Gay Marriage

If your girlfriend gets f'd up in a car wreck you can't go into the IC to see her, if she is your wife, you can. If you are gay and that happens (not married) you can't. Even if you have been with that person for like 10 years the state doesn't let you in. Most of the people are under age (of drinkin) on this site when you turn 18 you very well could go to war, but can't legally drink, how f'd up is that?

.at that point I started to cry...mainly 'cause I sat on my balls. I banged this chick so hard one time..she had to adjust her cant.
 
if you lived in a gay marraige banned state it would be the same

shants; theyre not quite shorts, but not quite pants

**NWFT**

 
anewmorning, your analogies are not relevant, and not adequate, they therefore are quite useless.

first, being gay is natural, it has been proven to occur in all species.

second, gay pepole are humans and have the rights of other humans. marrige is one of those rights in your country, it should extend to gays so they may have the same ability to speak for their spouse as straight coules do.

affirmative action has taken things to far it is true, like dropping the standards for female fire fighters, but many of the problems have been fixed.

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'it has been proven to occur in all species.'

Thats not true. It's for completely different reasons than human homosexuals. For example, Chimps have sex with other male chips, but those male chips still procreate with the female. There are no other species which have completely homosexual creature.

-Andy

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Actually, no you artist..., the gay gene theory falls apart for the causality of homosexuality because there is no way for it to be passed. As for the whole assexual heterosexual thing, have you ever heard of a bisexual? That destroys that theory.

People have been arrested not because of gay marriage, but because that they are gay or have homosexual tendancies. I'll be back with a link if it makes you happy.

Cuddle? You fag!
 
how are my anologies worthless? explain.

secondly, that wasnt even the main point of my last post. if you want to address the more 'realevant' part of what i had to say, then please do.

watch, i will use your method of disscussion:

boards, youre not backing up your statments, therefore they are quite useless, you ignorant bigot.

dont just say my statements are irrelevant, (because they arent) explain how the 'right' to marry (which, as it stands, is a 'right' that has some restrictions on it) and other restricted rights, such as the ones i mentioned, (student financial aid etc.) are so totally incompatible that they connot be compared. also, with the music analogy, i think you totally missed the point of it.

some people are born with the predisposition to be musicians. some are born with the predisposition to be good mathematicians. some people are born with the predisposition to be homosexual. these predispositions come in varying degrees, and if expounded on in life, they can become predominate. a friend of mine, who is in his third year of a neuroscience major explained it to me this way:

homosexuals do in fact have a brain anatomy that is a bit different than heterosexuals. a part of the brain (it may have been the amigdalah, the part of the brain that controls emotional memory among other things, but i cant quite remember) is enlarged in homosexuals. its also true that parts of the motor cortex are enlarged in high level pianists, and other parts of the brain are enlarged in people with other strong predispositions.

there are two reasons that these parts of the brain are different sizes in different people. the first reason is that they were born that way. the second reason is that they practice, and endulge that pre existing condidtion. this goes for someone who practices piano all day, or for someone who endulges their homosexual predisposition. the more you embrace the tendancy, the more it becomes entrenched.

so you see, when looked at this way, there really isnt that much difference between the two.

so if there were a homosexual lobby out there (and there is) that were to push for gay marrige, it would be along the same lines as a movment for mathematicians to be admitted to juliard. they could go to MIT, but they dont want to accept that.

what i am saying is that there ought to be civil unions, or some other tpype of way where committed homosexual partners can be privy to the rights that they are currently denied, but that does not mean that they should be entitled to marrige. marrige is defined...(key word here, DEFINED) as between a man and a woman. that is what it is. its the same as how my name is mark, or that the earth is comprised of dirt and rock. thats what it is.

so if you want to go further into my problem with the judiciary re defining things, then read my previous posts. i can tell that you (boards) didnt, as you didnt address the meat of what i said concerning this thing.

so please, boards, im not asking for your antipathy here, as you have seemed pretty anxious to push aside what i have said as worthless, or irrelevant, when you have added little to no new thought to this disscussion.

so if your going to try and disregard this, please address my points and refute them. (this is, however, not possible, because ive stated fact)

thank you.

