Fucking Abortion

I think it depends, like inside the body vs outside the body, I'm pretty sure it's 5 days inside the body: emergency contraceptive is effective up to 5 days after unprotected sex (the hormone booster, not the burn out your insides type deal), but MOST effective up to three days afterwards, which means you can still become pregnant (if you're not already, but HIGHLY unlikely). Don't quote me on this though, I'd have to get out a medical journal on that and look it up to be sure.
 
First and most importantly, JD is right, this is a moral issue and not scientific. If you want to get technical, once fertilization occurs (a haploid sperm + a haploid egg cell come together to form a diploid zygote with 46 chromosomes) that zygote has the equivilent DNA of a fully developed human.

But everyone that is not pro-choice must put themselves in the place of a pregnant woman. Pregancy is not simply "having the baby". The consequences of having a child when a woman is not "ready" are devastating to the woman and the child. You must understand that a woman's body will be physically altered for 40 weeks. Often young girls can even be physically harmed by the pregancy. Smaller girls have know to have longterm lower back problems for example.

Following those 40 weeks a woman must give birth. Something that we as men cannot even comprehend. I was present when my sister gave birth. Many people will say that they know what it is like, but it's completely different when you are there in person. Even with the medical advances of today, it is still extremely painful and stressful. If i had time I'd scan the hormone chart from my human phys textbook. It is the highest level of hormones ever active in the body at one time. Not to mention that many girls that aren't "ready" are more likely to have a cesarean section.

Complications during birth can risk the life of the mother and the child. Even after the birth, the mother is physically disabled for a time period. And this does not even touch on the social aspects of the birth.

I love the idiot that mentioned puting the child up for adoption. As of September 2003, over 500,000 children were left in temporary foster care in the US alone. That does not even include the ones not in foster care, that are living in orphanages.

http://faq.acf.hhs.gov/cgi-bin/acfrightnow.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_sid=GkEhnZ5i&p_lva=&p_faqid=47&p_created=1001634224&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9OSZwX2NhdF9sdmwxPTEwJnBfY2F0X2x2bDI9MTUmcF9wYWdlPTE*&p_li=

Another problem facing the adoption issue is the mass amounts of foreign adoptions.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=adoption&spell=1

Foster care is never good for these children. Most simply bounce around from home to home. This is because some parents aren't willing to fully adopt a child.

Getting back to the effects of the birth on the mother. Here is a very good analysis:

http://www.brook.edu/comm/policybriefs/pb05.htm

Statistics show that the mother and child will both most likely suffer the reprocussions of the birth for the rest of their lives. When a young girl become pregant out of wedlock, she normally has to take a break from highschool or college. Sadly a lot of the time many never go back to finish, quite frankly because they can't. They have the financial responsibility of caring for a child. Also, a birth out of wedlock often cause a great rift between the mother and her family.

And most of the time the father has limited involvement. The journal above about "shotgun marriages" is very interesting.

This is why it should be the woman's right to choose. The effect on men is practically nothing compared to that of the mother. I'm sorry if I put society and statistics ahead of the bible. Have fun in heaven I guess.
 
That was probably me.

Pretty much what I was trying to say is that if you're not willing to take precautions such as a condom and/or birth control, then you should live with the consequences. Don't take it out on the (fetus,child,zygote). Human or not, there's potential life.

And I'm not advocating "no sex," 'cause that's just plain silly.

I'm just believe that people today, teenagers and adults alike, do not fully consider their actions and look for the easy way out.
 
And when I say "actions," I mean actions that are of their own choice. Cases of rape, incest or examples of the mother's life (health wise) being in jeopardy, then I fully support it.
 
No, I'm just saying that people shouldn't be stupid and take precautions to prevent pregnancy, not deal with the effects of a stupid decision. Proactive instead of Reactive.

And I think it would be ok for the mother to have an abortion if: It's a result of rape or incest (sex against her choice) or if by carrying the child to term, it would put the mother's life at risk (i.e. Death).
 
