped to a pole.'

-lineski1260

 
They were probly on welfare before they made it big and the government just forgot to take them off even though they are supposed to look at income reports every year...

 
yeah i think some do need it and the ones that work with the system to try to get off of it some day do diserve it but the ones that just dick around and get a check need to be kicked off

.:[Tyler]:.

*President of the erich's penis fan club

 
Welfare is dumb-i'm only saying that cause i'm in a bitter mood.

It's honestly not hard to get a job... just don't be so damn picky, we all do stuff that we don't want. Beggers can't be choosers.

It's waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too easy to get on welfare. and yes you have to check in monthly but htat doesn't mean they do a thourough check, you just have to show them copies of faxes to prove that you're looking ofr a job. It's retarded. Plain and Simple.

 
k .. again .. finding a job is really not as easy as you think .. sure it's easy if you're a teen or if you're in your early 20's .. but as soon as you hit 30 and up .. and you don't have the right skills (not every one is as fortunate as you are) it's not easy ... it's the employers that are getting pickier and pickier .. not the potential employees.

and i don't know what it's like where you are .. but where i'm from .. welfare is not as easy to get as it used to be ..ooh and one more thing ... 'beggers can't be chooser' ... wtf?!?!

 
When you're in your 30's and you don't have the right skills and you're on welfare. get a damn job and mcdonalds. why not? Skills aren't hard to get either... if you didn't graduate get your GED... if you're an addict go to a rehab centre... if you just need post secondary schooling... get a student loan... if you've got a criminal record and no one wants to hire you then that's your own damn problem.

The gorvernment does a fair bit to help out ppl who've made the wrong choices, i've seen waaay too many ppl on welfare that really don't need it. and i'm tired of that.

and me saying beggers can't be choosers... that means that if you're 25 with no job and you're on welfare and have to get a job you may not want to work at some shitty fast food place but it's your only option.

 
i'm not a big fan either, but first off you said that people who would normally have jobs are on welfare instead for a free ride. i'm sure that has some truth to it, but overall that is the main problem with welfare. the point of welfare is to supply people with income while they are inbetween jobs etc...(its supposed to act as an incentive so people take risks in finding jobs) the problem is that it has been statistically proven that overall when people get off of welfare they still dont get jobs...so there really is no point to it. the state of the economy does not change when people are on welfare and when they are not on because when they are not on that doesnt mean the unemployment rate is up. and you have to realize that most people on welfare work in what is called secondary labor...which means that there is lots of displacement and high turnover and nobody is better off. welfare does have good intentions, but it is in some serious need of reform.

Taste Death. Live Life.
 
Sorry CAT, but Kristen's right...

Welfare should only be for the disabled, or really old. Even then they get money elsewhere, so Welfare needs to go away....

Lighten up CAT

__________

Guerilla Trooper of the Silent Army!

::Viva La Ressistance::
 
yeah .. that came out strongly .. sorry about that .. all i'm really trying to say is that there are SOME people out there who really do need welfare and who aren't just cheating the system .. but yes .. there are a lot of people who shouldn't be on it .. it's definately in desperate need of some change ...

 
teneighty: Kristin is not 'right.' you just like her opinion more. there are 15 million americans unemployed now, with the majority on the hunt for any job. it is NOT easy for people to get job's in the current state of the economy. welfare is needed for many of these people so they don't starve out on the street. and it's in everyone's best interest to keep people off the streets

 
haha, crazy skier kids fighting about welfare.

be aware, ski with care

'doyle's got a boner and wants to stick it in your ear'
 
it is for good reasons, but there's way too many people taking advantage of it and getting 'paid to whatch TV', and somebody said earlier. I just think it needs some major change, like people checking up on welfare receivers and making sure they're atleast ATTEPMTING to get a job. It just needs tweaking, the program is for good.

-------------------------------------------------

Co-commander of The NS Isle Community

Guerilla Trooper of the Silent Army!

::Viva La Ressistance::
 
Jobs are fucking easy to find, if your not picky. Beggars can't be choosers. Then agean, in a welfare state there arnet any beggers...

------------------------------------------------------------------------------'I am now a moderator... and all I had to do was suck harveys cock' -Ductapeboy
 
yeah jobs are easy to find but people dont want really shitty jobs like packing meat or any of the worst jobs, so they just sit at home on welfare

--------------------------------------

Creator of the NS Cousin Exchange Program
 
Thats pretty easy to say sitting in suburbia. I bet all your parents clear 100 000 per year. Usef your fucking head

 
first off, in order for welfare to be more effective, mininum wage must be increased so that a person that goes out and finds a job earns more money than they would simply staying on welfare. why would you work at a job for $250/bi-weekly when you could make $300/bi-weekly on welfare??

 
How much my pairents make have nothing to do with the avalabitity of jobs, if your willing to work there's always a job for you.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------'I am now a moderator... and all I had to do was suck harveys cock' -Ductapeboy
 
well it kindof does. right now you don't need to make a living for yourself, it is easy to find a part time minimum wage job. but when you've got a kid and live on your own a part time min. wage job won't pay any bills. A real job (outside of hard labour - which isn't very welcoming to women) is hard to find.