Mercy's eyes are blue

When she places them in front of you

Nothing holds a roman candle to

The solemn warmth you feel inside

 
nice job anewmorning, i agree with you 100%

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yeah, its nice to see posts in which people know what theyre talking about. althoug i disagree with parts of it, like the definition of marraige, good job

shants; theyre not quite shorts, but not quite pants

**NWFT**

 
the earth is a physical object, marrige is an idea, a word, someone arbitrailily defined it, in the US and other countries) as between a man and a woman. ideas can be redefined, phyiscal objects remain the same, so once again your analogy is worthless.

it is very easy to change the wording of marrige, you can't change the makeup of the earth. its changing peoples' biasis that is tough.

also your juliard anaolgy has no bering on the argument. i don't need to explain why, as it is obvious, that argument is a fallacy.

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no, you need to explain why. it makes great sense to me, and i went to great lengths so that you could understand it.

otherwise im going to have to go ahead and just take up your line of reasoning.

ready, here is goes:

boards, youre wrong. your reasoning is irrelevant. im not going to explain why, because i dont want to.

Mercy's eyes are blue

When she places them in front of you

Nothing holds a roman candle to

The solemn warmth you feel inside

 
i agree with what boards is saying, marraige is a word, words can be changed, therefore changing peoples interpretation of the word.

the earth is made of rock, dirt, and magma. those are also words, but they are proven, factual words.

shants; theyre not quite shorts, but not quite pants

**NWFT**

 
anewmorning, i don't need to because it is a waste of my time. the fallacy of incomparable analogy will do the work for me. it does not follow.

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and discussing this with someone who is intent on nitpicking the variables of hypotheticals instead of addressing the content of the discussion is a waste of my time. i guess this is where we both agree that this is a waste of time.

Mercy's eyes are blue

When she places them in front of you

Nothing holds a roman candle to

The solemn warmth you feel inside

 
my dictionary defined marriage as being a 'Any intimate or close union.' and 'the state of being a married couple voluntarily joined for life (or until divorce)'

I believe marriage is a religious thing. Let me correct that, I believe marriage WAS a religious thing, like law was once based on religion aswel. The state made marriage a state concern and for that reason, I think gays should be allowd to marry. Ok, create a different phrase like 'civil-union' or whatever that has the same rights and benefits as marriage. Then you have two things that are pretty much the same thing except one has a priest in attendance, the other has a judge. Just call it all marriage and make things easier.

Something I don't know: do priests have to marry a couple if asked?

 
pointing out your analogies are worthless is not nitpicking, it is critisizing the valididty of your argument anewmorning.

and equality is across the board. since it is a state thing the church has loss all control over it. marrige should be allowed between gay and straight couples.

it is not a slippery slope, this will not open the door to inter species marrige, or over/underage marrige, it is simply taking note of the progressive times and making a change to enact equality.

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^ fuckers like you that were nazis in the day, cept against jews

shants; theyre not quite shorts, but not quite pants

**NWFT**

 
'Marriage' is a troublesome term... but since it originates in the Christian faith, the US government should not be thinking in terms of marriage. Our nation is built on the seperation of church and state, and should only be concerned with the idea of 'civil unions'. And if you think we should deny gay couples the same rights straight couples have with regard to receiving tax benefits, etc., then I would like you to give me a reason for your beliefs that doesn't involve religion (don't forget seperation of church and state).

I seriously find all you homophobic little shits disgusting... you throw around these bullshit phrases like 'I think it's wrong', as if the millions of gay people in the world should have their lives defined by the limits of your narrow minds. Fucking explain the reason behind the 'wrong' to me... it's not as if gay people are forcing you to watch them have sweaty ass sex, and the people who claim that gay civil unions are 'another step towards the destruction of our nation' or whatever are ridiculous.

I'm sorry for being harsh, but one of my best friends came out a few years ago, and it just makes me incredibly fucking angry to read stupid petty homophobic comments being thrown around like someone discussing the weather while his way of life hangs in the balance.

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The government can put a gun in my hands and send me to die in Iraq, but I can't buy a beer.

I fucking LOVE the USA.
 
SqueakyWaffle, you're right, the state should never have concerned itself with marriage. They have though and that would be hard to reverse. As a result, religious people shouldn't concern themselves with marriage being performed by gays. It's a word, marriage. Religious people can perform their union celebrations with a priest and a church etc. etc. Gays would prob. choose not to do so since religion is against their beliefs. It's not about who's getting 'married', it's about the actions. MArriage is just a word that certain tax breaks and benefits fall under in governemnt legeslation.

 
ban on gay marriage is obviously not right, simple enough, why the fuck do people care so much what a couple do in their own fucking home. Just another church condoned act of discrimination, sweet

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