Gay Marriage

In defense of Republicans (I cant believe I'm saying this), Prop 8 was mostly passed because the African American communities, specifically the black churches, got involved and came out to vote.
 
"Gays are ruining marriage! Now if you'll excuse me, I need to review my prenup before I legally marry this hooker in Vegas." -Bo Burnham on twitter 4 hours ago. Strangely relavent.
 
wrong video on my part. I grossly overestimated the amount they contributed but its still around $30 million dollars
 
I just don't understand how people find it necessary to impose their worldview on others. If you think homosexuality is immoral, that's fine, you have the right to feel that way. But what is the point of making people who believe differently have their lives defined by your personal belief system?
 
valid point. you're right... and people rather argue with other people about stupid stuff tehy know very little about. I am an example of this but at least I admit it.
 
One thing I wonder is whether people realize that this won't stop. Forget about whether you're for or against gay marriage, and see that this is something that will continue until gay people get it. it's not like at some point they'll just say "oh, well it looks like people are never gonna change their minds and we should stop trying to earn this right." Make this shit legal so we can focus on stuff that actually matters. All this is just time and money thrown down the shitter to try and delay the inevitable.
 
How is it even remotely rational to base the freedom of others on YOUR personal feelings about right versus wrong?

Is it also wrong for children to be raised by parents with religious beliefs that you disagree with?

If YOU decide that Islam is wrong, then should Muslims not be allowed to have children. "Then those children are raised in an environment that promotes (Islam) which is wrong. in my opinion."

^ fill in the parentheses with any label you choose and the statement is just as valid or, I should say, invalid.
 
Love you or not, perfect or not, your parents will be your first role models. I'm speaking of before an age where you can even cognitively choose a role model to look up to.
 
You really must be 12 or living under a rock.
I have seen some seriously fucked up "normal" families. Enough to know that what YOU think is good, pure and religiously intact is actually so fucked up it could use a good slap awake, or some good healthy competition from the gays as far as divorce rates. Not to mention how many people are actually gay as fuck but in a marriage because they're too chicken shit to be who they really are.
Let me expand that so you understand me better. I'll start easy and work my way up for the speshul among you.
Family #1). Got knocked up fucking around hammered out of wedlock, and got married to "legitimize" it. I call bullshit on your religious justification loophole. You're the same fuckin' adulterous heathens you'd be if you weren't married- and this is probably 1/4 of all married people who have a supposed "moral objection" to gay marriage based on its impurity.
Family #2. Male + female parents, both look fine from the outside, they go to church every Sunday. Inside, they're both alcoholics who abuse RX meds and abuse their kid verbally and sometimes physically i.e. shoving him around, calling him a piece of shit etc. The father is also cheating on the wife and shit is falling apart fast. Their kid is a fucking wreck btw.
Family #3. Male + female parents. Four kids. Both on disability/SS and collecting govt checks to sit around and sniff pills. Don't give a shit about what the kids are doing/ where they are. To them, it is a means to maintain their shitty lifestyle. All the kids are hoodlums.
These are just the tip of the iceberg and right off the top of my head. I could go on and on. The reason gays make great parents for the most part is because they're not just some stupid fucking breeders that knocked each other up partying and decided to get married to avoid embarassment, i.e.- them having a kid wouldn't be a mistake. They have to come to a decision that they are ready and willing to be parents, and that they have a plan for raising the kid which is probably 3/4 of the battle. Of the three kids I knew who had gay parents only one is gay, and none of them are bigoted douchebags. Straight parents seem to teach kids to pretend to be someone that the parents/society/religion believe they should be, whereas gay parents seem to be more encouraging to the children to follow their heart and do what they feel is right or makes them happy regardless of that society tells them, provided it's not illegal or dangerous.
Your logic is a perfect example to me of the logical progression we as a frightened, misinformed and defensively externalizing society must take. First it was blacks and women, now it's gays. When will we grow up and realize that it's not our choice to make for others, and what we feel to be morally right is often so convoluted that when we examine our own behaviors we find we're so full of shit it isn't even funny. Yes, gays are human beings just like you and me and deserve every right we afford stupid straight people without thinking about it twice. No, bigoted fucks like you should not be able to reach into others lives and tell them how to live. You'd rather keep a kid in foster care than have them in a family with same-sex parents??? I will have to deduct from that that you don't know any foster kids either. I find it so incredibly sad that you can sit in your "morally right" world and judge others based on what makes them happy rather than what makes them a good person.
 
