I realize I am known for being harsh on full-tilts, but I will skip my whole complaint on the design for this one. Personally I think that the graphics on the seth are a deal breaker. New out of the box it looks like someone threw up on it. And after it has been skied a bit that clear plastic (graphics are under it) gets a yellow tint to it which makes it really ugly. If you want a full tilt that is stiffer I would look at the first chair, it has the same 10 flex tong as the seth but with a nice clean black look. Still have the metal buckles, only difference is a stiffer boot board and color.