Gay Marriage

everyone in this thread needs to find better things to do than arguing, on the internet, with people who share a different opinion
 
Why's that? It's actually quite therapeutic and also very entertaining. What could be better when nothing else is happening. Tv sucks anyway.
 
Its very difficult to draw a parallel between racism and gay rights. You're suggesting that refusing to redefine marriage according to the social whim of the day amounts to the same level of abuse suffered by black slaves. That's simply not correct. Everyone has an equal right to live with whomever they choose and I support any measures taken to ensure that. Undermining the institution of marriage, however, is an entirely different topic. You're not asking for gay people to be 'invited to the party'. You're demanding that the party be socially engineered to fit a minority's views about how that party should be.
 
That's not what I'm saying at all.

"Undermining the institution of marriage, however, is an entirely different topic." Lol at undermining the institution of marriage. Marriage is a fucking joke these days.

"You're not asking for gay people to be 'invited to the party'. You're demanding that the party be socially engineered to fit a minority's views about how that party should be."

Holy shit you're dumb.
 
I would hesitate to call gay marriage a "social whim of the day." Also the parallel between racism and gay rights is this; they both come under the heading of civil rights, and just because racist abuses have been particularly horrid in recent memory doesn't change that. And define the "institution of marriage." You hear that term alot, but I don't see how it undermines the case for gay marriage.
 
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I've said this before...you're right about marriage being a bit of a joke these days. It is weaker than it once was. But that isn't an argument to further weaken it. Its an argument to return marriage to its former glory. Do I think divorce is a good thing? Of course not. I believe marriage is for life and you shouldn't simply be able to walk out of it. Do I think that those who abuse their children and take drugs are more worthy of marriage than two men? Personally, I don't think either are worthy of marriage. This isn't about denying rights to gay people. Let them live together....I don't care. That's their business. Marriage is a public institution that deserves respect, not redefinition.
 
You can get married, nothing says you can't, it just has to be someone of the opposite sex in most states. That is the same for everyone, I can't get married to someone of the same sex either. It just happens I don't want to break that law, and you do.
 
you're facts are straight but that argument is completely pointless. You have the right to marry a woman but don't want to marry a man. Gays (if male for example) have the right to marry a woman but don't want to, they want to marry a man. Why not make this a right?

Basically, if they aren't hurting anyone by doing what they want, why should there be a law against it?
 
what tells you one of these gay isnt like a billionaire and the other one is just packing him to divorce him later one to make a shit ton of money ,just like some dumb bimbos do with celebs .
i think marriage is a joke
 
Pics or it didn't happen. :-) Couldn't let that slide.

I'm way late to the party, but here's my take.

I have had plenty of gay friends and have hung out them enough to be convinced that Nature and Nurture are at play. The most convincing example for me that some people are born gay involves twin brothers that my son has gone to school with since kindergarten. They just finished 2nd grade. One brother is a complete jock and the other one dresses like a girl, likes to play with dolls and spends the majority of his time playing with girls. He has always been this way and his parents are fine with letting him be who he is. He has always wanted to be a girl. It's interesting that kids in the class will often refer to him as sister or girl. They have no concept of what gay means yet.

I have volunteered at the school a bunch and have spent a lot of time with both brothers. I always believed that some people were born gay, some people become gay for whatever circumstance and some people are just open and like to experiment. What I now realize is, if God creates us in his own image, then how could a child born with the wrong plumbing be evil, sinful, etc. I imagine that later in life this guy will have gender reassignment surgery. That got me thinking. Are we saying that you can only marry legitimately if you fork out the money for gender reassignment surgery? That doesn't make sense.

This pretty much solidified if for me that gay couples should have all the benefits and liabilities that hetero couples get from marriage. The biggest drawback to allowing gay marriage IMO is that it will be a huge windfall for sleazy divorce lawyers. Instant increase in client base.

