For you Bush supporters

in response to the media being biast posts.

the real full truth is never on TV, redardless of it being lefty, righty media.

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the real full truth is also never in the daily paper, news websites, or news magazines. i guess u just have to trust the very few sources that you must find or something.

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republicans make lots of generalizations, therefore i feel it is ok to make generalizations about them. mabey you are an exeption but I live around hicks and they tell me otherwise

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besides, did anyone read my longer post on the prevous page becuase the part about republicans being rascist (or whatever, I already forget) was not a very large point of mine. I want to hear somthing about how iraq is not gonna be another vietnam/iraq war of 1990.

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well, you also know what they say about two wrongs.... regardless of what other people do if you can avoid generalizations, cliches, rash speech and misspellings (thats one i struggle with) you will become far more credible overnight.

if you do someting stupid because other people are doing it, it doesnt become any less stupid...

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Republicans are steroetyped as being fat white men who are afraid of change, while Democrats are supposedly a bunch of whiny pussies. Don't generalize, it doesn't really accomplish anything and it just pisses people off.

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and about vietnam. how many years were we there? how many of our troops died? look at these questions, and you will see that the similarites between the two conflicts fade away.

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same thing to me, just ona samller scale. besids you never know how many more people we have pissed off! there will be plenty american hating terrorists by the time we are done

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theres already plenty of america hating terrorists. do these phrses ring a bell? world trade center 1992 kobar towers, u.s. kenyan embassy, uss cole, world trade centers 2001.... all of these were perpetrated by america hating terrorists before we went to war against them.

now name me the major terrorist attacks on the u.s. since we have gone to war against them... wait what? there havnt been any? weird huh...

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ya I know and all we are doing is making MORE! that is why people hate us, it is becuase we try to tell others what to do!

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jaross. you didnt get my point. answer the question, and perhaps you will see what i am getting at.

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yeah... that way maybe we could have been skimming from the oil for food program instead of kofi anan's kid... my earlier point was that we have not been attacked by terroists here since we went after them and decided to start killing them. appeasment doenst work with these guys. a blind man could see that. and the un doesnt do a thing about it, except come up with resolutions that never get enforced... alot of good the un ever did in somolia, or rwanda... thats rubbish.

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Wow, I'm amazed, because Freezy is actually really hardline right wing usually. Anewmorning, you weren't at the top of my list because it was alphabetical. I didn't want to imply that someone liked bush more than someone else because I don't really know, those people are just some who i remember seeing support the republicans. And for the record, I think that comparisons between Iraq and Vietnam are absolutely ridiculous. They're two totally different situations. This, of course, says nothing POSITIVE about the war effort in Iraq, only that it's absurd to attempt to draw parallels where there really are none. I had a question; Anewmorning, what does it say about the polyarchical system when you, a committed supporter of the elephant, find yourself making statements like 'I'll take the devil I know over the Devil I don't'? The most powerful nation on Earth, 300 million inhabitants, and we have NO GOOD OPTION to lead it? There's something wrong with the system, and people, I think, are losing faith in it... that would explain the progressively lower voting turnouts. Oh, also, I just wanted to clear something up... everyone knows that Fox news is a comedy network, right? That it's a big political satire? I'd hate to think that anyone was taking it too seriously. Some of the posts in this thread had me concerned. It is uproariously funny, though.

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ah, no system is perfect, not ours, not any. and to defend my little catch phrase back there, i was trying to imply that i am no worshiper of gwb. do i think the iraq situation is getting a little out of hand? yes. do i agree with the huge amount of spending that this admin is doing? might as well be a democrat thats in there burning dollars at the rate he goes. do i agree with the tax cuts? yes, but i would think that the admin would want to be a bit more consistant with their fiscal policy. what i mean to say is that i will take a few of bush's shortcomings if it means i wont have to see that joker kerry waltz into office on the vote of the suv burning nutjobs who only vote kerry because howard dean told them to. i have no desire to have kerry walk in, take credit for the impending economic upswing (the dollar doesnt stay weak for ever) and impose all sorts of things that i am opposed to (both policy wise and things that i am opposed to on moral grounds)

thats why i say it.