Dude I don't necessarily disagree with ya at all, I think a gay couple could just as easily raise a good child as a straight couple and they should have the right. Honestly though, c'mon man those examples you posted could just as easily be applied to a homosexual couple aside from the shotgun wedding in example one. Also by definition I'm pretty sure you have to be married to become an adulterous heathen.

I could just as easily dream up a couple doomsday scenarios for gay couples that could happen too so I'm gonna go ahead and disregard all those examples you posted cause you seem to be focusing on the negative.

Regardless though I do agree with ya that they should have the option to adopt kids and show the "breeders" how to raise kids.

Is there some reason you are so biased on this topic?? I mean just using the term breeders kinda turns my stomach, as if its a bad things to wanna birth children??? You immediately assume that gay people wanting children already came to that conclusion logically and there is no way they are wrong, and they of course have a plan already how to raise a child well?? These are large assumptions I think on your part. Gay people can fuck up and be wrong just as easily as straight people, I mean if it's as you say and we're all human right??
 
that is actually EXTREMELY debatable.. There have been numerous studies that have shown that it is not genetic (and some that do) but to simply say "Yes, it is genetic" at this point isnt possible
 
I dare you to ask a real homosexual if they feel like they are attracted to the same sex naturally or if they just do it for shits and giggles. Have fun.
 
lol... did anyone else read this? are you serious? firstly, you're saying i'm wrong on a bunch of stuff I never said. Secondly and more importantly those examples made me lol cuz i can make the same situation up about gay couples... your argument is so far from valid that its funny. My opinion is that 2 dads don't raise a kid the proper way a mom and dad would so why don't you stick to that topic
 
i was gona troll this will some gay bashing not gona lie but in reality i dont care about peoples sexual preference like who the fuck cares if ure gay or straight it doesnt matter and i also am not feeling like getting banned
 
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I'm just just going to put this out here...

My best friend's parents got divorced, not in a lack of love, affairs, fights, etc, but rather that the physical attraction. His mom got into a relationship with an amazing woman who taught my friend everything about sports and the outdoors. His mom was an avid chef that worked in many restaurants and often got him working at an early age. These things are typically "masculine" things that, according to some members, are the father's job. Yet, he didn't learn this from his dad, but rather his mom's.

His dad grows and sells medical marijuana for a living (We live in Colorado). He is also a medical user. Most people would think that his dad would be a lazy pothead. But on the contrary, he is a man of religion, a businessman, and a scholar. My buddy has learned a lot of things from him, like art, music, and gardening; seemingly "feminine" things taught by a father.

To top this all off, a few years back his mom's partner died from a blood clot related issue. How did he feel? Like he lost his mom. Afterwards, he has been moving around constantly, 4 times in the past 3 years. His mom is now at nursing school in Denver. Because of this, he essentially lives with me and his dad, a 45 minutes difference in location.

Yet, what has become of him? He's a strong kid who does college classes at the age of 17. He is a musician. He is a hard worker. He is an incredible writer. He is an pretty good skier. He is a man of intellect. He has a beautiful girlfriend. He has great friends. He has a great life. He has parents who love and support him.

Moral of this post is that, from my experience and others, gay parents raising a child does not turn him gay or unordinary. There's not going to be a difference. I know kids that are gay, messed up, or have issues that have loving parents. If anything, in the example of my friend, it has made him a strong and well rounded individual.

Now I respect everyones opinion, but there's not much in this world that could convince me that gay couples raising a child is going to mess up the kid. People are people no matter what. There are some people, including women, that just aren't fit to be a mother. There are men who should not be fathers. But who prevents those people from marrying and raising children? No one. So what's the difference?

Peace NS.
 
