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Antarctic Sea Ice Hits Record ... High?

574037.jpegSea ice extent around Antarctica on September 26. Yellow line shows median September sea ice extent from 1979 to 2000.

Illustration courtesy Jesse Allen, EO/NASA/NSIDC

Daniel Stone

National Geographic News

Published October 13, 2012

Despite frequent headlines about a warming planet, melting sea ice, and rising oceans, climate analysts pointed to a seeming bright spot this week: During Southern Hemisphere winters, sea ice in the Antarctic, the floating chunks of frozen ocean water, is actually increasing.

In fact, in late September, satellite data indicated that Antarctica was surrounded by the greatest area of sea ice ever recorded in the region: 7.51 million square miles (19.44 million square kilometers), the U.S. National Snow and Ice Data Center announced Thursday. Even so, it's a slow rate of growth—about one percent over last year—not nearly enough to offset melting in the Arctic, which broke records just weeks ago.

National Geographic asked Eric Rignot, a NASA researcher and earth systems professor at UC Irvine, whether the data is good news, and what it means for the rise of global sea levels, which are fueled by melting ice.

This Antarctic record seems counter to what we often hear about sea ice shrinking. How can we explain growing sea ice?

If the world was warming up uniformly, you would expect the sea ice cover to decrease in the Antarctic, but it's not. The reason for that is because the Antarctic is cooler than the rest of the world. It's warming up as well but not as fast as other places.

So you have the warming world and a cold Antarctica, and the difference between the two is increasing. That makes the winds around Antarctica move a little bit faster. There's also a difference that comes from the depletion of ozonein the stratosphere in the Antarctic, which makes the stratosphere colder.

That's the leading explanation for what we're seeing in the Antarctic, but you have to acknowledge that the effect is very small.

How does this news relate to other studies showing that the melting of Antarctic continental[/i] ice is contributing to a rise in sea level?

[Growing sea ice] has no effect whatsoever on sea level, because sea ice is already floating on the ocean. It does not displace sea level. It's frozen seawater, so whether it's frozen or liquid, it doesn't change the sea level.

While Arctic sea ice is decreasing, the Antarctic is now slightly increasing. Why is there so much variation between Arctic and Antarctic ice?

Well we have a continent on the South Pole. On the North Pole we have nothing but ocean. In the Arctic you see full-fledged warming of the atmosphere and the ocean, plus increased ice transport [out of the region, which removes cold air and water]. So all of these effects contribute to reduce the sea ice cover in the Arctic.

In the Antarctic, you have to think of it as its own climate system. It's a big continent isolated from the rest of the world. It has ocean all around it. It has wind regimes that blow clockwise around it and isolate it. It acts differently from the Arctic, which is completely connected to the rest of the North Hemisphere.

Considering we regularly hear about the planet's stressed climate system, is this good news?

Really, it's consistent with our understanding of a warming world. Some of the regional details are not something we can easily predict. But the general trends of decay of the sea ice cover and decay of the Greenland ice sheets and ice caps is in line with what we expect.

The Antarctic has not been warming up as fast as the models thought. It's warming up, but slower. So it's all consistent with a warming planet.

 
didn't read but my thoughts even if pollution doesn't cause global warming its still pollution and should be stopped. my 0.02
 
Just picking one random moment in time (in this case the present) cannot be used as a proxy for determining the existence of a warming trend. It's one year. People need to get over these "OMG it snowed a shit ton this winter global warmings a hoax!!!" or "Hottest summer on record it's global warming we're all gonna die!!!" claims.

If you look at a much longer trend the climate is warming. Period.
 
In all seriousness though. Of course Global warming is an issue, but It's not as serious as It's made out to be.
 
Thats why it is called global climate change, not everywhere is getting warmer, but the climate is shifting, which it has regularly done in the past. However now climate change is occurring at a much more rapid rate.
 
