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the only problem with gays i've ever had was their parade when they make out with each other and stuff. you don't even see straights doing that. but if you hate gays, you're a bad person. there is no feesable reason to hate them because all of the bullshit about nature and god is completly unusable. so many have said 'well its not natural' or 'its not what god intended', well last time i checked, no one here really cared about the nature of humans or god. all you homophobics are just as bad as the white supremists, and for this, i hate you.

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^wow you already said that, I think we get it, you hate us because were not gay..

'i don't get why people are so against gay marriages. how much does it even effect them. and you hear all this shit about adam and eve and its against nature. last time i fucking checked, you dickheads didn't give a shit about god or nature.' -asac

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patj
 
Eh, i respect them as people, I mean, I can sit down and have a normal convo with a gay person, if they are respectable and keep their sexuality to themselves. Its people that stand and wave signs, and wear penis's on their shirt that make me mad.

Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.

-Not enough money for a summer camp this year-session 4

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Homosexuality is unnatural? Then... What is natural?

1. Part of existence; contrast between the natural and the supernatural

-Moral and immoral acts are natural. The natural world excluding humanity. In this case, Homosexuality is unnatural, but so is the alternative.

2. That which is Normal

Leads to mean commonly accepted, which doesn't mean 'right' or 'moral'. Also, homosexuals aren't the majority, but are common throughout history.

3. Having to do with the physical world

-Pertains to the distinction between the physical and the mental. Not particularly relevant

4. Present or existing from birth

-ie: natural hair colour. Evidence states that this is the case with homosexuality.

5. That which works

-Pragmatic definition; does it function. Procreation comes into play. However, by this token, sex must be unnatural in any way that does not produce children. Procreation is not the only function of sex. If pleasure is justifiable, then it should be so in all cases

6. That towards which we are inclined

-Not relevant, we are inclined towards both moral and immoral acts

7. Conformity with the laws of nature

-No laws of nature are broken through homosexuality, but the same is true of all immoral acts; therefore not relevant. For you geniuses out there that want to argue with this, laws of nature refers to things like the law of gravity.

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Whoops, I screwed that up... 'The natural world excluding humanity' should be numbered.

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Nice JD, now u have found a new and exciting way to post lots of info i dont have the patience to read. Your new form, this list with topics and sub topics dont get your point across quite as well, but anyways, i didnt say it was unnatural, i dont care what it is, but 2 gay guys making out is something i can't stand. Now let me have my fucking opinion, and you have yours.

Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.

-Not enough money for a summer camp this year-session 4

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Agreed, being gay is natural...can't argue with that.

'No its okay, I'm shaved' White Women

'I heard of Trimin the hedges, but you done scorched the earth..' Dave Chapelle.

patj
 
Haha if you'd read it you would've realized that it isn't directed at you... it's directed at people, in general, who use the 'Homosexuality is unnatural and therefore wrong' argument. It's been used several times in this thread.

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Oh man, i needed the organized list, that paragraph did not make sense to me, i will organize it into a proper list for you.

1. Haha if you'd read it you would've realized that it isn't directed at you...

-it's directed at people, in general, who use the 'Homosexuality is unnatural and therefore wrong' argument.

2. It's been used several times in this thread.

Now isnt that better? Im jk, im not lookin for a fight.

Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.

-Not enough money for a summer camp this year-session 4

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Not bad, but you need some practice. How's this:

1. Haha if you'd read it you would've realized

-that it isn't directed at you...

1a. It's directed at people, in general, who use

-the 'Homosexuality is unnatural and therefore wrong' argument.

-It's been used several times in this thread.

There. I did it in ONE. By the way, it was organized like that because I took it directly out of my Phil notes and I didn't want to reorganize it into a paragraph... finding those notes was effort enough.

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Ah, yes, that is a much better outline then mine. Props for that.

Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.

-Not enough money for a summer camp this year-session 4

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Overall.. arguing that gay marriage is unlawful is in turn like arguing that 19 century black slavery is moral. People are just uncomfortable with homosexuality and have religious issues, and these people are the majority, and the majority always gets the vote, so thats why gay marriage is not legal.

