Full Tilt Classics: Disappointment. Input Needed.

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I have been using full tilt classics for over three years now and I’m starting to overpower them. I was fitted by a boot fitter. They measured my arch and put super feet into them, I definitely felt more grounded with the footbeds and more in control. I was using the stock 6-Flex tongue for quite some time but felt that I was leaning forward too much so I opted to buy the 8-flex tongues, which made the boots a little stiffer. I also bought a expert booster strap to help get rid of extra space in the liner. Yet, with all these modifications I still feel like I’m not one with the ski, that my boots are still too loose despite them being very tight. I tighten the buckles almost to their limits, yet they still feel too soft.

And because they are so tight I can feel pressure points from the exterior parts of the boot pushing on the liner. I also should mention that the buckles blow and break all the time.

I’m out of money and don’t know what I should do? Is there any other mods that would help stiffen up the boot?

Could it be that I need to re-mold my liners as I haven’t done it in a year or is this not necessary?
 
13604995:KravtZ said:
Pretty obvious by the sounds of it that your boots clearly don't fit you. Get new boots.
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But I was fitted by a boot fitter, and they fit my well when I didn’t ski with the super feet in them. They almost feel too small, yet they are too soft. Also, my ankle was held down great, but after a year my heel lifts up ever so slightly. I’m not sure what would help hold my heel in place.
 
I have really skinny calves, it is genetic but most likely not. So depite my foot feeling snug, my heel all the way up my calf has a lot of room, hence I have to crank my booster straps, which sort of helps but have to also crank my buckles, especially the middle buckle to hold down my heel. This barely helps heel lifting and mostly causes instep pain from over buckling.

Would eliminator tongues help?
 
13605002:fuckmekevin said:
But I was fitted by a boot fitter, and they fit my well when I didn’t ski with the super feet in them. They almost feel too small, yet they are too soft. Also, my ankle was held down great, but after a year my heel lifts up ever so slightly. I’m not sure what would help hold my heel in place.
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The most obvious problem in my eyes is that you got super feet. from my previous problems, the drop in footbeds are crap and just take up space. A full custom will give you that control/support you want, along with slightly shrinking your foot

so what im saying, you should have got custom footbeds instead of drop instead

good luck man
 
You should do a shell check just to make sure they are actually the right size.

Take out the liner and put your foot into the shell, slide your foot forward so your toes touch the front of the shell. Then measure the distance between the back of your heel and the end/back of the shell. If you have more than 3cm between your heel and the shell the boots are too big. Ideally you want 2cm for a standard fit and 1cm for a performance fit.

Also as suggested earlier custom footbeds are a lot better then Superfeet so I would look into getting a pair of them. However that being said if the boots are the wrong size custom footbeds aren't going to solve all that much.
 
Flex - Perhaps you can jump up to a 10-flex tongue to make the boot stiffer and feel more control.

Heel hold/Snug Fit - I've never had an issue with this that required boot-fitter help, but are there not solutions to aid this? As you mentioned, over time it has felt that you are getting looser inside the foot. Perhaps it's time to remold the original liner or purchase a new one.

As for footboards, I know that my Full Tilts were not even remotely accommodating to them. From what I understand, Full Tilt boots in general are not friendly to foot-beds. You should look into a custom solution.

Boot-fitters and ski bums always love beer. If you can't pay full price or need expedited services, always bring beer.
 
13605167:Negromancer said:
You should do a shell check just to make sure they are actually the right size.

Take out the liner and put your foot into the shell, slide your foot forward so your toes touch the front of the shell. Then measure the distance between the back of your heel and the end/back of the shell. If you have more than 3cm between your heel and the shell the boots are too big. Ideally you want 2cm for a standard fit and 1cm for a performance fit.

Also as suggested earlier custom footbeds are a lot better then Superfeet so I would look into getting a pair of them. However that being said if the boots are the wrong size custom footbeds aren't going to solve all that much.
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I did a shell check and my heel is between 1.8 and 2.2cm from the shell. This is barefoot.
 
How many days do you have in them? For me, after three years in a boot they are totally KO'ed. My liners pack out, the plastic soles on the bottom of the boot are completely worn out, buckles start breaking. Those are replaceable, but still.

You got fit by a boot fitter, tried multiple different flex tongues...Have you tried a custom footbed? Had custom work on the shell?

People in here have given you good advice but you insist the boots "fit you." Obviously they don't. Go with a different brand of boot or just deal with what you have.

