Fuck people who say "Fuck the switch 10"

simmers

simmers

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Many of the switch tens going down at the X Games were as stylie as the styliest of switch sevens. TJ's, for instance, was one of the sickest tricks I have ever seen.

The people dogging on switch tens are the same people dogging on the Wilson Flip. This type of attitude begs the question, "what the fuck is it that you want to see?"

Big airs are about doing the hardest possible trick and making it look as good as possible. A ten is harder than a seven, so it is a better contest trick. Just shut the fuck up about the switch ten already.
 
i agree with you symms, tens are very hard and good contest tricks, but it gets boring to watch switch tens over and over agin, what we needed was more people like bushfield to try something original and different.
 
yeah, every year in moto x for example they are like, whats gonna win, the backflip, or the unknown, and then the unknown wins from time to time, we need an unknown to win, granted there is more room for unknowns with moto x, but still.
 
i'm hatin' on the cab 10s, but i'm lovin' wilson's double underflip. wilson had the sickest segment of the year in TBC.
 
that comp got soooo repetitive i wanted to cry and that isnt what skiing is about. i mean i would have loved to see someone go for a double invert(rory is the man) or at least something more creative that a sw10. i think some people just feel betrayed that every single person threw one when all we wanted to see was our top pros showing how the world of skiing is progressing and isnt restricted within one trick
 
Bushfield was a pimp, but he couldn't stomp it. I was the most stoked to see that shit. It is definitely a shame that he didn't land, because then NS could be flaming with arguments about who should have won.
 
I loved A few of the swtich 10s. Schillers make me vomit in my mouth it was so sick. And the whole time i was like "i wish wilson was in there to give it some diversity". I love the switch 10 as a trick... but i don't like seeing everyone do it. The whole contest revolved around it. No doubt Schiller deserved to win.... it just wasn't that fun of a contest to watch. I like Rainvills cork 3. it mixed it up.
 
it's not so much people arn't saying the switch 10's arn't sick, and a decent amount of them are stylie.

In fact i don't think ever in my life would i see a switch 1440 that was stylie, but tj proved me wrong.

What the problem is, is when you have a competetion and of the 40 jumps, 24 were switch 10s, and all skiers in the top ten threw a switch 10. That gets a little fucking boring no matter how sick there switch tens are. No one wants to see a lame ass spin to win contest, been judged by a group of people that would have scored a switch 1260 higher then tj's switch 1080 even if it wasn't as stylish but he still grabed and landed with touching down, i think we have a fucking problem.

And that is what the majority of people are upset with.
 
Yea man, what I didn't like was that the guys just did what the judges told them to, even though they were getting fucked out of a stellar course while MotoX was getting resceduled (sp). They should have all just strait aired it, and no, a sw7 like Simon or Jacob threw is not easier than TJ's sw10 high mute, a trick that he's been throwing for three years now. That comp was fucking boring.
 
well the skiers were throwing down the trick that they knew the judges would score highest.

blame the judges for not giving more CREATIVE points.

but still a switch 10 is hard, deserves a highscore, and once one person gets a high score for it, you cant just give lower scores to other switch 10ers, just becasue they didnt go first with it
 
also your comment about "Big airs are about doing the hardest possible trick"

This is why we praise bushfield for going for the switch double back. That's a hard and ballsy ass trick, and at least it wasn't another switch 10 which the other 6 riders before him threw.

You can make big difficult tricks stylie, but let's see some creativty and orginal shit going on. Like webster double grab, and olenik and gangiers unnaty 10's.
 
im not condemning switch 10's. they have their place, in a big air. the best trick contest should be about doing the best trick/with best style, and innovation. i agree that some of the cab 10s looked real nice, but they get repetitive.
 
i never said that Bushy's double back wasn't dope. In fact, I think that it was the dopest trick of the whole contest. Don't you agree, though, that somebody should land clean -- keep their skis on, perhaps -- in order to win a contest?
 
double back...exactly.

dope trick.....yup.

skis on....you bet.

tj stomped the shit outta that 1080, no one deny that that.
 
If you can make a sw 10 look as good as a sw 7, what would you choose to impress the judges? Sorry guys, but the guys doing the switch 1080's were there trying to get first place, its what the judges were looking for. I do give props to bushfield for going big with the huge switch double backflip. Atleast it was a trick that had a chance at taking top 3 unlike a "stylie" 360 that only impressed all the kids at ns.