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^By moral grounds, do you mean religious grounds? 'Cause...church and state, man. I'm a firm believer, but I don't want religion anywhere NEAR the government, if that's what you're referring to. But yeah, the Bush Admin's fiscal policy may be a joke, but cut him some slack for being a wartime President. All wartime presidents' fiscal policies are pretty bad.

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and another little point that might be interesting here pretty soon... you make the point about having such a pool to draw from for out leadership, and yet there is a real potential to have this country led by not only the political elite, but two families for 20-24 years... if you start with bush 1 in 88, clinton1, then on to bush 2, if he gets reelected you know that hillary is eyeing the throne in 08. that could potentially happen, and run as long as eight year after that... that is worse than polyachy... thats dynasty.

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i was refering to religous issues, and i am not saying that i want to see a crucifix in the oval office, but i can certainly vote for the canidate that i feel will uphold what i see as values that are important to the betterment of society... that might be the number one factor for me actually...

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I see the secularization of political issues as of paramouhnt importance in the maintenance of a firm democracy. It's impossible to have a true democratic state in which the moral values of the leader, though I may agree with them, are held as superior to those of others for no discernible reason. This, I think, is becoming another problem with the system; just as partisanship has associated liberalism with the democratic party and so on, secularism is now becoming associated with liberalism. You might very well hear right wing talk radio hosts referring to someone's opinions as 'secular' in lieu of 'liberal'. It's a very slippery slope towards pseudo-theocracy, and then the U.S. is no better than a Christian version of the Taliban. Furthermore, if you are really devoutly Christian, then I would advise you, as well, to support an impassible line to be drawn between politics and religious ideas, because, as they say, if you dance with the devil, the devil won't change. The devil changes you. Politicians have no qualms about reinterpretation of religious matters to suit their political agendas in many cases, and to assume that that sort of thing will have no effect on the religious communities of the nation is preposterous. These are just a few reasons that the complete separation of Church and state is a sound principle.

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there is no way in hell there will be a draft, there are sumtin like 300,000 unused reservist plus all of the fulltime millitary that arnt currantly in iraq.

i posted this same thing in the other dumb post about there being a draft

 
Kerry's economic program is shite. Its easy to prove using econ 101. But I don;t like Bush's foregin policy too much, so what am I going to do. I'm going to wait gather facts and then vote for president. Plain and simple that how it goes

 
look jd... i think we are talking about two different things here. when one talks about the seperation of church and state, one must remember that the original purpose of that idea was to prevent there from ever being a 'church of america' where everyone had to go. it was a way to eliminate state sponsored religion, thus ensuring total freedom of religion for the citizens of this country. 'seperation of church and state' has since become a battle call for 'liberal secularists' or whatever you might want to call them. they (the secularists, from whatever party they be) would love nothing more than to eliminate any mention of religion from the public arena. weather that be the elimination of the phrase 'under god' in the pledge of aligence, suddenly deciding that religious representations that have stood for decades are all of a sudden 'unconstitutional' or in most cases, it comes down to demonizing any person of faith who might have the audacity to run for public office. if i am going to vote for a canidate i am going to vote with the one that i think will be best for the country. for example, i dont support unequvicated abortion or homosexual 'marrige'. i hold these views largely in part because of my religious persuasion, but it also is a matter of common sense, and other things. i just dont think that thoses things are good for the country. regardless of where i got these views from, i think theyre important, and i will base my vote on those issues. (as well as others) but to say that a leader cannot be a person of faith, or that we ought not vote according to our convictions, then i think you are asking a bit much.

a major theme that has crept into our society, to its detriment i think, since the sixties, is the idea that there is no moral athority, and that there is no right or wrong. there is no black and white... its all grey area. this kind of thinking has led to an entire generation with the 'im okay youre okay' attitude. people have adopted the idea that we shouldnt legislate morality. this, of couse is a falacy. i dont necissarily care were this defining might take place, but i see it as a detriment to society. the ideas of facilitation and appeasement are going to lead to the downfall of society in the end.

anyhow, thats that as far as church and state go. i hold with the founding fathers that there should be no 'church of america', and no state endorsed religion, but the current incarnation and missuse of this idea has gotten out of hand.