It is debatable, but it's not debatable whether or not being gay is a choice. It's a question of nature versus nurture, yes, but not personal decision.
 
im definitely not saying you wake up one day and say "oh im gonna be gay today" but I am saying is that it isnt pre-determined (or at least hasnt been proven to be) and depends on life circumstances/upbringing
 
Well it's definitely chemical, everything about our bodies is. However, not everything that is genetic is 'genetic' as you put it. Genes can be 'switched' on and off by events in life. Like I said, nature versus nurture.
 
I agree

Not just in gay, but alcoholics, murderers, athletes. Ya we may be more likely but to say you have no control is against what I believe. I believe you choose to follow that path.
 
I agree to some extent. I don't believe one can control what one feels, but that you certainly can choose whether or not to act on it. I don't believe it's fair or right to deny people who feel love for another person of the same gender the right to marry.
 
well its also been proven that it happens whilst in the womb. also, its usually in younger siblings; because after every male born, the chances of it happening increase greatly. something about the hormones fighting it off and it receives certain estrogen levels...

i think. cant remember. or maybe I'm just retarded.
 
I don't hate gay people, I don't hate anyone. I just wish they would change. The more we go overboard preaching that it's alright, the more people will fall into the lifestyle.
 
Yes, I've heard of that study/cause and effect. However, it's not the only thing that determines it. The idea of a 'gay gene' or 'gay hormone' is absurd. Our bodies are far too complex to say that one thing determines something as subtle as sexuality.
 
And who cares if they do. Even if it was a choice (which I don't think is the case) what difference does it make to you if people "fall into the lifestyle"? does it affect you in any way at all?

the answer is no
 
Yeah it does. When was the last time you heard anyone teaching anything about God in schools? We keep moving farther away from that into sin and selfish desires.

"The temptations in your life are no different from what others

experience. And God is faithful. He will not allow the temptation to be

more than you can stand. When you are tempted, he will show you a way

out so that you can endure."

1 corinthians 10:13

God gives you a way out from every temptation.
 
The reason nobody teaches about God in public schools is because it is illegal. I hate to say it, and by no means do I intend to offend any religious people in saying so, but religion is outdated. I can see it as a reasonable means to an end in years gone by; there had to be some way to instill morality into society. Now, we don't need it any more. Many people are agnostic and atheist and are just as good to themselves and society as an average Christian, Muslim, or Jew. It's time for religion to stop trying to deny natural urges. Homosexuality and bisexuality have been around in life and in humanity long before modern religion.
 
First off, being gay is definitely not a choice (I mean, think of the poor gay kid born into a very conservative and/or religious family who has to either hide his true feelings or be completely ostracized from his family in order to be him or herself. Somehow I think someone like that, if it was as easy as a choice, would probably choose to not be alienated or abused by his/her community). There are a number of studies indicating that. It's even been studied that not only is it completely natural, but that homosexuality is all over the animal kingdom.

http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/04/magazine/04animals-t.html

They have also done studies in rats showing that female rats that have male pups on either side of her in utero demonstrates more masculine behaviors, including aggression and mounting females, and vice versa with male rats getting a lot of estrogen in utero from his sisters. Similarly, there are a lot of studies regarding how supplementing with serotonin reuptake inhibitors or testosterone can alter these rats sexual preference

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov+17016704

http://joe.endocrinology-journals.org/content/40/3/387.short

http://joe.endocrinology-journals.org/content/42/1/163.short

Finally, if we need to "protect the sanctity of marriage" then why is it ok to have people marry for money, or for green cards, or for shits and giggles in Vegas, or for any other reason then love. With divorce rates as high as they are, there is very little sanctity in marriage as it is. I say let the gay people be as unhappy as the married straight people if they want to. They deserve the same rights as anyone else. And for the record, I voted no on Prop 8.

But yes...everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
 
Are you being serious? No hate, I legitimately can't tell.

But assuming that you are, teaching religion in public schools has been illegal for decades and will stay that way whether or not gay marriage is legalized. It wasn't the gays that got rid of it.

Your biblical quote and your description of homosexuality as a "selfish desire" only diminish your already questionable credibility on this issue and they just make your bias that much more apparent.

Also, please don't reference scripture in an intellectual debate because, believe it or not, not everybody accepts Christianity.

 
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