-Mike

'Isn't 14 legal for everyone?' - Dave Pauls
 
a minamum wage job is better than no job, and if that dosent pay the bills, get 2, or 3. there is always work and money in this country for people willing to work.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------'I am now a moderator... and all I had to do was suck harveys cock' -Ductapeboy
 
then agean, who would want to work 2 or 3 jobs when they can have free money, right?

------------------------------------------------------------------------------'I am now a moderator... and all I had to do was suck harveys cock' -Ductapeboy
 
How much your parents make and where you live have nothing to do w/ where you'll end up.

I grew up w/ well off parents, and my bro was on welfare, and was in rehab for 8 months... and i know of a lot of ppl who are on welfare who really don't need it. Just get rid of it.

 
sweetcoz...you have to look at who gets minimum wage jobs though. 70% of minimum wage holders are teenagers who are living with their parents who are most likely doing okay financially! and if minimum wage goes up then employers will hire less people. plus they will discriminate more because people of the same skill level will be competing for secondary labor jobs. thats not a good solution. raising min wage will not solve anything except make alot of teens happy. what needs to be done has nothing to do with lowering wages or messing with welfare. you need to hit the source of the problem....which is lack of skill and generally laziness. if you can better educate people and give them the skills they need to get out of the secondary labor market and into the primary labor market then perhaps that might make a different. but we also need to be aware of displacement...which means if we educate one person then the labor queue doesnt really change because somebody is just bumped out of line. in order to make it work you need to improve the skills of just about everyone. so it comes down to eduation. you people that say its easy to find a job...just get a job at mcdonalds blah blah....it doesnt work like that at all. cause if that were true and the incentive was there then people would get those jobs. its hard to explain something like this to suburbians cause you all really have no clue. state and fed govts have been trying to tackle this issue for a long time now...there is no simple solution. mcdonalds is not the answer.

Taste Death. Live Life.
 
and how much your parents make DOES have alot to do with your success...unless your a total fuckup. i'm not saying that if you dont have money then your screwed...cause thats not true at all. but its totally true that if you come from a financially sound family then you will have many more oppurtunities than the next kid. you have connections already, you get into a good college, you dont have to worry about college loans, which means you can concentrate on your 'thing' instead of having to worry about everything else. to say money doesnt make you successful is like saying people on welfare should work at mcdonalds...it doesnt work like that.

Taste Death. Live Life.
 
ok, so you say the solution is education? well, your leader, mr bush, cut federal spending on libraries by 39 million in 2000. (that's a 19% reduction). in the same year, 163 schools in NYC opened without a principal -> nobody in charge! at the same time, the average annual salary for a teacher is $41351, while the average congressman is making $145100... so i dunno, apparently your compadre GWB doesn't agree that education is really of any importance.

 
bush hasnt done anything for education?? interesting...sounds like your illinformed.

'President Bush Celebrates First Anniversary of No Child Left Behind Act

Presidential Action

President Bush joined school principals and superintendents, education leaders, and Members of Congress in celebrating the one-year anniversary of the signing of the No Child Left Behind Act.

In combination with the President's budget, the No Child Left Behind Act enables America's public schools to receive record levels of funding from the federal government, and creates unprecedented levels of accountability to ensure that those funds are producing real results to help every child in America receive a quality education.

To ensure that the reforms and resources of the No Child Left Behind Act are reaching America's classrooms, President Bush announced that:

Five states (Colorado, Indiana, Massachusetts, New York, and Ohio) have taken the lead in having their school accountability plans approved by the Department of Education. These five states have now outlined specific steps for ensuring yearly progress in reading and math achievement for the students enrolled in their public elementary and secondary schools.

The President's FY 2004 budget proposal increases funding for the Reading First and Early Reading First programs by $75 million over last year, bringing the total to over $1.1 billion, to help children learn to read by the end of third grade and improve pre-reading skills in pre-school.

The President's FY 2004 budget will provide an additional $1 billion (9% increase) for the Title I program that provides funds to America's most needy public schools, bringing his total request for Title I funding to $12.35 billion. From FY 2000 to 2002, federal funding for elementary and secondary education programs increased by 49% -- including an increase of 27% ($4.7 billion) from FY 2001 to FY 2002. To implement the No Child Left Behind Act, states and local school districts have received more than $22 billion in this school year alone.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A Year of Progress in Strengthening America's Public Schools

In the year since President Bush signed the No Child Left Behind Act into law, the Bush Administration has worked closely with state and local education leaders to ensure that these important changes reach the classroom. And the new law is beginning to show results.

Through the new Reading First program, $412 million has been distributed to 20 states to help schools and districts improve children's reading achievement using scientifically proven methods of instruction.