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what could you possibly be 'morally' against in Kerry that you aren't in Bush? Bush is about the most morally devoid president we've had in the last 100ys. At least Kerry has a sense of morals, albiet a small sense.

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Kyoto Protocool - INTERNATIONAL LAW making sure Countries produce only so much pollution

United States of (world) America - Biggest Supplier of Pollution to free World (aka Canada)

and complete rejecter of the Kyoto Protocool (rejection signed by George Dubya Bush)

Scientists are warning us NOW that even as close as 2010 that skiing seasons will be noticeably different as we will no longer have the correct temperatures to have the snow stay frozen and on the hill. So Bush backed out of this Protocool to make humans stop polluting so much, the rest of the world pretty much as signed this, but basically the US is going to kill the SKI Industry if it doesnt sign this, but who knows maybe this protocool isnt even real and just around for us little people to think its helping us.

 
The reason that the administration backed out of Kyoto actually has some merit to it from an enviromental point of view. The protocol has insufficient methods of calculating the polution produced by individual countries and (like the WTO), lacks the power necessary to punish nations in violation of the treaty. Essentially, the US would be subjecting itself to regulations that would more than likely not be enforced in many signatory nations.

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HOLEY SHIT! ok, look at how often we get attacked by terrorists and I think you will see how stoopid that analogy is. (mabey every 2 years at most)

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terrorists are willing to die for their cause, they don't get scared or intregued (sp?)

and Freezy, I am glad you realize this!

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FYI: More than twice the number of troops died in Vietnam in the worst week than in the whole time we have been in Iraq... 429 days in Iraq as of this post compared to 11 years in Vietnam.

58,226 Americans died in the vietnam war.

727 have died so far in Iraq.

More than twice the number of total killed in Iraq died of illness not related to the fighting in vietnam.

'During the Vietnam War the national debt increased by $146 billion (1967-1973). Adjusted for inflation, the debt in 1992 dollars was $500 billion.'
http://lunaville.org/warcasualties/Summary.aspx

BASICALLY DONT FUCKING COMPARE IRAQ TO VIETNAM YOU STUPID LEFTIST BASTERDS.

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the most morally devoid president? how silly do you look making that claim when an admitted adulterer just left office? or does that no longer equal immoral in todays world? come on now. i explained what i meant in my above post, so if you cant figure it out from there, then whatever.

i am still trying to figure out what jaross is constantly freaking out about.

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People have been saying that bush's lies are tearing this country apart. I would like you to point out some of his lies and explain how they tear this country apart. How are his lies compared to clintons.

I dont know why people think that bushs tax cuts are only for the rich. The tax cuts are exactly the same because they are based on percent. Therefore, if you are very poor or rich, you will still pay the same percent of your money. Rich people end up paying a lot because their percent is a lot more money than a poor persons.

 
and wether terrorists get 'intreagued' or not is none of my concern. you need to log off of moveon.org and into reality. look how often the terrorists attack us... yeah. that was before we decided to go after them. since then? oh, no terrorist attacks on america. look jaross, we arent going to kill em with kindness, and milk and cookies arent going get them to change their mind.

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now, now, lets not discourge the young man. i am kind of fond of his all-caps-outbursts that invariably begin each of his posts.

