Gay marrige ban vote

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Damn, funny how the deeper south you get, the higher the yes for the ban on same sex marriage. Example: Mississippi yes: 85%

Oregon yes:49%

these numbers will probibly chance a little, but its kinda funny.

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Didn't mean south as in Geographically, but redneck, and farmers ect.

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'i didnt really insult him, i just called him a fucken idiot' -Lateralis
 
I would have voted yes

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'i didnt really insult him, i just called him a fucken idiot' -Lateralis
 
I voted yes ... it's just ... not natural. I still refuse to believe that people are born homophiles, until science finds the 'gay gene,' I will stick to that

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why? do you really want to make two people getting married illegal? does it make you uncomfortable? at least give some justification for your idiocy.

.CCR.

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depends on where those faggot bible niggers are,.

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yes, it does possibly disturb me a little. I personally am not a big fan of governement recognizing marriage at all. I think marriage is a religious establishment and should therefore be separate from government policies, i.e. tax breaks. I'm not anti-gay, I now some bi-sexual girls ... which yes I don't mind being sexually open. But I feel allowing that marriage to be regonized as valid is a concession that homophilia is natural, when it is no more natural than any of the other philias ... just not destructive as some of them ... i.e. pedophilia, which is banned from law. Can't go marrying a ten year old or something like that can ya?

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It wasn't on the Colorado ballot.

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^many states didn't have it on theirs, I think

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'i didnt really insult him, i just called him a fucken idiot' -Lateralis
 
Yeah, its actually not much of an issue in many states.

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but what i can't get my head around is how you believe that homosexuality is a concious choice that one makes. did you ever make the concious decision to be a heterosexual? i doubt it. it is no different for homosexuals. they are born attracted to the same sex, just as you were born attracted to the opposite. the only reason that it sometimes takes years for them to admit their sexuality to both themselves and others is because they are outnumbered, and because society dictates that it is not normal, and possibly in the States, illegal (to be bound legally as a couple, that is).

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shut up you are one of the least intelligent people ever, i dont even want to go into that....anyway whats wrong w/ montana voting yes t-bird, i dont understand

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Nothing is really wrong with it. It is the way it was expected to go anyway. It's just not the side I support.

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This is why I am fearful for our future. How can you people stand around and designate homsexuals as second class citizens. The government has no place regulating a religous ceremony. The idea that gays do not deserve the same rights as the rest of us is rediculous. Let me break it down for those who believe that it should be illegal strictly on the basis of religious values. I trust that most of you are christian. Jesus teaches us that god created us all as equals. Would Jesus have been in the protesting crowds calling gays sinners, proclaiming that they are going to go to hell? No he would not, this is why your theory is fundamentally flawed. I am interested in the reason why you guys feel that you deserve the over 1100 rights guranteed by the government through marraige, while someone who God views as an equal does not deserve these rights. Noone on this board has offered an idea that I could not just go look on the RNC website and utter verbatim like you. I believe you people are what will be the end of America as the superpower. As soon as you stop having convictions for YOUR personal ideals you stop thiking. You have no original ideas, you are sheep following your shepperd, George Bush. Please get some unique ideas. What is wrong with you guys?

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^So you feel that the idea of treating homosexuality as a sin, and those that partake as sinners is a new idea? Do you believe that some of us just believe that gays don't deserve the same rights as a heterosexual couple is just programmed into us by the government? Because conversely I believe thse that belive that gays are on par with hetero people are programmed by todays liberal media, entertainment industry, and what is being cemented in college students by liberal professors. If you think about it objectivly, which is impossible, I doubt you'd be able to justify that behavior as, right, along with heterosexuality.

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I don't believe homosexuality is an actual thing, I do beleive that it is a philia. But it is not proven by science to be real. I don't treat them like second class citizens, no one is denying them rights. People into beastiality can't marry dogs ... are we denying them rights? No. If science can prove that a man can only be sexual with another man, depsite all our genetic programming to reproduce at all costs, then homophilia will remain a sexual practice, not an inborn disposition.