PS- For those that argue that divorce should be made illegal, the impact of that would be that more people would murder their spouses. People already kill their spouse to avoid having to divorce them; could you imagine what it would be like if you couldn't get a divorce? Marriages go bad unfortunately. I pray that mine never does.

 
i think it's sort of interesting that you care so much about this that you'd stick around to argue it for so long. what exactly makes you so opposed to it? none of your supposedly libertarian leanings seem to explain any reason why you'd have a problem with something so utterly inconsequential to you

also, standard jokes about you referring to yourself as a sheepdog
 
Yeah, I get that. They both share the attraction for the same sex. Are we to say that it's OK if you want to change your gender, but it's not OK if you don't?
 
they don't have the right to marry the one that they are sexually attracted to, and are unable to achieve all the legal percs of such a marriage.

what are you not getting about this?
 
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everybody's entitled to their opinion but some opinions are a great deal more reasonable and backed up than others. you've failed to even back your opinion with anything approaching an argument that holds water. and as long as your ignorant, retarded opinion still helps oppress thousands and thousands of people for no good reason, yeah, people are going to have a problem with it

the fact that you have to resort to the horse analogy makes me wonder why i or anyone else even bothers to reply to your posts. if you can't see the difference between two humans in love and a person marrying a horse, which is not a human, cannot consent to things, does not have the intelligence to conceive of love or marriage or possession or anything else.... well, as i said there's really no point in arguing with hillbillies like you

go do some "sheepdog" stuff like shoot guns to feel manly. i figure the more you do that the better the odds are of you shooting yourself in the face which is the most beneficial thing you could possibly do for the rest of us
 
and as i said before, if youre a libertarian like you claim, i don't really understand why you'd be against gay marriage seeing as it restricts people's freedom when it doesnt hurt or affect anyone else. your stance is much more similar to bible-humping religious righties. but it wouldnt be the first time ive heard one of them claim theyre a libertarian to sound reasonable
 
a country that enacts laws based on nothing but religious doctrine are called theocracies. we are not living in a theocracy.

you attempt to go a roundabout way and argue that since a ban on gay marriage doesnt affect the free exercise of religion, then it's okay, trying to bypass what i started this post with. why did you think that would work? i don't know, but i think you are trying to play off on the grey area in interpretations of the wall between church and state in this country. however what isn't open to interpretation is that a law cannot be enacted based on religious rhetoric but completely devoid of any logical or constitutional argument

feel free to not post again here if you can't respond with logical arguments rather than changing the subject, ignoring people's refutations of your posts, and resorting to pisspoor analogies that make no sense and have been continually debunked

to adapt something you said earlier, if you want to live in a country where oppressive laws are set in place for no good reason beyond religious claims, feel free to move to the middle east
 
thats an apples to oranges argument, a gay couple, just like a straight couple, can both rationally and consciously decide that they want each other and understand what marriage entails. a horse does not have the mental capacity to understand what the marriage would even mean.

two gay adults are denied the right to marry the rational HUMAN that they are sexually attracted to, but the straight couple is. how are you not seeing the discrimination there?

and if you are going to say that homosexuality is unnatural, then you're just wrong.

 
read before that.

I am not for laws prohibiting gay marriage, I am personally against it, but it is not the government's (especially federal) responsibility to keep people from doing so.

I have since just been playing devil's advocate.
 
Who are you to decide what a horse can and can not comprehend? According to PETA they have feelings too... And the horse that killed the pervert a few years ago was defiantly consenting.

People's attraction to horses happens just as naturally as people's attraction to someone of the same sex. I bet if you were to look up many of the taboo sexual deviations and fetishes that both heterosexual and homosexual people partake in you would find you think many of those are 'unnatural.' People are quick to justify homosexuality, but will then just as quickly demonize fetishes that are reported to be just as common as homosexuality. The hypocrisy would be comical if it was not so sad.
 
But homosexuality is about more than sexual urges. If two people want to get married then there is a deeper attraction than that, a mutual feeling of love and compassion (hopefully). Long-term relationships, whether homosexual or heterosexual involve a lot more than sexual impulses
 
Meh, I don't need to, I think my fairly libertarian tendencies expose my actually views. I am fairly libertarian with the exception of education, defense, and abortion which I view as a necessary evil.
 
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