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bush is an idiot

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ok, there has been about 1 terrorist attempt at attacking the us per 2 years. well I suppose they are buisy now protecting their own truf. but they are still killing peoople. you might say that that 7 hundred somthing men who were in the army who died we killed from a terrorist attack and while that doesn;t compare to the 3k people who died during sept 11, it is still a fair amount if you look at what ather terrorism attacks have killed. the thing is, we started somthing that isn;t gonna be finished for a damn long time! we have pissed millions of people off and untill they are either killed or somehow pursuaded, they won;t like the USA. that is why I am not willing to help out my country! becuase if it would have been my desicision, we would not have gone into iraq and therefor, not as many people would hate us. it doesn;t matter though, I plan to more to canada (or austrailia or NZ or Switzerland or denmark or Icland or Greenland) or any other place better then the US and that doesn;t have as much people pissed of at it as a country

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Being an adulterer is nothing compared to what Bush has done. Honestly, how can you compare the two? I am talking about isolating the US from the rest of the world, spitting on the UN, supporting Isreal in their murder sprees, shallow ideal of what it means to be at war, his lack of tolerance for anyone different (ie homosexuals, arabs, etc.), his blatant spending of US money, his disreguard for human life. Now I know not all these are directly his fault, but they come from his cabinet and therefore he is partly responsible. I have some friends in Iraq and you know what phrase they dispise the most? You know what makes them hate their president? Do you understand why we are in Iraq? Here's what my friends know Bush by: 'Bring em on' How do you think that goes over with the soldiers living day and night in Iraq. We have a leader that treats war like its the 17th century. 'Bring em on' How about lying? Lying about Iraq's relation to the 9/11 bombings. Lying about WMD, lying about his military service, etc. etc. Jesus Christ! How can anyone defend this adminstration. It is going to take decades to repair the physical, moral, economical, and more importantly international damage it has cost. And thats providing we elect competent presidents over the next 16 yrs. Many people believe Bush is the 'crux of the empire' The point when a world power begins its decent. Happened with Rome, happened with the Mayans, China, Japan, England, France, Russia. There is always a turning point, no empire lasts forever. It is not unreasonable to think that Bush is the crux. 4 or 8 yrs is not long enough to destroy a country, but he definetly sown the seeds of demise. He has spent too much money on military and Iraq, spread our military too thin (He took unit from Korea!, the most dangerous place on earth, arguably), isolated the US in the international community, and changed the ideals of ignorant Americans to teach them it is OK to walk all over people that are different.

With the US removed from the international community, the disreguard he has for the UN and other countries calling for a break (France, Russia, etc.) he is setting the US up for disaster. No country can exist without connections to other countries. Other countries are not going to continue to support the US simply because 'we are so powerful, they need us' What about when we aren't powerful? Whats going to stop them from giving us the cold shoulder then?

THAT'S WHAT'S WRONG WITH BUSH AND HIS ADMIN.

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I am talking about isolating the US from the rest of the world

--How so? Because we didn't have full support in the war on Iraq means the rest of the world hates us? Interesting. I'm sure there is discontent with what we have done, but even Americans are showing that same discontent. Last I knew, even the french were making deals to 'get in' on Iraq.

spitting on the UN?

--I assume that you think we went to war without their support? The UN did give the US 100% support, but it was not official. That doesnt mean it was indirect either though. They just didn't give us the official UN stamp of approval, but they did support us. Christ man, the USA makes up for more than half of the UNs resources. What can you expect?

supporting Isreal in their murder sprees

--Isreal is a shit storm. I think the United States must recognize that Israeli security and Palestinian rights are not mutually exclusive but in fact mutually dependent on the other. Just as occupation and repression cannot justify terrorism, terrorism cannot justify occupation and repression. And we need to recognize that the Israelis will only find real security when Palestinians have a viable state.

shallow ideal of what it means to be at war

--How so? Do you always make claims without supporting them?

his lack of tolerance for anyone different (ie homosexuals, arabs, etc.), his blatant spending of US money, his disreguard for human life.

--He didn't change any laws, he just upheld them. How can you compare Arabs with Gays? Is homosexuality a race or were you being funny?

Disregard for human life eh?...seems to me like he has almost too much REgard for human life!

 
i feel bad for anybody who has to fight in this war because it is going to be like vietnam, and nobody's going to appreciate them because they were fighting for something half the country doesn't even believe in.