A boot fitter fit me for a Salomon boot, but they just have never worked for me. Dalbello is the "right fit" for my foot. Always has been and now I won't go with anything else.
 
Full tilts are cheaply made. Your liners sound packed out. You have a narrow lower leg and a full tilt last is 99.

My best advice is stop dumping so much time, effort and money into salvaging these. Look for a low volume last boot like tecnica Cochise pro 130 low volume. The buckles are burly, it's narrow and stiff , the plastics make a mockery of full tilt. The booster power strap has a lever on it to crank it down super tight. It's a true powerhouse freeride boot for hard chargers . Also k2 pinnacle 130 low volume is a 97 last , has a burly power strap that ratchets down like the Cochise, and is a similar boot that's a stiff 130 flex freeride powerhouse. Those are my recs man.
 
13605336:loopie said:
How many days do you have in them? For me, after three years in a boot they are totally KO'ed. My liners pack out, the plastic soles on the bottom of the boot are completely worn out, buckles start breaking. Those are replaceable, but still.

You got fit by a boot fitter, tried multiple different flex tongues...Have you tried a custom footbed? Had custom work on the shell?

People in here have given you good advice but you insist the boots "fit you." Obviously they don't. Go with a different brand of boot or just deal with what you have.

A boot fitter fit me for a Salomon boot, but they just have never worked for me. Dalbello is the "right fit" for my foot. Always has been and now I won't go with anything else.
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It’s three years old, don’t have the money right now to spend 500 dollars on a new boot. I have yet to try a custom footbed, my buckles are fine, despite them being shit plastic and I purchased new soles last winter. I’m going to bring them to a new boot fitter sometime soon. See if I need new boots.

When I got them fitted for super feet, the boot fitter told me that the classics are soft and noodles compared to the Seth Morrison version and if you want a more responsive boot than that is the better option. He also mentioned Dalbello Krypton, obviously that’s if they fit me first. I was under the impression that a booster strap, a new liner, and a stiffer tongue would help because the only difference the Morrison boot has compared to the classics is the liner and the tongue.

Maybe all full tilts are soft and less responsive than other boots.
 
K , well the boots I recommend earlier are more freeride boots for someone interested in hard charging, if you want a cabrio 3 piece shell like a ft I recommend dalbellos or even nordica ace 3 stars. Full tilts are cheap children's toys . Best of luck to you tho man.
 
13605392:fuckmekevin said:
50/50. If there’s powder I won’t be anywhere other than the powder.
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I don't think you need a new boot, but if you have the money some new liners might do the trick
 
Yah know what, FT's are a fucking noodle laterally. I think they are an overall cheap boot with a heavy price. I think they fit me okay, but these modifications are not working and they just feel like cheap noodles. No matter what I do, they aren’t going to be as stiff or as responsive as I want them, they feel like a slipper that is jagged. I want better control over my skis so I think I’ll go to the boot fitter and opt for something else. I might be living on the street because of this decision.
 
13605212:fuckmekevin said:
I did a shell check and my heel is between 1.8 and 2.2cm from the shell. This is barefoot.
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Drop down a size, to a one finger shell fit. If your looking for that 'connected' feeling while skiing that is what it is going to take.
 
13605212:fuckmekevin said:
I did a shell check and my heel is between 1.8 and 2.2cm from the shell. This is barefoot.
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Drop down a size, to a one finger shell fit. If your looking for that 'connected' feeling while skiing that is what it is going to take.
 
13605212:fuckmekevin said:
I did a shell check and my heel is between 1.8 and 2.2cm from the shell. This is barefoot.
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Drop down a size, to a one finger shell fit. If your looking for that 'connected' feeling while skiing that is what it is going to take.
 
OP i was in the exact same spot last season. I had FT booters on their 4th season. I tried everything, new tongues, new booster straps. It turned out that my skiing had progressed past the mediocre fit I had with the FT's. And plus my boots were just plain worn out.

So i saved my cash and went to see a real bootfitter this season. It was crazy exspensive, but It has paid off. If you want the best fit possible, your going to have to start over and go see a professional.

Finish out this season with your current boots and start saving for next season. If your cheap when it comes to buying important gear like boots, your skiing will be cheap too
 
OP i was in the exact same spot last season. I had FT booters on their 4th season. I tried everything, new tongues, new booster straps. It turned out that my skiing had progressed past the mediocre fit I had with the FT's. And plus my boots were just plain worn out.

So i saved my cash and went to see a real bootfitter this season. It was crazy exspensive, but It has paid off. If you want the best fit possible, your going to have to start over and go see a professional.