'No its okay, I'm shaved' White Women

'I heard of Trimin the hedges, but you done scorched the earth..' Dave Chapelle.

patj
 
JD u think to much , u take to much time to be more supior than others, this is not needed, and yeah gays are ok if they dont makeout if front of me

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haha, evan u gotta find a fight somehow.

Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.

-Not enough money for a summer camp this year-session 4

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If we're going to get rid of gays for being 'unnatural' we might as well get rid of all the people in the world who were born with any kind of disability. Whether its a mental retardation or bad eyesight, it doesn't really matter, its just not natural.

(Sarcasm meter exploding)

Im not trying to say homosexuality and disabilites are the same, Im saying they are both things you can be born with. Therefore, they are both 'natural,' and if you argue that theres no such thing as being born gay, you are a moron. Someone who is born gay is programmed to be attracted to those of their same sex, and they can't help that. A gay man can't just wake up one day and decide 'Im going to only like women from now on,' he was born to be attracted to men. If you think Im wrong I want you to wake up tomorrow and see if you can only be attracted to men, I guaruntee you, you can't.

VIVA LA FRONTFLIP!
 
i cant member who said it but it he said' gay marrages are gay' and i agree

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jd your a fascit in the sense that when people are talking about there own opions on gays and gay mariges. you flip the fuck out. casue you cannot stand to see some one who opposes your idea of every one liking gay people.. u think your shit dont stink.. i really pray to god that u shut the fuck up!!!

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lesbian parents are just as good as regular ones....my friend has lesbian parents and a dad...gay parents(male) are horrible....im with eastcoastdestruction on that adam and eve not adam and steve

dont go to new york. all it has to offer is i love ny stickers
 
I think that homosexualityis immoral and wrong due to my beliefs as a Christian. In the Bible God condems homosexualtity as an abomination. I do not think that gay marriage should be legal due to the fact that marriage is primarily of a christian origin. However, I do believe in the elimination of the 'loss of rights' that represent the gap between civil unions and marriage. I would let the gays have their rights as comperable to those of marrige with the exclusion of the ability to adopt. This way gays get their rights and no longer have grounds to bitch and the practice of religion is not turned into a deviant practice. Again, I do not believe that gays should be able to adobt due to the number of straight couples who are having trouble going through the adoption red tape. I am not a homophobe and I do not hate gay people, but I do believe that a significant aspect of their life is terribly askewed. I am fine with gay people as long as I don't have to hear them talk about that aspect of their life.

Driving that Train
 
I have several homosexual friends; they're hella cool and fun clan to party with.

Whatever they do with their own lives is their own businesses, not ours. US laws is still based on christianinty, so homosexuals gets lot of shit from those closed-minded people. This is turning into a religious battle.

 
all of you sick of the gay pride parades...

theyre not doing it for fuckin kicks and grins. thats like saying 'damn black people and their million man march.' dont try to pretend that your views of 'i dont care if theyre gay just keep it to themselves' is tolerant, politicians and the government have swept gays under the table for years and beat around the bush on issues, thats why theyre pissed.

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^We have a winner...

And hoodratz, it's not an opinion. It's intolerance. There's a huge difference. It's simply no different than saying ''You know, I really don't like black people'' or ''I hate people with blue eyes''. If you said those things and meant them, I would contend that you are a discriminatory asshole. Non-acceptance of all this neo-Jim-Crowism amounts to the exact opposite of facism. The reason this topic annoys me is simply because you people can apparently not see how much you sound like (and I'm not exaggerating here) a hate group.

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anyone who even tries to compare the movement for gay marrige and the civil rights movement is an absolute dolt. anyone who tries to compare the discrimination that gays experience and the discrimination that blacks undergo really ought to drown themselves. they are not even close to the same thing. re freaking diculous. dont do it.

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Gay marriage is obviously only comparable to one aspect of the civil rights movement (mixed coupling). If you're comparing the struggle, or their initial oppression, then certainly they've been different. However, any arbitrary discrimination is comparable to any other; one cannot say 'it's worse to hate blacks because they're black than it is to hate gays because they're gay'. To do so would truly be 're freaking diculous'.

