Fulltilt fanbois

[tomPietrowski]

My opinion on that is that Full Tilt designed the boot such that the thicker liner underfoot hogs the space a footbed would use. If I pull out the liner and stick my fingers in the shell the volume is within an acceptable range for my foot. As the liner continues to pack out and get roomier I might think about throwing something in there, but in their current state neither my feet and every other part of me feel any signs of a lack of support in my feet. What I would actually be most interested in trying due to the space constraints from the intuition liner is a low profile hard plastic insert between the liner and the boot sole. Although I don't think I need the support (at least not yet) it would be an interesting experiment. One day maybe I will try 3D printing a couple and throwing them in. I happen to have pressure data for both my feet that can be converted to a surface which I could then use to create a solid model of the insert. Graphically it looks like so if anyone feels like getting analytic.

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It's an interesting concept. I happen to actually agree with you that having a more natural shape to the boot board is a good idea. But there is one aspect a footbed offers which could not be replicated soley using your method. The heel of your foot has a fatty pad that aids in impact cushioning. If the heel is not properly surported this fatty pad spread and is less effective. The way a footbed holds your heel can aid in helping this fatty pad work as it should. So if any thing I think a combo of a more natural boot board shape and a good footbed is a good solution.

 

[tomPietrowski]

My opinion on that is that Full Tilt designed the boot such that the thicker liner underfoot hogs the space a footbed would use. If I pull out the liner and stick my fingers in the shell the volume is within an acceptable range for my foot. As the liner continues to pack out and get roomier I might think about throwing something in there, but in their current state neither my feet and every other part of me feel any signs of a lack of support in my feet. What I would actually be most interested in trying due to the space constraints from the intuition liner is a low profile hard plastic insert between the liner and the boot sole. Although I don't think I need the support (at least not yet) it would be an interesting experiment. One day maybe I will try 3D printing a couple and throwing them in. I happen to have pressure data for both my feet that can be converted to a surface which I could then use to create a solid model of the insert. Graphically it looks like so if anyone feels like getting analytic.

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Also did whoever scanned your feet mention anything about a dropped metatarsal arch? It would appear from you forefoot you have a lot of pressure around the 3rd and 4th met which may indicate a dropped met arch. This coul potentially lead to noromas in that area which is somthing you do not want. Im guessing you had those scans done for running shoe insoles do you insoles have a met dome out of interest?

 

[jadavis]

Also did whoever scanned your feet mention anything about a dropped metatarsal arch? It would appear from you forefoot you have a lot of pressure around the 3rd and 4th met which may indicate a dropped met arch. This coul potentially lead to noromas in that area which is somthing you do not want. Im guessing you had those scans done for running shoe insoles do you insoles have a met dome out of interest?

The scaling for the color exaggerates the pressure distribution slightly and they were also done while walking so the resolution is so so. I suspect that is a remnant of a stress fracture I had in that foot a few years ago since it isn't as apparent in the left foot scan. My insoles for running don't have a met dome and it hasn't caused any discomfort to date. Hopefully that stays that way, but I do have my eye on it.

For the plastic bit that would go on top of the foot bed I'm thinking it would mimic the shape of a footbed so that the liner would conform to it and provide the same benefits as the footbed without adding to much material underfoot. I'll draw one up sometime tomorrow I think.

 

[tomPietrowski]

The scaling for the color exaggerates the pressure distribution slightly and they were also done while walking so the resolution is so so. I suspect that is a remnant of a stress fracture I had in that foot a few years ago since it isn't as apparent in the left foot scan. My insoles for running don't have a met dome and it hasn't caused any discomfort to date. Hopefully that stays that way, but I do have my eye on it.

For the plastic bit that would go on top of the foot bed I'm thinking it would mimic the shape of a footbed so that the liner would conform to it and provide the same benefits as the footbed without adding to much material underfoot. I'll draw one up sometime tomorrow I think.

I get what you mean about adding shape under the liner and I think I may actually be right in saying that is somthing onenerdykid used to try with full tilts. It could for sure have benefits but would not replace a conventional footbed insid the liner. If you have space for it under the liner you have space for it inside.

 

[jadavis]

I get what you mean about adding shape under the liner and I think I may actually be right in saying that is somthing onenerdykid used to try with full tilts. It could for sure have benefits but would not replace a conventional footbed insid the liner. If you have space for it under the liner you have space for it inside.

It would save space because it could be zero thickness under the center of the heel and ball of the foot where the pressures are highest. If I'm not mistaken footbeds have some nominal thickness which this would be able to sidestep. Essentially your foot would sit at the same elevation from the boot board that it would without the insert, but it would provide some structure for your foot when you weight it.

 

[GrumpisPringle]

Since I joined NS, I think I've learned the most about bootfitting from reading tomPietrowski's comments than from anywhere else

don't discount onenerdykid. he has helped me with many many things

 

[tomPietrowski]

It would save space because it could be zero thickness under the center of the heel and ball of the foot where the pressures are highest. If I'm not mistaken footbeds have some nominal thickness which this would be able to sidestep. Essentially your foot would sit at the same elevation from the boot board that it would without the insert, but it would provide some structure for your foot when you weight it.

Footbeds will only add around 2mm thickness in the ball of the foot and heel. This would be at least what your idea would add. You could not have a surport under the arch but not the heel as you would have a ridge line at the start of the mid tarsal area. Honestly as boot fitters we have experimented and tried all sorts of things but what gets done on a daily basis gets done because it works.

 

[J_Steez]

i've had the ft classics for 2 years, 3 years after this coming season. I first bought drop kicks online and they were not the right size so that was a pretty shitty mistake, but ski rack helped pay for the classics after I tried them on and determined they were the boot for me. They may not fit everyone but i love em