Finish out this season with your current boots and start saving for next season. If your cheap when it comes to buying important gear like boots, your skiing will be cheap too
 
I just got the classics 2015 and I am not very impressed with them for how much they were I already have a buckle broken. and have only ridden them like 7 times.
 
13605403:Pachankz said:
K , well the boots I recommend earlier are more freeride boots for someone interested in hard charging, if you want a cabrio 3 piece shell like a ft I recommend dalbellos or even nordica ace 3 stars. Full tilts are cheap children's toys . Best of luck to you tho man.
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Even the old Nordica Twin Six (The bottom of their 3 piece line) is more boot than a FT.
 
13605692:Session said:
Even the old Nordica Twin Six (The bottom of their 3 piece line) is more boot than a FT.
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Maintaining a pair of ft takes being a bit of a tinkerer. I have an old friend who has had Raichle flexons forever, long before ft came out. He has a tool box in his truck with all sorts of parts , and buckles etc. he's a really handy guy and is able to maintain his by LOTS of constant work. If that's worth it to you then by all means go for it man but I personally would just get a boot that is well built . I ride the technica cochise pro 130 low volume and couldn't be happier with them. They charge hard and are built for speed and power without sacrifice of comfort. An amazing freeride boot.
 
13605672:ggfski42 said:
OP i was in the exact same spot last season. I had FT booters on their 4th season. I tried everything, new tongues, new booster straps. It turned out that my skiing had progressed past the mediocre fit I had with the FT's. And plus my boots were just plain worn out.

So i saved my cash and went to see a real bootfitter this season. It was crazy exspensive, but It has paid off. If you want the best fit possible, your going to have to start over and go see a professional.

Finish out this season with your current boots and start saving for next season. If your cheap when it comes to buying important gear like boots, your skiing will be cheap too
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I mean I’m just not sure if I should spend more money on these boots. They are three and a half years old, the shell is pretty worn and I don’t think it will be worth it to try to mend them to my ability. No matter what they are always to soft and not that responsive. I guess new boots are the only other option but I’ll wait and see.
 
topic:fuckmekevin said:
I have been using full tilt classics for over three years now and I’m starting to overpower them. I was fitted by a boot fitter. They measured my arch and put super feet into them, I definitely felt more grounded with the footbeds and more in control. I was using the stock 6-Flex tongue for quite some time but felt that I was leaning forward too much so I opted to buy the 8-flex tongues, which made the boots a little stiffer. I also bought a expert booster strap to help get rid of extra space in the liner. Yet, with all these modifications I still feel like I’m not one with the ski, that my boots are still too loose despite them being very tight. I tighten the buckles almost to their limits, yet they still feel too soft.

And because they are so tight I can feel pressure points from the exterior parts of the boot pushing on the liner. I also should mention that the buckles blow and break all the time.

I’m out of money and don’t know what I should do? Is there any other mods that would help stiffen up the boot?

Could it be that I need to re-mold my liners as I haven’t done it in a year or is this not necessary?
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I've had a lot of these problems too and I'm still trying to figure them out. I got fitted for them and have 1.5 cm when I checked the shell
 
honestly its just full tilts! all my instructor mates go on about how full tilts ruin peoples skiing as they just dont have the same performance as other boots. i would really recommend a new boot brand with a more traditional shell if you want to charge, have support and get more technical with your skiing. from my personal experience, i have to agree as i have a pair of full tilts which are great for park and pissing about but when i need more performance i use my other stiffer tecnica boots.
 
13605746:CabbyArrant said:
I've had a lot of these problems too and I'm still trying to figure them out. I got fitted for them and have 1.5 cm when I checked the shell
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Which should be ideal. Were they fitted?
 
How does the Dalbello Krypton/Pro I.D compare to something like the classics with a 10 tongue, concerning responsiveness and overall quality?

I really don’t think I can stiffen up the boot anymore, it will still be a noodle laterally than most other boots, which really doesn’t sit well for an aggressive, charging style.
 
13605778:fuckmekevin said:
How does the Dalbello Krypton/Pro I.D compare to something like the classics with a 10 tongue, concerning responsiveness and overall quality?

I really don’t think I can stiffen up the boot anymore, it will still be a noodle laterally than most other boots, which really doesn’t sit well for an aggressive, charging style.
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Almost all 3-piece boots will be laterally soft.
 