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im not saying its immoral, im not the guy in the streets with an electrical cord and an outlet saying 'they dont fit, they dont fit together seeeeee????', neither am i the one saying its agains religeon because i dont follow that perfectly either, in my opnion, i think we should just show all the pro gay people a really hardcore gay porno just so they remember what they are supporting.

then i see people who say that gay marriage is ok, because its true love. If i really loved my toaster oven in my kitchen, its the same thing as if i went around saying man and toaster equality,,,let me be able to marry my toaster oven because i love it, therefore you should change laws around for me. i just dont understand why all the homosexuals cant go to like one state to get married, they have to parade around and say that the law should be changed.

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^Can you spot the problem with the toaster analogy? Hmmm... oh yeah, the toaster isn't HUMAN! Brilliant.

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be tolerant, the man lves a toaster and you need to see the beauty in it, accept it and be tolerant

Driving that Train
 
yea J.D im not saying you have to like it, all you have to be tolerant about me and the toaster

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As long as Gay people keep to themselves who cares if theyre married or not? They should be allowed to marry if they love each other.To me, the whole idea of homosexuality is gross but i do have gay uncles and i respect them because they are perfectly normal people they just happen to be attracted to the same sex. I dont care if they get married or not and they should be allowed to have children if they want to. Canada is a free country and therefore people should be allowed to choose who they like and who they want to marry,whatever sex that person might be of. Homophobia is a form of racism and should be discouraged. Black,white,asian,gay,straight,bisexual, were all human beings and thats all that matters. If gay people had a history of say child molestation or rape then they should not be allowed to marry because they would be a threat to public safety but hey, if two guys want to have sex in their own house and not bother anyone, they should be allowed to.

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oh ya and bigJ, the bible is a pile of bullshit dont believe that shit. The whole catholic church is way too fuckin overrated, and corrupt. Ill have you notice that its the priest that are molesting boys, and the priest sure arent gay!

I'd probably eat human if i didn't know where it came from. - Nick Mercon

How many telemarkers does it take to screw in a light bulb? none theyre all dirty hippies with no electricity.- Greg Tuffelmire

 
for me, the real issue here is not weather homosexuality is right or wrong. its not weather they should enjoy the same rights as a heterosexual couple. what it has to do with is the growing trend that is spear headed by progressive judges generally found on the 9th circut, and 'civil rights' groups like the aclu who want to make moral realitivism the prevailing standard in out nation. if there were civil unions for homosexual couples that had identical rights and benefits to a marrige, that would be fine and dandy. go for it. but what is happening is the gradual re-defining of america. this is just one example. (insert smart comment about the re defining of the civil rights of the 60's here... we already know that we arnent talking about anything in the same ball park as that.)

it makes no more sense than if i decided to press a suit to be recognized as a girl. i dont feel its appropriate or fair that i should have to undergo surgery to be a girl. i would like admittance to all womens restrooms, all womens organizations, dressing rooms, etc. im sure the aclu could represent me. i just dont feel it is right that i have to be confined to the definition that society has labled me with. (insert smart comment about how i was born a male, and people arent born gay here... and that is entirely up for debate, as there is no concrete evidence one way or the other)

marriage is DEFINED as a union between a man and a woman. just like the talmud is a book of hebrew scripture. just like i am typing in the english language. it is how it is.

let them have equal rights, but dont distort or profane an instution that for many is absolutly sacred and holy and unavailable for change.

thats how i feel about it.

Mercy's eyes are blue

When she places them in front of you

Nothing holds a roman candle to

The solemn warmth you feel inside

 
I forgot when I said I was catholic, I have never even been to a catholic mass, but I don't want to get into an argument over religon now, have a good stay in hell

Driving that Train
 
that could be how our population is gonna end. everyones gonna turn gay and theres gonna be no more reproduction. so we're just gonna dwindle away. thats sad.

