Fucked over.

Blindsurfer

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it's a sad fuckin reality, but it's one I've just came to terms with. Basically, there will not be a mass-produced cure for AIDS, cancer, or any other debilitating disease that is treated by medication. The reason is that a cure is a massive loss of profit for large pharmaceutical corporations. My cousin works for some big company that makes medication for AIDS victims. I've talked to her about this whole issue, and she has told me that the company doesn't even want to research a permanent cure. They have all the funding they need, they have all the resources they need for research, and yet they won't even try. Think about it. You're selling lemonade for a dollar per glass. Would you rather make the most amazing lemonade in the universe that would satisfy someone forever? Or would you want to make an alright lemonade, but good enough so that people come back to buy more? My mom had breast cancer, and now has to take Tamoxifen for the rest of her life to keep the cancer away. I live in Canada, so it's free, but in the US, that would end up costing a fuckload, because that shit adds up. If a permanent cure for a disease like AIDS was made, corporations would lose a lot of money, billions of dollars.

That's about all I have to say.
 
Dude, several groups are trying to cure these diseases. Goverments, drug companies, independent research groups. Just because one pharmaceutical company isn't, doesn't mean no one is. /thread.
 
Realized this like 3 months ago....People are fucked up, valuing money over millions of lives. I wish I had the talent in science to go do something about this.
 
That's just leukemia, and "breakthrough" means they just discovered it and have no idea of any possible side effects and if it will even work for everyone
 
Heart dysfunction eh? but that's ok cause it resolved itself after just a few weeks. Cause it's ok for your heart to not work properly for a few weeks. sign me up!
 
people care to much about money. we should make an undercover NS task force that gives every researcher who is doing this cancer, aids stuff so they have to save themselves and make a permenent cure.
 
Not only the money issue, but if they came out with a cure for cancer I think there would be huge riots because it would be in such demand.
 
what if the cost of the cure required was so expensive you paid it off over 20 or 30 years? similar to getting a mortgage on a house? the drug companies would still be getting your money over an extended period of time, possibly getting them more income where the alternative would be not curing you and only getting your money until you died 5-10 years later from the disease they would't try to cure
 
You must literally be retarded.

Because your cousin works for a big company that 'makes medication for AIDS patients'. You mean he hands out the mail there and is qualified to make claim that they aren't pushing for substantial efficacy improvement, just incremental ones?

You sounds like a 19 year old kid in a general ed class that I would slap in the face.

 
Yea so last year in my university newspaper there was an article on how our pharmacy research lab someone pretty much figured out a pill that could stop cancer. They were testing it on rats and was working. I have not heard anything since.............

Either way, a sick as it sounds, we need a little population control.
 
I dont want to sound like a douche but if all the dieases where cured the world would become even more overpopulated and would eventuly become a polluted shit hole. Disease is natures way of regulating population.
 
You didn't provide any sources to back up your argument, just assumptions. You assume that if a pharmaceutical corporation were to start developing an AIDS drug tomorrow they could come up with some cure like it was nothing. Research and development is expensive. Everyone blames big pharma for making huge profits, but the reality is they had to spend massive amounts to get there. They took a risk. What if they put in all that money and the drug didn't work? It actually happens all the time, but you never hear about that on the news. How are the pharmaceutical corporations fucking us over by saving millions of lives every year? Are they supposed to put forward all the capital, all the risk, but receive none of the reward? Where would be the incentive to develop any new medical technology? Think about that for a little bit. And by the way, Apple is now the worlds most valuable corporation so why don't you go make a rant thread about them. You think Steve Jobs hasn't thrown anybody under the bus on his way to the top?...All that being said I do wish your mom the best, I've been personally affected by cancer as well.
 
Thought this was relevant.

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I got kicked out of class in grade 9 because I refused to bring home this thing to collect money for cancer. I told my teacher I didn't think the money was going to cancer research.
 
http://www.economist.com/node/18774722

Thirty years of a disease

The end of AIDS?

Thirty years on, it looks as though the plague can now be beaten, if the world has the will to do so



Jun 2nd 2011 | from the print edition

ON JUNE 5th 1981 America’s Centres for Disease Control and Prevention

reported the outbreak of an unusual form of pneumonia in Los Angeles.

When, a few weeks later, its scientists noticed a similar cluster of a

rare cancer called Kaposi’s sarcoma in San Francisco, they suspected

that something strange and serious was afoot. That something was AIDS.