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thank you...and tbird i know i saw that i think its a bit odd too, but w/e and no i wasnt calling you stupid its all good, at this point i'm past caring

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'I don't believe homosexuality is an actual thing, I do beleive that it is a philia. But it is not proven by science to be real.'

I'm sorry, I don't really understand how you don't think that homosexuality can be 'real.' Men have been sexually attracted to men, and women to women, for as long as men and women have been around. How is that not 'real'?

I don't treat them like second class citizens, no one is denying them rights. People into beastiality can't marry dogs ... are we denying them rights? No.

Dude, let's look at this seriously and without misleading comparisons. When you write into your state constitution that one person may marry based on their sexual preference, and another person may not marry based on their sexual preference, that is a denial of rights. Marriage is a legal status which grants the individuals involved certain new priviledges; to deny those priviledges based upon sexual preference is unconstitutional and immoral.

Furthermore, comparing human homosexuality to bestiality is ridiculous; a human homosexual relationship takes place between just that- humans, not between a human and an animal. A dog doesn't have a legal 'right' to marriage in the first place. Are you attempting to compare homosexuals to animals?

If science can prove that a man can only be sexual with another man, depsite all our genetic programming to reproduce at all costs, then homophilia will remain a sexual practice, not an inborn disposition.'

Your argument is incoherent, I don't understand what you're saying. Science has nothing to do with it. Are you trying to argue that humans 'weren't made' for homosexual activity? Or are you trying to argue that sex is in and of itself a purely reproductive act? If you aren't arguing the latter, would you concede that humans find some kind of joy in lovemaking, that maybe there's something transcendental about the union of two bodies? If we make it that far, is it time to start discriminating between which bodies are allowed to be involved?

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I voted against it here in utah, not because I agree with gay marriage, but I thought that the amendment was poorly written and is an invitation for lawsuits in the forseeable future. My vote lost though.

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yes, I'm saying that humans aren't made for same gender sex. Yes sexual acts are as much for pleasure as for reproduction. But no, a homosexual relationship is not natural and thus should not be recognized as natural by the government. Not to mention that if people are allowed to marry people of the same sex, then where does it end? People will definitely dispute the law as it stands. Trouble will arise, if two people who are in love are allowed to marry, be it two men or two women; why not a 12 year old and a thirty year old of opposite gender. Surely that will seem more natural in peoples eyes.

Allowing same-sex marriages will be seen as a concession that sexual behavior out of the norm is condoned by the govenrment. Not that they should be against it, but they should not blatantly condone it.

I as much as anyone understand the ins and outs (no pun intended) of homophilia and the likes.

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I would have voted in support of the ban, dang colorado...oh well Amendment 36 got shot down so I'm happy. stupid brazilian people and their lawyers, you watch..they are going to take over the world. their lawyers are crafty ones

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^Clearly you don't, if you're defining it arbitrarily as unnatural. I used the search bar earlier when there was a long thread ont his and things have already been posted that answer pretty much every argument anyone has made here. For example.

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2004-06-22 23:51:45

Homosexuality is unnatural? Then... What is natural?

1. Part of existence; contrast between the natural and the supernatural

-Moral and immoral acts are natural. The natural world excluding humanity. In this case, Homosexuality is unnatural, but so is the alternative.

2. That which is Normal

Leads to mean commonly accepted, which doesn't mean 'right' or 'moral'. Also, homosexuals aren't the majority, but are common throughout history.

3. Having to do with the physical world

-Pertains to the distinction between the physical and the mental. Not particularly relevant

4. Present or existing from birth

-ie: natural hair colour. Evidence states that this is the case with homosexuality.