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ski-the-springs
 
Here is the absolute truth:

first of all, i know gays, and before i was aware or their orientation, i wouldnt have known. religion cannot interfere with politics, because it is not fact and therefore cannot be used to base everything apon, especially if it is one single religion. THe sexual part of homosexuality is complete preference. You like it or you dont.

 
absolute truth eh? dont be dumb.

Mercy's eyes are blue

When she places them in front of you

Nothing holds a roman candle to

The solemn warmth you feel inside

 
hahaha, anewmorning, you a obviously an idiot if you think I was comparing the struggle of blacks during the 19th century to gays now. I said arguing that gay marriage is unlawful is like saying slavery is moral. THUS meaning there is no argument for both, some say slavery is a tradition, but thats bullshit, some say marriage is a tradition..bullshit... see what I am now saying?? you stupid ass.

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'I heard of Trimin the hedges, but you done scorched the earth..' Dave Chapelle.

patj
 
wow did anyone else notice 221's completely serious post, it was a good post too

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SHIT. I just wrote about 5 paragraphs about how unsupported the reasons for being homophobics were and i pushed back by mistake. I'm pissed.

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p-jo... you presupposing sped. i didnt even read your post till now. i was responding to the guy who was comparing gay parades to the million man march. get over yourself.

Mercy's eyes are blue

When she places them in front of you

Nothing holds a roman candle to

The solemn warmth you feel inside

 
and i see what youre saying... youre absolutist stance on marrige as a 'bullshit tradition' is a bit discrediting. thanks for contributing.

Mercy's eyes are blue

When she places them in front of you

Nothing holds a roman candle to

The solemn warmth you feel inside

 
wow, simple mistake, but I guess you are the expert on gay marriage, no room to argue with your stance...

Who DEFINED marriage, between a man and a women. PRobably married people. Oh I see, gay people are threatening your institution of marriage, by getting married.... good call. Your christian bible hugging view of gay marriage is bullshit is what I'm saying. So if you don't have any solid evidence why gay people shouldn't get married, why don't you stop posting???

'No its okay, I'm shaved' White Women

'I heard of Trimin the hedges, but you done scorched the earth..' Dave Chapelle.

patj
 
okay, first things first. you, sir, need to take a big simmer pill. im an expert on marrige? no, never said that... no room to argue with me? well, if thats how you feel, you dont have to... why dont i stop posting? ? ? i dont see where youre going with that one. read my long post a few up there. i gave ample reason for how i feel. i encourage you to do the same.

Mercy's eyes are blue

When she places them in front of you

Nothing holds a roman candle to

The solemn warmth you feel inside

 
P-JO, it is simple fact that old traditions make way for the new. That is how society progresses. There is no longer enough support for your argument anymore. If you were to have the same arguement 15 years ago you would almost definatly win, but society has changed, people are drifting further away from faith and religion and nature is becoming more obscure and abstract as each day passes.

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I don't understand why people are bringing sex into this discussion. Do you think about your parents having sex? no, why? because its unpleasant, so why the hell are any of you thinking about the type of sex that gay people have. If you're so disgusted by it, why even think about it? Old people having sex with eachother is unpleasant as well, but no one's banning them from doing it. The type of sex that gay people have shouldn't sway people's opinions, because that's a private issue, that you have no business dealing with.

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Alright, well then leave marriage as the old relic and have the gays start something new, yet leave marriage as it is alone. They can have the same rights as marriage, but it will not be marrige because marriage is between a man and a woman.

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I like how jarossmb... says, 'lesbians (not the porn kind)....'

hahaha...

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I don't even understand what your saying asac and how it applys to anything. I don't even know why I'm trying to argue. This topic sucks as I stated in my first post or so.

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'I heard of Trimin the hedges, but you done scorched the earth..' Dave Chapelle.

patj
 
Marriage, what is it but a bind of 2 individuals that has become corrupt and means almost nothing anymore. 50% of marriages end in divorce in the U.S. and people are complaining that gays shouldn't marry because marriage is a sacred vow. That is complete and utter bullshit. Every statement made against gays could easily be nullifyed because of the hypocritical corrupt society we live in.

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