States have implemented the public school choice provisions of the Act to allow parents of students in low-performing schools to transfer to a better public school. Additionally, states have identified supplemental service providers to provide after-school instruction and tutoring to students enrolled in schools in need of improvement.

Since the No Child Left Behind Act was signed into law by President Bush on January 8, 2002, the U.S. Department of Education has been working to implement this landmark Act to ensure that every child receives a high quality education.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Approval of State Accountability Plans

The centerpiece of the No Child Left Behind Act is the development of rigorous state accountability systems to ensure that every child meets the highest possible standards. With the release of final regulations in November 2002, every state has the information needed to meet the January 31, 2003 submission date for state accountability plans.

Five states have taken the lead in integrating the requirements of the Act into their current accountability systems and have received approval for their proposed accountability plans from the Department of Education. The states receiving approval are: Colorado, Indiana, Massachusetts, New York, and Ohio.

The differing plans of these states demonstrate the willingness of the Department of Education to allow flexibility and variety among states, within the limits of the law. The Department has also released guidance to give educators detailed information on the implementation of key programs, including: Teacher Quality, Supplemental Services, Public School Choice, Transferability, Reading First, 21st Century Community Learning Centers, Technology, and English Language Acquisition Programs.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Reading First and Early Reading First

Approximately $412 million in funding has been distributed to date to 20 states to implement President Bush's Reading First program this school year. Grants have been awarded to Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Iowa, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Utah, and Washington.

States receiving Reading First grants make competitive subgrants to local school districts. Local school districts then use screening and diagnostic assessments to determine which students in grades K-3 are at risk of reading failure, and provide professional development for K-3 teachers in the essential components of reading instruction.

School districts will use Early Reading First grants to support scientifically-based strategies to improve pre-reading skills of children in early childhood development programs through a strong focus on developing verbal skills, phonological awareness, and letter knowledge.

President Bush will continue his commitment to reading programs by requesting an additional $75 million over last year's budget in his 2004 budget proposal, bringing the total funding to over $1.1 billion.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Funding

The federal government is providing far more money than ever before to help states and local school districts implement the No Child Left Behind Act, including more than $22 billion in this school year alone. From 2000 to 2002, funding for elementary and secondary education programs increased by 49%.

President Bush is continuing his commitment to carrying out these reforms by requesting an additional $1 billion for Title I in the 2004 budget, a total request of $12.35 billion for 2004.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Public School Choice and Supplemental Services

States have implemented the public school choice provisions of the Act to allow parents of students in low-performing schools to transfer to a better public school.

States have identified supplemental service providers to provide after-school instruction and tutoring to students enrolled in schools in need of improvement. States have provided real options this school year to parents with children in low-performing schools to ensure that these students receive the help they need.'

Taste Death. Live Life.
 
why do you say 2000??? its 2003 you know...and in 2000 we had just gotten a new president bud. bush is all about education my son.

Taste Death. Live Life.
 
I'm no expert on the education record of this administration, but by going by EPA press releases you would guess this guy has been our greatest environmental president yet. press releases mean shit; it's just propaganda from one side.

 
required reading for this thread: George Orwell, 'Politics and the English Language'

'This one goes out to all the virgins...thanks for nothing!!' -- Miles D.

I ski for Head.
 
everyhting is just propaganda from one side

------------------------------------------------------------------------------'I am now a moderator... and all I had to do was suck harveys cock' -Ductapeboy
 
ya.. i dunno where those came from, but i hope u exercise some media literacy when reading them. politics and the english language is a damn good essay that every high school student should be forced to study.

 
Well thats kinnda what you get for bringing black people over and opening your boarders to millions of poor brown people.

 
There is something wrong with America that has never before appeared in history. A praisable paper on it is today's philospher's stone. That is, the very problem inhibits those who were raised in it to identify its malfuction. The Liberals (me, and everybody who's anti-administration right now) know of it, but not enough information about it to produce a presentable hypothosis. The Conservatives (SUpilot) stick to their rational, if not unemotionally mathimatically sound sense of security found in the rightousness of what we find our society doing.

If that make any sense, please say so, because its so very late and thats either the most brilliant thing I've ever written or its absolute psuedo-intellect-Ineedacausetodedicatemylifeto philo-babble-BULLSHIT! Please tell me. And good night to all ya'll.

''...if one was so inclined.''

----------------------------------------

''damn it TAK, you ruined everything''

-witchbaby666

----------------------------------------

''Potatoe'' -Dan Quayle

''patatoe'' -NS member

 
its absolute psuedo-intellect-Ineedacausetodedicatemylifeto philo-babble-BULLSHIT!

oh and its the liberals who dont realize how crappy the current welfare system is.

'You never hear Newt Gingrich say: Now why dont these hos just back up off me. I mean let a player play'
 
what pisses me off is that even poor people can go to college now

~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-

'i jerk off so much that when i have sex with my girlfriend it feels like im cheating on my dick'

so what are your likes and dislikes?

'well i like burning things...and i dislike things that dont burn'
 
Back
Top