Don't hate on the riders, they're doing what they need to to win.
 
I agree, in context of a big air, but you have to admit, sw 10 after sw 10 does get boring even if they stomp the shit out of them.
 
one of the reasons sw 10s are getting boring is cause average skiers like myself can alsmot do, i have sw 7s and 9s dialed, and if u give me a bigger jump like the 65 footer they had in the comp i could probably be right in there with a nice sw 10
 
exactly.. correct me if im wrong, but a straight 360 is easier than a corked 360, and less stylish, so why didnt any of them get some inversion?
 
i can't figure out if its a fad to say that switch 10s suck or that everyone who says that is dead serious because i haven't heard one legit reason to hate the switch 10. also, you are taking away from the athletes by saying the tricks they threw sucked, thats not kosh. but they probably don't care because the winners just won a lot of money for throwing a trick you for some reason don't like.
 
the sw 10s were jsut old... people stoped getting creative. They knew that a sw10 would win, and didnt really show their own style in it. Great skiing but no originaility
 
and the problem with diversity is that if people start throwing switch 10s, then everyone is going to have to step it up and throw switch 10s beacuse that was what was setting the bench mark. so if someone goes out and throws a 7 or a 5 they aren't going to beat someone that throws a perfect switch 10 like tj did because the 10 and more rotations and he stomped it like they were stomping their 7s, so why waste their time with smaller spins?
 
wouldn't the fact that they were doing a switch 10 mean they were putting their own style on it? each one looked different to me thats for sure.
 
yeahwell tahts why its not really a problem for the skiers, or even the judges,

It just entertainment issues mostly. IO think its becasue if you go to like an AM comp or smaller type or something you see good skkiers, and some less good skiers, and the less good skiers may do smaller tricks but they just put their all into it, and they're own style to littler tricks

so there is nothign wrong with all sw 10s but its just ... pros doing sw10s..

and they sure are talented, but it jsut felt like it was forced.. like a "Who can do the best sw10" contest
 
I have no problem with someone winning a comp with a switch 10 like TJ's. It's just that I'd like to see some more variation in the tricks being thrown across the board - 24 out of 40 jumps were switch 10's. Maybe the jump was too small and that could have partly been the cause.

But what about say a switch rodeo or misty 10? Or a d-spin? Just something different that is also difficult enough to win the comp? Inverted stuff seems to be out or something. What about something with a shifty? Zero spin? Would have been fun to see some of that....
 
Best trick comps are what suck really. It wasnt planned to be a best trick comp either they just did what they could. Although it was very boring to see sw 10 after sw 10
 
I stopped reading about 1/2 way through, but here's my thoughts:

Sw. tens are hard, yes absolutly. TJ made his look pimp as hell, no denying it. However, for the last 2 years, this has been the only trick people throw in comps. I am completely bored with seeing that trick. Candide had a dope inverted 10, I was siked to see that. However, there are a few other tricks that could be thrown given the skiers involed have the creativity. Rory's sw. double back was an great example, I loved that. Sw. 1440, same, that's a super tech, stylied trick and you can't hate on it. However, I will be honest and say that I would MUCH rather see a stylie sw. 7, or hell, even a sw. 9 corked out in every way possible, tweaked with some new grab all crazy and shit, then another sw. 10.

This is the biggest stage skiing gets, and two years now, the 'money' trick is the same damn trick. It's sad, I used to watch teh x-games big air back in the day and see tons of new shit that I'd never seen before. I watch Snowboarding big air comps and the same thing. Hell, I see a few skiing ones where there is actually some progression beyond a copy and pasted sw. 10 (give or take the grab and style).

Why not try something real tech like, say, sw. cork 7 grab, shifty combo? or like something that won snowbaording big air a year or so ago, a 180 with ridiculous double shifty.

That's all i gotta say. I'm 100% sick of seeing sw. 10's thrown, no matter how long someone held the grab.
 
