gay marriages

yeah its supposed to be? open your history text book and read about the beliefs and ideals our founding fathers build this nation upon. marriage is for a man and a woman. if people of the same sex want to be lovers then fine, but marriage is not for them. i'm not saying i agree or disagree with that i'm just saying thats the way it is. it doesnt mean we are discriminating, it just means its pointless for people to get married if they are not capable of creating offspring. those are the traditional beliefs of our society and all agendas are based on that ideal.

Oh, please do lower your speech to my humble level, oh great and intellectual one, for I am unworthy to bear witness to the truths you speak! Since I am clearly your inferior, you must write in very lowbrow terms or I'll never understand. --JD May
 
SUpilot is on the best track of anybody so far in this topic. Gays simply have no reason to marry at all. If you and your gay partner get married then what is made of that besides the fact that you would get tax breaks and other benefits. Absolutely nothing. Your essentially taking away from the economy if do this, plus there are zero positive outcomes to a gay marriage, and don't even think about saying that two gay people are unified as an outcome. Its not a right for christ sake. Its a scam and all this bullshit buzz has people thinking that gay people are being denied a right they should be guaranteed. Its all bullshit. Look up marriage in the dictionary, you will find: mar.riage n. - the legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife. The issue shouldn't even have to deal with equality because there is nothing unequal about it, marriage is simply reserved to man and woman, heterosexually. If you really think about it, you are taking away a right of heterosexual couples, their right to wed, and if any marriage is allowed regardless of its sexuality then that right is lost. Plus it gets annoying when all these gay rights activists compare this issue to post-civil war issues about not allowing interracial marriages. 'Laws forbidding interracial marriage are about racism, laws protecting traditional marriage (man&woman) are about children.

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how does allowing gay couples to marry take away the rights of heterosexuals to wed? that makes absolutely no sense. And there are reasons for gay couples to marry, as i said, to have a chance to benefit from the same financial breaks that heterosexual couples do. You can't just keep saying that in the past marriage has been defined as a union between a man and a woman, so that's the way it will always be. society is always changing, so the laws need to change as well to better fit the needs of society. By society, i don't mean the homophobic, ultra-conservative people who are afraid and closed-minded to any sort of political or social change. The fact is, gay people are a part of the population, and they always will be from now on, deal with it. As long as they are regognized as citizens, they are entitled to EVERY SINGLE benefit that straight people can enjoy.

'hey look guys! For a dollar you can get a free condom!'

- a friend when she saw the condom dispenser in the bathroom
 
^its a bigger tax, but remember you have a combined income.

'they are entitled to EVERY SINGLE benefit that straight people can enjoy.'

--they arent entitled to the benefit of getting their lover pregnant like straight people are. i'm sure there are others too.

Oh, please do lower your speech to my humble level, oh great and intellectual one, for I am unworthy to bear witness to the truths you speak! Since I am clearly your inferior, you must write in very lowbrow terms or I'll never understand. --JD May
 
so by your logic, the only reason to get married is to reproduce. so then a straight couple who can't have kids becasue of medical reasons shouldn't be alowed to marry either?

'hey look guys! For a dollar you can get a free condom!'

- a friend when she saw the condom dispenser in the bathroom
 
now your speaking for me...thats not nice.

Oh, please do lower your speech to my humble level, oh great and intellectual one, for I am unworthy to bear witness to the truths you speak! Since I am clearly your inferior, you must write in very lowbrow terms or I'll never understand. --JD May
 
direct quote:

'it doesn't mean we are discriminating, it just means it's pointless for people to get married if they are not capable of creating offspring'

but hey, i could have misinterpreted it

'hey look guys! For a dollar you can get a free condom!'

- a friend when she saw the condom dispenser in the bathroom
 
oh grrl...

proper quotation would be:

'...it doesn't mean we are discriminating, it just means it's pointless for people to get married if they are not capable of creating offspring...'

i said i was neither yay or nay on the topic hun bun. i'm just stating what the current agenda is given our current status and background/political foundation.

Oh, please do lower your speech to my humble level, oh great and intellectual one, for I am unworthy to bear witness to the truths you speak! Since I am clearly your inferior, you must write in very lowbrow terms or I'll never understand. --JD May
 
ok, so our current status and background/political foundation is one that includes gays. in the past it hasb't been an issue because gays today are alot more open about it, and are tired of being looked on as second class citizens because of it. as i said before, to have a fair and just legal system, it needs to change with the demographics of our society changes.

'hey look guys! For a dollar you can get a free condom!'