Since then, 25m people have died from AIDS and another 34m are

infected. The 30th anniversary of the disease’s discovery has been taken

by many as an occasion for hand-wringing. Yet the war on AIDS is going

far better than anyone dared hope. A decade ago, half of the people in

several southern African countries were expected to die of AIDS. Now,

the death rate is dropping. In 2005 the disease killed 2.1m people. In

2009, the most recent year for which data are available, the number was

1.8m. Some 5m lives have already been saved by drug treatment. In 33 of

the worst-affected countries the rate of new infections is down by 25%

or more from its peak.



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Even more hopeful is a recent study which suggests that the drugs used to treat AIDS may also stop its transmission (see article).

If that proves true, the drugs could achieve much of what a vaccine

would. The question for the world will no longer be whether it can wipe

out the plague, but whether it is prepared to pay the price.

The appliance of science

If AIDS is defeated, it will be thanks to an alliance of science,

activism and altruism. The science has come from the world’s

pharmaceutical companies, which leapt on the problem. In 1996 a batch of

similar drugs, all of them inhibiting the activity of one of the AIDS

virus’s crucial enzymes, appeared almost simultaneously. The effect was

miraculous, if you (or your government) could afford the $15,000 a year

that those drugs cost when they first came on the market.

Much of the activism came from rich-world gays. Having badgered drug

companies into creating the new medicines, the activists bullied them

into dropping the price. That would have happened anyway, but activism

made it happen faster.

The altruism was aroused as it became clear by the mid-1990s that

AIDS was not just a rich-world disease. Three-quarters of those affected

were—and still are—in Africa. Unlike most infections, which strike

children and the elderly, AIDS hits the most productive members of

society: businessmen, civil servants, engineers, teachers, doctors,

nurses. Thanks to an enormous effort by Western philanthropists and some

politicians (this is one area where even the left should give credit to

George Bush junior), a series of programmes has brought drugs to those

infected.

The result is patchy. Not enough people—some 6.6m of the 16m who

would most quickly benefit—are getting the drugs. And the pills are not a

cure. Stop taking them, and the virus bounces back. But it is a huge

step forward from ten years ago.

What can science offer now? A few people’s immune systems control the

disease naturally (which suggests a vaccine might be possible) and

antibodies have been discovered that neutralise the virus (and might

thus form the basis of AIDS-clearing drugs). But a cure still seems a

long way off. Prevention is, for the moment, the better bet.

There are various ways to stop people getting the disease in the

first place. Nagging them to use condoms and to sleep around less does

have some effect. Circumcision helps to protect men. A vaginal

microbicide (none exists, but at least one trial has gone well) could

protect women. The new hope centres on the idea of combining treatment

with prevention.

A question of money

In the early days scientists were often attacked by activists for

being more concerned with trying to prevent the epidemic spreading than

treating the affected. Now it seems that treatment and prevention will

come in the same pill. If you can stop the virus reproducing in

someone’s body, you not only save his life, you also reduce the number

of viruses for him to pass on. Get enough people on drugs and it would

be like vaccinating them: the chain of transmission would be broken.

That is a huge task. It is not just a matter of bringing in those who

should already be on the drugs (the 16m who show symptoms or whose

immune systems are critically weak). To prevent transmission, treatment

would in theory need to be expanded to all the 34m people infected with

the disease. That would mean more effective screening (which is planned

already), and also a willingness by those without the symptoms to be

treated. That willingness might be there, though, if it would protect

people’s uninfected lovers.

Such a programme would take years and also cost a lot of money. About

$16 billion a year is spent on AIDS in poor and middle-income

countries. Half is generated locally and half is foreign aid. A report

in this week’s Lancet suggests a carefully crafted mixture of

approaches that does not involve treating all those without symptoms

would bring great benefit for not much more than this—a peak of $22

billion in 2015, and a fall thereafter. Moreover, most of the extra

spending would be offset by savings on the treatment of those who would

have been infected, but were not—some 12m people, if the boffins have

done their sums right. At $500 per person per year, the benefits would

far outweigh the costs in purely economic terms; though donors will need

to compare the gain from spending more on knocking out AIDS against

other worthy causes, such as eliminating malaria (see article).

For the moment, the struggle is to stop some rich countries giving

less. The Netherlands and Spain are cutting their contributions to the

Global Fund, one of the two main distributors of the life-saving drugs

(the other is Mr Bush’s brainchild, PEPFAR), and Italy has stopped

paying altogether.

On June 8th the United Nations meets to discuss what to do next.

Those who see the UN as a mere talking-shop should remember that its

first meeting on AIDS launched the Global Fund. It is still a long haul.

But AIDS can be beaten. A plague that 30 years ago was blamed on man’s

iniquity has ended up showing him in a better, more inventive and

generous light.

 
If you actually understood the nature of cabncer youd realize that a true cure is far far beyond our raeach~
 
Chemotherapy has a success rate of 2 percent? I question that statement, what are you defining as success?~
 
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