I don't agree with your basic premise. Maybe I see park skiing differently than you, but I don't think a comp is in any way about throwing the hardest possible trick... hell, a switch 2100 would probably pretty hard but I wouldn't want to watch it. To me it's ALL about making it look good, and the question for me is "what looks good" (which is obviously still a big question). I don't care how easy it would be for Pollard to come in and drop a shifty straight air, if he made it look better than the switch 10s (and don't think for one second it isn't possible), I'd give him the win... not that he'd compete but whatever. Remember that a good trick isn't supposed to make people think "oh man that looked so hard to do". In fact, the best practitioners of any discipline are the ones who make it look EASY. Park is no different. The problem isn't that switch 10s lick nuts. The problem is that no other trick would've won it unless it was a bigger huck, no matter how good it looked. It's not the atheletes' fault, it's the way the competition was set up that forced them to do one particular trick instead of getting creative and trying something different. "You try something different, you lose." And that's not okay. It's not the way the most publicized comp in the sport should go. It's a joke. And people have a right to be angry about it.

Though, really, in the end, Andy Mahre is right: the X games is basically just a TV show.
 
people need to get this in there heads ok. x-games is pretty much a huck show so u have to pull a sw 1080 or more to win. pro skiers dont make that much money so they have to do good in comps and rep the companys well so they will pay them alot of money. there arent really any "style"comps so dont expect for the pro skiers to be pulling shifty 180s 360's etc...(like the snowboarding ones). in teh x games. personally i really enjoyed TJ's sw 1080 the other ones like spence's, were really hucked which i did not like.
 
I want to see a cab 10 without a cross grab, thats all I ask, and make it look good. perhaps maybe a two handed grab, really hard to do, I couldn't but I betchya the big boys can.
 
im gonna have to agree. no matter what anyone does there is always someone that finds somthing wrong with it. "What the fuck is it that you want to see." If sombody does a dope cab 5 and wins, there is always gonna be people that disagree with the judges saying that it was "easy" to do or a different trick is more tech, difficult, or stylie.

there isnt really a good way to judge competittions. Right now cab 10s are the winning trick. I know if it was about winning mad cash dollar billz, i would def throw a cab 10 to win it.
 
But Gagnier was 2nd in the US Open Big Air last weekend with a switch misty 12....not all about the cab 10. Jump was probably too small for that trick though....
 
thats why there shouldnt be pro big air comps, because they are all so good and so equal in abilities that its to har dto judge. big air is only good when its like local because not everyone is the same goodness.
 
i just think its a joke they took away the slopestyle. thats what really grinds my gears. yeah the switch tens were getting boring after a while but its not like people werent trying other tricks. there were plenty of cab sevens and nines. jacob had probably the sickest trick if he would have stomped. its all the judging at this point. thats why we were seeing it so much. if you guys think that the riders care more about doing a sick cab cork five with style just to say they arent spinning to win you are crazy. most all of those guys wanted the gold and the nice bit of cash taht comes with it. thats not all (t-rain) but the majority are trying their hardest to win and the only way was a cab ten with a sick grab.
 
The thing with that competition was that it wasn't planned so they had a shitty jump (way too small) for a big air competition. There's no denying that switch tens are hard, but they get repetitive. It almost is starting to seem like moguls where you HAVE to do the cork 7 to win. If it comes down to who can do the best 10, the innovation is lost and it all becomes about the tiny details. I don't know how many times I heard the announcers say, "In a contest like this its all about the details." who cares about that shit? I'd rather take innovation any day of the week, and I sure as hell bet the average TV viewer would too.
 
First off, if the X Games are indeed just a TV show, then it was a boring-ass TV show.

When I think of what should win a comp, more specifically a freeskiing (freestyle, newschool, whatever the fuck you want to call it) comp, I think "what's the most innovative? What blows my mind?" JDub's grab blew my mind. Pep's pure steeze blew my mind. Rory's huck blew my mind. The switch 10s they were throwing didn't--and it's not hard to wonder why they didn't--nearly everyone who was attempting to conform to the judges criteria threw one.

Jon and Gagnier both stomped switch 10s in the X Games last year. TJ just threw a 1440. A switch tail 10 isn't that innovative, especially when the top finishers all threw the same trick. Our aspect of the sport was built on defying the rules and moving forward through innovation and everyone throwing the same shit to win a comp isn't innovative. It reminds of *gasp* the FIS or Olympics. The judging criteria shouldn't have been so narrow-minded.

And as JD said they were basically forced to throw switch 10s to win and that is not cool. Even if Rory would have stomped it he wouldn't have won.

This is just the way I see it. People are gonna have different opinions and no judge is going to please everyone, that's obvious. But having such constringent judging in a Big Air comp is contradictory in itself.
 
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