5. That which works

-Pragmatic definition; does it function. Procreation comes into play. However, by this token, sex must be unnatural in any way that does not produce children. Procreation is not the only function of sex. If pleasure is justifiable, then it should be so in all cases

6. That towards which we are inclined

-Not relevant, we are inclined towards both moral and immoral acts

7. Conformity with the laws of nature

-No laws of nature are broken through homosexuality, but the same is true of all immoral acts; therefore not relevant. For you geniuses out there that want to argue with this, laws of nature refers to things like the law of gravity.

 
blah blah, philosophy. Until you've been through it ... don't preach to me

I was born, a six gun in my hand...they call me Bad Company

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Been through what now? That thing I posted sounded pretty logical to me. There's no way anyone can make the claim that it's unnatural without A) Being God or B) Being flat out wrong... that seems pretty evident.

 
well from a philisophical standpoint it did seem logical. But being student of the sciences, I'm more of a realist (although philosophy is an interest of mine), so from where it stands it would appear to be natural for a creature to want to propogate its species. From that you can understand that the only way to propogate is through reproduction. Don't we all agree that it would be rather counterproductive to reproduction if we were born attracted to members of the same sex. By attracted I mean attracted as a mate, not for a one night stand ... which I do encourage all good looking girls to look into ... one nights stands with other women j/k.

But lets just say I've seen both worlds ... and I'll leave it at that.

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We're the dream warriors! Don't wanna dream no more!--Dokken
 
Oh my god. Ignorance reigns supreme. This is ridiculous. Two guys marry in California, how does it effect you? How are you changed by the fact that these two guy are in love and now have a decleration of thier commitment. Please, this is ridiculous, its as bad as racism in my opinion, let people do what they want as long as it isnt harming people who are uninvolved.

In BC, hundreds of gay couples have married. How has it changed my life? Not in the least. Have I even met any of them? No. Do they influence my life? No. Do I feel threatened by the knowledge they exist? No. What bearing do they have on myself as an uninvolved individual. None. Stop worrying about who's marrying who, and concentrate on making a real difference in your OWN life.

 
I urge you to reread that list... because what you're suggesting implies that it would be unnatural for two people who are sterile to be attracted to each other. Science only goes so far, as all the anti-evolutionists here will no doubt tell you.

 
people sometimes have these things called principles, or values, or beliefs, call em what you want... but the argument of 'how does it effect you?' doesnt really hold up.

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I'm not saying it affects my life, its a personal belief of mine that it is homophilia, not homosexuality and people need to understand that. That's all.

I was born, a six gun in my hand...they call me Bad Company

We're the dream warriors! Don't wanna dream no more!--Dokken
 
First off, the only people that will see pedophilia as 'more natural' if gay marriage is allowed are stupid people- homosexuality and pedophilia have absolutely nothing in common except that many people choose to categorize them as 'not normal.' Pedophilia is illegal, and should be. But like I said, there's no 'slippery slope' when it comes to recognizing a person's rights and then recognizing the right of an adult to sexually abuse a minor. Drawing parallels like this is senseless even more so because pedophilia is manifest in both hetero and homosexuality, as is, for another example, rape.

Secondly, the entire argument of whether homosexuality is 'natural' or not is a very, very shaky platform. Is there one codified way that every human should follow? Yes, only sex between a man and a woman may produce a child; one may safely assume that this is 'natural.' But, as I said earlier, homosexuality has been around for as long as heterosexuality has been around, so what determines what is 'natural' and what is not? Do we really have any right to determine what's natural and what's not?

Furthermore, even is something IS unnatural, is it just to ban said thing in a state constitution? This debate will still be going on a hundred years from now, because homosexuals won't simply disappear at the blink of an eye or the casting of a ballot. That said, are the rights of homosexuals something we're simply going to ignore until they go away?

Shit though, I'm tired of playing the defensive. If I may, I'll take the offensive for a minute. Realistically, what effect do you think that allowing gay marriage (or even just not banning it) will have on the American perception of sexuality and marriage? If two women are married somewhere in California, does that somehow invalidate your own heterosexual marriage? Are you and people you know really more likely to accept problems like pedophilia, only because gay marriage is legal?

It appears that the basis of our conflicting beliefs is in whether or not allowing homosexual marriage is a slippery slope that will lead to mainstream acceptance of other less acceptable acts. But that's not really true at all, because what you're really arguing is that mainstream acceptance of HOMOSEXUALITY is what will lead us to that slippery slope. Marriage or no marriage, the root of your argument is that allowing two men or two women to do 'that' will make it okay for people to fuck babies. Think about it.