- a friend when she saw the condom dispenser in the bathroom
 
hey your preaching to the choir...

have you seen some of the crazy stuff that has happened as a result of some governors allowing marriages? since marriage isnt supposed to be between a man and woman anymore they are marrying dogs, cats, innate objects, their parents...shit is just messed up.

Oh, please do lower your speech to my humble level, oh great and intellectual one, for I am unworthy to bear witness to the truths you speak! Since I am clearly your inferior, you must write in very lowbrow terms or I'll never understand. --JD May
 
atlantaski you are a dope. other than that, we have schools that cant afford to pay teachers, nobody can find a steady job, we're spending 87 billion dollars to fun iraq, and you want to call gay marriage an issue in this country? its not about gay people being 'fags' its about tax deductions, child support, social security, and hospital visitation rights. all you homophobes, why are you so afraid of gay people?

 
Personally,i don't give a shit.Gays can do whatever they want,can't they?

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I changed my sig because someone thought it was too long,so that makes it a shorter sig,doesn't it?Maybe i should make it longer,maybe not,but who gives a fuck?Certainly not me,neither your mom,I like trees,because they grow apples,and I like apples as much as i like weed.

My conclusion is that we should all put some seeds under the ground in some hot country(like mine,where the heat is too hot to move 3 feet away from the swimming pool)and just let it grow,because when i get old i wanna get stoned,but in order to get high i need to improvise some techniques for the growth of pot.
 
The gay marriage debate shouldn't have anything to do with taxes breaks, or the ablitly (or lack thereof) to have kids, It's about being able to show that you love someone.

 
Gay marriages are complete bull. People go on and on about how it's discriminating or whatever however the population of gay people isn't a race like blacks or asians. I could ramble on and on about this but I'm not going to and SUpilot pretty much said it all.

'if being gay was a chemical imbalance, they would've made a pill to fix it already'

 
^ agreed. Marriage is for a man and woman. Not only that but could you imagine if they adopt children? Everyone always goes on about there needing to be a male and female influence on a child, how does that work with 2 dudes or 2 chicks? Not only that but that kid will eat some serious shit at school.

I'll smack you in the mouth, I'm Neil Diamond

Sex is a race and I always win...
 
^let me guess,you are cristians?

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I changed my sig because someone thought it was too long,so that makes it a shorter sig,doesn't it?Maybe i should make it longer,maybe not,but who gives a fuck?Certainly not me,neither your mom,I like trees,because they grow apples,and I like apples as much as i like weed.

My conclusion is that we should all put some seeds under the ground in some hot country(like mine,where the heat is too hot to move 3 feet away from the swimming pool)and just let it grow,because when i get old i wanna get stoned,but in order to get high i need to improvise some techniques for the growth of pot.
 
^not reall, my Dad's a jew, my Mom is Catholic. Go to church once a year... if ya wanna call that religious. Just not down with queer marriages, ain't right.

I'll smack you in the mouth, I'm Neil Diamond

Sex is a race and I always win...
 
ain't right for you.

I say let them do whatever they want.I know u might not like it,but hey,they don't like you jerking off every 3 hours either!

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I changed my sig because someone thought it was too long,so that makes it a shorter sig,doesn't it?Maybe i should make it longer,maybe not,but who gives a fuck?Certainly not me,neither your mom,I like trees,because they grow apples,and I like apples as much as i like weed.

My conclusion is that we should all put some seeds under the ground in some hot country(like mine,where the heat is too hot to move 3 feet away from the swimming pool)and just let it grow,because when i get old i wanna get stoned,but in order to get high i need to improvise some techniques for the growth of pot.
 
jerking off doesn't exactly relate to same-sex marriages too well. And besides, it's been man and woman since the beginning of history, why change it now? Why encourage so much radical change? Not to mention I think its wrong

-Caitlin-

Have nothing to do with stupid and senseless controversies; you know that they only breed quarrels. --2 Timothy 2:23
 
why not?Just because you guys think it's wrong?

Well,what the hell,forget about it.

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I changed my sig because someone thought it was too long,so that makes it a shorter sig,doesn't it?Maybe i should make it longer,maybe not,but who gives a fuck?Certainly not me,neither your mom,I like trees,because they grow apples,and I like apples as much as i like weed.

My conclusion is that we should all put some seeds under the ground in some hot country(like mine,where the heat is too hot to move 3 feet away from the swimming pool)and just let it grow,because when i get old i wanna get stoned,but in order to get high i need to improvise some techniques for the growth of pot.
 
no, because they have a completely unfounded opinion in the notion that homosexuality ''isnt natural''... the definition of ''natural'' being a somewhat multifaceted one, this just doesn't hold up. But how often can you convince a bigot he's wrong?