Global Warming is real but it is a natural cycle that the Earth has experienced before. We have accelerated this cycle. It is not as bad as Al Gore has made it seem but it's not good either.
 
who ever said global warming isn't that big of deal, it is, rise of 1+ degree can seriously throw lots of ecological factors we've had record temps in the last 14 years hit us which isn't just a coincidence, these warming temperatures can exhibit earlier hatchings of bugs while non-migratory birds rely on these insects to feed young can be delayed as much of two weeks and them insects will already well within their life cycles not helping the bird populations meet their off springs needs for sustenance. we are able to track these temperture fluctuations through obvious ice cores, and even tree ring growth data which i have been involved in personally in Bristle cone pine trees.
 
Very important part of the article. This finding does not disprove the premise that humans contribute to climate change. Anyone who disagrees should read the entire article.
 
Its called climate change. We should be worried about the amount of ice loss in the north pole . Who cares if the Antarctic's ice pack is increasing. All the ice that has been lost in the north pole used to help reflect sun rays back into space. With out that ice the earth is going to be warming up faster.

Just because one part of the world is cooling or gaining ice does not mean that the earth has stopped warming. The Earth's average temperature as a whole has been on a warming trend and still. Is. Lol at the people who say, "Oh its snowing in Texas that makes global warming fake and made up. Fuck nasa and 90+ percent of all the other climatologists. My priest knows better than these dumb scientists trying to take down our religion."

Its been proven that greenhouse gasses produced by man will impact how the energy form the sun will escape from earth. Which impacts the weather patterns that we observe. I wish global warming didn't become political. Clearly people are not ready to step into reality and handle the fact that we are causing harm to our planet.

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I'm probably one of the most hated people in some circles because of my opinion on this subject.

There's nothing I can do, and it's not my generation that's going to be completely fucked over, so I could care the fuck less about global warming.
 
so instead of letting mother nature change as she always does we will spray our atmosphere with chemicals to form clouds and cool our planet from the sun

shut your face
 
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Also global warming is real.
 
What's that? Global warming is being proved to be a bullshit issue? Quick, change the name to climate change! There, we're all gonna die again. Now we can keep collecting illegitimate data and say it means whatever fits our current needs.
 
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Although I agree that pollution and deforestation are ravaging Earth, the whole carbon emissions scare is totally fucking ludicrous. Al Gore only used "Global Warming" to stay relevant. Not a bad idea seeing as he's made millions off of it..
 
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Humans can do very little in the long run to the earth we are ants. However in the short run humans can make it so we won't be able to ski at taos in 50 years and we flood florida. Also Global Warming is less of a save the planet issue then it is a save humanity if stuff keeps going like it is we will starve ourselves to a population crash because of global warming and population groth.
 
i hate to even post in threads like this but i just hate to think that impressionable young people could read some of these posts and actually believe some of it....

ignorance of climate change is a very impressive feat of PR. but there's a reason that one side has to rely on comments like "but, CLIMATEGATE!" (fyi, that ended up being a non-event)

i worked in an international science organization until this summer, and let's just say that in the scientific/academic community (you know, the people that actually have to back up the things they say with evidence, over and over and over), if you tried to spew any of this shit that gets said by "conservatives" denying climate change, you'd get laughed out of the fucking room, end of story

but don't take my word for it.... if youre unsure or on the fence, go do your homework: go read real scientific papers and see why anybody who gives a shit about real information realizes that this is a serious issue
 
Im sure you were forced to watch the Inconvenient Truth in your 6th grade science class last year and that is the extent of your exposure to environmental science, don't worry you just have to finish high school and then you never have to think about science again while you work at McDonalds.
 
Although you're correct that that's the only way to get people to watch that cartoon, I didn't smoke enough kush to earn a position with the intellects about important things like a sandwich made of cheddar fries. Thats a fairly good insult for a 9th grader though, I'll recommend you get a good grade.
 
first off its global climate change. and yes the earth goes through hot and cold cycles, but at the rate its currently going its unnatural. some places are too cold and some too warm, lack and abundance of rain in certain places, bigger more frequent hurricanes. it's pretty hard to argue against global climate change
 
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