In all my treads I was trying to provide a point, counter point, type of decussion.

Although I am highly against abortion I could really give a shit if some under age or drug addicted moron kills their fetus. Call me hartless but its the same way that I could care less if a fire bomb kills a bunch of towell heads in Iraq. Monkey sphere again.

I dont know how people can say that its not a person till it is born. If a person were to shoot a mother and later they found she was pregnant he would be convicted of double murder. It is a double standard in our own goverment.

I dont give a shit that it is still part of her body, soon she will be giving birth and it will be a person. It is a very unique situation and there is nothing like it in the american legal system.

Bottom line. Abortion is killing and killing is wrong. Maby a law that makes mothers that get an abortion attend some type of program that educates them on what they have just done and maby make them pay back to society for what they have done.
 
yea i think thats its a choice that should be made by the mother, people say its murder, but we cant even take care of the people that are allready on the planet, let alone the ones to come
 
i htink there should be abortion because people that fuck up and cant afford to have children and arnt responsible and relize that, dont have to screw their life to take care of a child...plus it anint even a child its just a microsopic pievce of nothing
 
Is that the thing where you don't have to care about people far away from you? I think I've heard of it but I'm not sure. Anyhow that's no excuse. It's also very hypocritical if I'm understanding it right. How can you not care about actual human beings suffering terrible deaths for no reason, but so strongly oppose the killing of a bunch of cells?
 
la femme fetal - Digable Planets

It was 8:49 on a beautiful 9th day of july

There was not a cloud to speak of so the orange sun hung

Lonely in the sky

I was laying prone in my ?catbeat? home

Listening to fine nappy jackie and his jazzcat's horn

Sliding in a tape of bird on verve when suddenly rang my phone

Hello butterfly , a voice said

Slip on some duds comb out your fro and slide on down to my pad

The vibe here is very pleasant and i truly request your presence

A problem of great magnitude has arose

And as we speak it grows

Damn, what could it be i thought

A juice i bought and rolled on down to her pad

Seeing bros i know slapping fives i arrived and pressed G-5

And there was nikki

Lookin some kind of sad with tears fallin from her eyes

She sat me down

And dug my frown and began to run it down

"You remember my boyfriend sid that fly kid who i love

Well our love was often a verb and spontaneity has brought a third

But do to our youth an economic state we wish to terminate

About this we don't feel great , but baby that's how it is

But the feds have dissed me

They ignore and dismiss

And the pro-lifers harrass me outside the clinic

And call me a murderer, now that's hate

So needless to say we're in a mental state of debate"

Hey beautiful bird i said digging her somber mood

The fascists are some heavy dudes

They don't really give a damn about life

They just don't want a woman to

Control her body or have the right to choose

But baby that ain't nothin

They just want a male finger on the button

Because if you say war they will send them to die by the score

Aborting mission should be your volition

But if souter and thomas have their way

You'll be standing in line unable to get welfare while they're out

Hunting and fishing

It has always been around it will always have a niche

But they'll make it a privelege not a right

Accessible only to the rich

Pro-lifers should dig themselves

Cause life doesn't stop after birth

And to a child borne to the unprepared

It might even just get worse

Supporters of the h-bomb and fire bombing clinic

What type of shit is that? orwellian in fact

If roe v wade was overturned would not the desire remain intact

Leaving young girls to risk their healths

And doctors to botch and watch as they kill themselves

I don't want to sound macabre

But hey, isn't it my job

To lay it on the masses and get them off their asses

To fight against these fascists

So whatever you decide make that move with pride

Sid will be there (ladybug will be there, doodlebug will be there)

And so will i

An insect til i die

Rhythms and sounds

Spinning around

Confrontations

Across the nation

Your block

My block

Dreadlocks

What a shock

Land of the free - but not me
 
The only answer:

If it's not you're baby, if it's not your life, it's not your choice.

Same with the gay marriage issue. People need to mind their own personal business, and stop thinking they have the right to interfere with other people lives.
 
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