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''mad trix is a gay name. go with the k2's.'' -Linepunk

''Dude, Americans or Canadians didn't invent english, the British dudes did.'' -Chauncy

''Gay people are fags'' -Atlantaski

''dude i am literat i just cant spell worth shit u got prob with it bitch'' -Bridgerbowlskier

''Gay marriages are gay.'' -SUpilot

'if it werent for women, i wouldnt have to wear condoms' -Hucksterjibber
 
here's something interesting, in Canada, anal sex is illegal, be it between man and women, or man and man. Its a common law thing that was pbly overlooked or something. My theory is that it adds to a pediophilia sentence or something.

we shall call him gmlr
 
not really often,that i know

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I changed my sig because someone thought it was too long,so that makes it a shorter sig,doesn't it?Maybe i should make it longer,maybe not,but who gives a fuck?Certainly not me,neither your mom,I like trees,because they grow apples,and I like apples as much as i like weed.

My conclusion is that we should all put some seeds under the ground in some hot country(like mine,where the heat is too hot to move 3 feet away from the swimming pool)and just let it grow,because when i get old i wanna get stoned,but in order to get high i need to improvise some techniques for the growth of pot.
 
in texas being gay is illegal,so i heard

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I changed my sig because someone thought it was too long,so that makes it a shorter sig,doesn't it?Maybe i should make it longer,maybe not,but who gives a fuck?Certainly not me,neither your mom,I like trees,because they grow apples,and I like apples as much as i like weed.

My conclusion is that we should all put some seeds under the ground in some hot country(like mine,where the heat is too hot to move 3 feet away from the swimming pool)and just let it grow,because when i get old i wanna get stoned,but in order to get high i need to improvise some techniques for the growth of pot.
 
or being caught having sex with a man(if you're a man,)can put u in jail.

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I changed my sig because someone thought it was too long,so that makes it a shorter sig,doesn't it?Maybe i should make it longer,maybe not,but who gives a fuck?Certainly not me,neither your mom,I like trees,because they grow apples,and I like apples as much as i like weed.

My conclusion is that we should all put some seeds under the ground in some hot country(like mine,where the heat is too hot to move 3 feet away from the swimming pool)and just let it grow,because when i get old i wanna get stoned,but in order to get high i need to improvise some techniques for the growth of pot.
 
The spartans believed that the love between 2 men was the greatest love of all...and on another note: only like 15% of gay couples actually practice anal sex...73% of heterosexual couples either have tried or do on a regular basis.

and bushie is a complete fucking idiot...its as bad as hating black ppl for being black.

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and what's the percentage of men sucking their partner's dick?like...100%?

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I changed my sig because someone thought it was too long,so that makes it a shorter sig,doesn't it?Maybe i should make it longer,maybe not,but who gives a fuck?Certainly not me,neither your mom,I like trees,because they grow apples,and I like apples as much as i like weed.

My conclusion is that we should all put some seeds under the ground in some hot country(like mine,where the heat is too hot to move 3 feet away from the swimming pool)and just let it grow,because when i get old i wanna get stoned,but in order to get high i need to improvise some techniques for the growth of pot.
 
i dont care what people do on there own time it's still good i dont mind even tho it freaks me out thinking of me being gay lol let them get married .

Fighting The Power Since 1995.. LINE Skis
 
Bump. SEARCH FEATURE.

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In a haze

A stormy haze

I’ll be around

I’ll be loving you

Always

Always

Here I am

And I’ll take my time

Here I am

And I’ll wait in line

Always

Always...
 
wiat, can somebody tell me again why they don't want gay people to marry, other than that marige is between a man and a woman

'I place him in the category of a ski thief, and invite a thousand hell hounds to feast heartily on his genitals. May he burn in eternal hellfire.'

-J.D. May
 
Yes and here is why. Wait, actually sure they can marry, just dont let them adopt children. This has been touched on already in this thread, but I will further it. And try to keep an open mind, which some of you claim to be so good at in the first place.

I for one am not religious and can't say that I have anything against homosexuals as people. I, in fact, have an aunt that is of this orientation, and I do not think ill of her.

Since, in being Liberal, human rights is of a major issue. To me, herein lies the contradiction. If by giving a gay couple the right to marry, thus adopt, the right of the child to say whether or not they want two of the same gender parents is taken away. Yet, for many children, they are too young to even understand this when they get adopted. How is this fair to a child? Can you honestly say that you would choose two dads/moms over a mom and dad, or that if the choice was made for you, which in most cases it would be, it would not matter. Im confident that any child psychologist would tell you that a child grows up healthiest in a two parent, mom and dad family. Argue this if you must, but I'd call it indisputable. It seems that many of societies problems are already being blamed on children being improperly raised and loved. I really don't doubt that a same sex couple could love the child just as much if not more than a hetero couple. However, and it probably has to do with our biology, a child is raised best in a two parent, mom and dad family. And as already stated, to me, this is indisputable but you could always try.