Wayne: 'I don't own a gun, let alone many guns that would necessitate the use of a rack. What am I going to do... with a gun rack?'
 
Hey, morals are a different story. I might not agree, but whatever. The point was that it's rather ignorant to call homosexuality unnatural when there's no consistent way to support that claim. If you'd rather say it's morally wrong... well, use the search feature. I did, it worked out nicely.

 
Shit, I got one more!

Wayne: 'I don't own a gun, let alone many guns that would necessitate the use of a rack. What am I going to do... with a gun rack?'
 
'Don't we all agree that it would be rather counterproductive to reproduction if we were born attracted to members of the same sex.'

I don't agree. I agree that it would be counterproductive to reproduction if we were ALL born attracted to members of the same sex. However, that's not the case, is it?

Wayne: 'I don't own a gun, let alone many guns that would necessitate the use of a rack. What am I going to do... with a gun rack?'
 
'How does it effect you' sure does hold up, its like us saying 'I think its wrong for snowboarders to ride switch, and I am going to vote to disallow them from doing so.' Its something that doesn't effect you, but you want to stop them from doing it.

 
^Not to play devil's advocate... well actually, that's exactly what I'm doing... anyways, the point is, they could just as easily say it's more like saying 'I don't think people in California should be able to torture children, even though I live in NYC and it doesn't affect me', then voting on it.

 
I have one position on this and one only, and I will only debate disagreements to this: Allowing gay marriage is a concession by society, that humans can be born with genetic dispositions to only be sexually attracted to the same sex.

There, I hope I worded that as I mean to.

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We're the dream warriors! Don't wanna dream no more!--Dokken
 
Line101 - I see the point you are trying to make, but in the example you just provided, one of the parties it DOES effect is not consenting. That is physical harm where a innocent person is hurt that is completely different.

 
so oregon passed legislation as well...

Mercy's eyes are blue

When she places them in front of you

Nothing holds a roman candle to

The solemn warmth you feel inside

 
Ok, couple things for both sides to think on.

First, is Gay marriage really a threat to the American Family? I mean, are most kids in rehab right now there because they had gay parents? No. Most distraught kids are from divorced families. Gay marriage isnt a threat to the American family, the threat to the American family is divorce.

Second, I see what some people are saying about homosexuality being a sin. Its fine if you believe that, but I would like to also remind you that while Christian beliefs are somewhat incorporated into US law (hence 'under God') there is still a line between church and state. Some religions dont believe it is a sin, just like some people dont believe it is.

Third, the argument that is brought up the most, is that Homosexuals make others feel uncomfortable. Ok, I dont know about you, but I would be more uncomfortable sitting in a room with some of the people that work at Dairy Queen than I would be in a room full of gay guys. People are just uncomfortable with it because it is never discussed, and you dont know how to deal with it. My advice is to deal with it, it exists, and people who are homosexual arent any less human than you are.

And one last thing. If you are uncomfortable with gays because they have sex, buy any porn video nowadays and I can almost garuntee that there will be at least some anal sex in it. Some guys like that, so should we ban this too?

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not a lot more needs to be said. I think many americans forget that they live in a multicultural soceitey and that not everybody is a christian.

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Actually, Artistformerlyknownas, I'm going to take on that statement, too.

'Allowing gay marriage is a concession by society, that humans can be born with genetic dispositions to only be sexually attracted to the same sex.'

Again, I don't agree. I don't care how someone 'gets gay;' I don't care whether it's genetic or whether it's choice, because in the end, I don't think it matters. A person's sexuality is a person's sexuality, and a homosexual has as much right to her or his sexuality as anyone else, irregardless of how that sexuality comes about. Acknowledging gay marriages isn't about deciding what homosexuality is; it's about recognizing the inherent worth and dignity of every person.

Wayne: 'I don't own a gun, let alone many guns that would necessitate the use of a rack. What am I going to do... with a gun rack?'
 
Well said.

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