13605819:.MASSHOLE. said:
Almost all 3-piece boots will be laterally soft.
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Ive owned FT's, ridden Kryptons, and own Ace 3 Stars right now and can say that the FT's were the only laterally soft boots. If you compared these boots to a race boot, then no shit they will be less responsive, but I was 120lbs and I could feel the FT's warp when I skied bumps in them so I sold them after using them a few weeks. FT's are not great boot, but the flex is appealing to people who tend to stay in the park.

Dalbello Il Moro's are my boot of choice ever since I tried them on, but they are always sold out or at full price when I need new boots, then they come up online for good prices when I already have boots. OP, Sell your FT's after a refurbishing, drop some money on something you enjooy for cheap, and honestly, shops want to help you out if you let them know your situation too (plus beer)
 
13605827:parkplayground said:
Ive owned FT's, ridden Kryptons, and own Ace 3 Stars right now and can say that the FT's were the only laterally soft boots. If you compared these boots to a race boot, then no shit they will be less responsive, but I was 120lbs and I could feel the FT's warp when I skied bumps in them so I sold them after using them a few weeks. FT's are not great boot, but the flex is appealing to people who tend to stay in the park.

Dalbello Il Moro's are my boot of choice ever since I tried them on, but they are always sold out or at full price when I need new boots, then they come up online for good prices when I already have boots. OP, Sell your FT's after a refurbishing, drop some money on something you enjooy for cheap, and honestly, shops want to help you out if you let them know your situation too (plus beer)
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Compared to a traditional overlap, they are all laterally soft.
 
Sounds like your liners are heavily packed out, new liners would be a good place to start. A new tongue won't really help you feel more connected to the boot. You should take them back to the fitter and voice your concerns, they can shim the boots and add pads to the liner for a quick fix to take up the volume lost from the liners packing out. To get something like that done at my local fitter would run around $40.

Probably a stupid question, but are you drying your liners separate from your shells and then putting them back together and buckling the boot to store them? Leaving them unbuckled causes the shells to lose their shape.
 
13606824:Mr.Penguin said:
Sounds like your liners are heavily packed out, new liners would be a good place to start. A new tongue won't really help you feel more connected to the boot. You should take them back to the fitter and voice your concerns, they can shim the boots and add pads to the liner for a quick fix to take up the volume lost from the liners packing out. To get something like that done at my local fitter would run around $40.

Probably a stupid question, but are you drying your liners separate from your shells and then putting them back together and buckling the boot to store them? Leaving them unbuckled causes the shells to lose their shape.
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I just bought new Full Tilt Pro liners at the end of last winter. I’ve had a total of 15 days or less on them, I don’t think they would pack out that quick. I’ll heat mold them. I usually bring them in to get heat molded but could i just do this at home? How hard could it be?

I always buckle the boots back up, although of the past three days I took the liner out and have yet to put it back in.

If I were to get new boots, assuming that they fit me, what brand is most reputable?
 
13606824:Mr.Penguin said:
Sounds like your liners are heavily packed out, new liners would be a good place to start. A new tongue won't really help you feel more connected to the boot. You should take them back to the fitter and voice your concerns, they can shim the boots and add pads to the liner for a quick fix to take up the volume lost from the liners packing out. To get something like that done at my local fitter would run around $40.

Probably a stupid question, but are you drying your liners separate from your shells and then putting them back together and buckling the boot to store them? Leaving them unbuckled causes the shells to lose their shape.
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I just bought new Full Tilt Pro liners at the end of last winter. I’ve had a total of 15 days or less on them, I don’t think they would pack out that quick. I’ll heat mold them. I usually bring them in to get heat molded but could i just do this at home? How hard could it be?

I always buckle the boots back up, although of the past three days I took the liner out and have yet to put it back in.

If I were to get new boots, assuming that they fit me, what brand is most reputable?
 
13606830:fuckmekevin said:
I just bought new Full Tilt Pro liners at the end of last winter. I’ve had a total of 15 days or less on them, I don’t think they would pack out that quick. I’ll heat mold them. I usually bring them in to get heat molded but could i just do this at home? How hard could it be?

I always buckle the boots back up, although of the past three days I took the liner out and have yet to put it back in.

If I were to get new boots, assuming that they fit me, what brand is most reputable?
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If you overcook the liners you'll ruin them. If you haven't molded them at all, that could play a part in your feeling of insecurity inside the boots.

As far as new boots go, the best boot is the boot that fits your feet and needs the best. There's a ton of good options out there, and here on NS you'll get a bunch of different opinions. It sounds like you have access to a respectable fitter, so I would consult them. Just be honest about your experiences in your full tilts, and try to remain as unbiased as you can. The more information you give the fitter the better results you will get.
 
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