So like I said, if marriage really is that important to homosexuals, then let em have it, or give it a different name, but the adoption of children is a right that I feel would be wrong to give.

Does this make me a homophobe? Well Im not scared of gay people sooo... maybe that word should be used with a little more caution and thought. Or are many of you marriphobes?

Oh yeah, two hotties getting it on is definetly hot.

signatures are for pussies

 
^Wow, I dont agree with a single thing you just said. Kids have no say in who there parent's are. Also, I think a kid who grows up with 2 dads or moms is going to recieve WAY more care and love than from your typical American family. Im even willing to say I would rather have gay parents, than having an asshole father who beats his wife and kids, puts them through all kinds of abuse and then ends up getting a divorce.

VIVA LA FRONTFLIP!
 
I'm not saying that that is your typical American family, but I am saying that a gay couple who wants a child has to have endless amounts of love for the kid, because of what it takes to get them. However, some alcoholic who abuses his wife/girlfriend, and ends up getting her pregnant, probably couldn't give 2 shits about the kid.

VIVA LA FRONTFLIP!
 
^good point, when a gay couple decides to adopt children, they will realize what type of stress it could put the child through, so they aren't going to do it unless they are fully prepared. They will realize that having gay parents might be a little akward for their child, but that will give them incentive to care even more for their child.

Marriage was between a man and woman, but that doesn't mean it still has to be. If two people have completely natural feelings for eachother (and yes, gay feelings are natural, don't be an ass and say they aren't), why shouldn't they be able to marry. Its about giving equal rights to everyone, not choosing who gets to do what.

'its not rape....its surprise sex. you wake up and SURPRISE you had sex with me haha' - huckster989

'Everyday the biased scum-of-the-earth imbecile that is Bill O'Reilly never ceases to amaze me with his overall idiocy and lack of grey cells between his ears.' - trevorwoulddoit
 
I'll reiterate and only because I want someone to answer it: What about the right of the child?

And yes, obviously an abusive/alcoholic father would be worse, and obviously that child had no choice as it was born into the family. Lets not try to throw in all these ifs and whatabouts. A homosexual couple could also be abusive and whatnot.

And as already said, you would be hard pressed to find a child psychologist or someone in that sort of field that would tell you that a two parent, mom and dad family is not the best way to raise a child.

signatures are for pussies

 
''And as already said, you would be hard pressed to find a child psychologist or someone in that sort of field that would tell you that a two parent, mom and dad family is not the best way to raise a child''

and if you did, they wouldn't be worth much as psychologists, because wild generalizations like that have no meaning whatever. You can't decide on a 'best way' to raise a child; it depends entirely on the circumstances and the people involved.

As for the rights of the child, they have no 'right' to decide who their parents are to be. That decision is made for them, homosexual or not, and if a same sex couple meets the guidelines for adoption as well as a mixed couple, then there's no reason to deny them a chance at raising a child.

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In a haze

A stormy haze

I’ll be around

I’ll be loving you

Always

Always

Here I am

And I’ll take my time

Here I am

And I’ll wait in line

Always

Always...
 
I knew you would come sooner or later. But are you agreeing with me?:

'...and if you did, they wouldn't be worth much as psychologists, because wild generalizations like that have no meaning whatever.'

I dont find it to be a WILD generalization, it just is. You might even call this one of your 'facts' obtained from research. It is, however, a generalization and I admitted to that. But the generalization stands. A child has the best chance of growing up healthy in a two parent, mom and dad family.

Again, you are right, that decision is made for them- in normal circumstances. But I ask you again, if it was up to you would you not rather have a mother and father rather than two fathers? After this it is beyond anyones real control of who and what that mother and father might be, but they are still a mother and father. Perhaps one of these guidelines that you speak of must be that the couple are infact heterosexual.

My point is hard to convey, but I find it hard to see how you cannot see that the right to adopt would also infringe on the rights of a child, who in general (definetly not always,) would have greater chances of a healthier upbringing if it were done in a traditional family.

I can see how you may feel that these views may reflect me as being a homophobe (a seemingly popular insult these days,) but I assure you I have no fear of homosexuals and their lifestyles. If it makes them happy, then go for it. Kinda like skiboarding.

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