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first jarras- you are not really making sense in your ramblings.

Midwest- you say that what bush has done will take years to fix. What exactly has he done? Well he is the one fixing Iraq, which includes freeing the people from a tyrrant, and finding WMDs, which have been found, sarin gas. How can you argur that Bush lies. And then defend clinton, when it was clinton who lied under oath, this is against the law.

Bush did not lie about WMDs as evident from the sarin gas which has been found recently. There is also public knowledge of Saddam's nuclear weapons program. They have been working on that for decades, so we need to shut it dow, even if they dont have nuclear weapons already. Bush did not lie about 9/11 that was the media blowing the situation out of control in order to make bush look bad.

 
bush acted on intell, just as all other presidents have done. sometimes intell is correct and sometimes its not.

 
you guys hate Bush so much it seems as tho you'd perfer a president that would kill you and maime you if you talked like this to him. those gay little 'anybody but Bush' bumper stickers, make those douchers look like the biggest fool. you really, really mean anyone? so u mean hillary? you mean hitler? thats anybody if u ask me mmhmmmmm.

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Hellmut, FYI, Sarin Gas isn't a weapon of mass destruction... it was a few litres of a chemical. They found a canister of gas in an entire country? I'm sure you'd find a canister of something or other in any reasonably sized country, especially a middle-eastern one. Besides which, considering how old the stuff probably is, it may no longer be effective.

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You just answered your own questions. UN didn't officially support the US, French grudgingly agreeing with US, he is old fashioned in his ideals, non tolerant. I don't need to cite sources because this is all common knowledge. Sarin gas isnt a weapon of mass destruction. Powell admitted a few weeks ago that there were actually no WMD nor any plans to develop them. The only lead there was, was a commincation with a middleman in Kenya who could provide diamonds and uranium, but Iraq never went through with it because it was too risky. Clinton lying under oath about adultery and Bush lying to the public to cover his own ass in regards to intelligence in Iraq is completely different. What the fuck kind of argument was that? You need to understand the political system, the UN and the rest of the world are going along with the US now because there is no choice. Iraq has already happened. But this will stay with us for a long time, the US has a terrible reputation in the international community. I know this from being in many different countries recently. Just trust me on this? I am 22, I just graduated from a pretty prestigeous private college with a poli minor, history major. I am not flouting that or saying I am smarter or better than everyone, cause I'm not. But this is where I come from, the educated section of society. I was taught to criticize and try to be objective, and this is what the majority of my professors believe, the majority of smart people believe. It is not hard to see.

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what school did you graduate from? (not that it matters one way or the other, just curious) and havent we already been over the whole lying about the wmd's before? just in case you forgot, here is a quick recap... in the late 1990's there was one senator toracelli from new jersey who i beleive was on the senate intel committe. due to a recent death of an agent in south america, toracelli pushed through legislation to make it illigal for american inteligence agents on the ground to gain information from people with criminal records. as i am sure you could figure out, the people that can give you the most info on the bad guys are other bad guys. unfortunatly this action on behalf of a democratic senator compromised the effectiveness of americas intel agents. we became heavily reliant on satallite survailance and things like that. this drastic drop off in the effectivness of our intel capabilities can be pointed to when looking at all the terrorist attacks since 1998. (nirobi, uss cole, wtc 2001) this is also the intel system that was supplying this current admin with its information, and as i am sure you are well aware, president bush wasnt over there personally scouring the desert for wmd's. saddam refued all the un resolutions that dealt with arms inspections for 12 years. all of this seems pretty damning for saddam. at any rate, you know what has happened since, and you have drawn the conclusion that you have drawn. i have drawn a different one. i think youre point is a little paranoid, and a little exaggerated. you probably think my point is apethetic and pig-headed. it doesnt really matter, as i am guessing i am not going to sway you, and you certainly arent going to sway me. this is purely for entertainment's sake.

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So many things I want to comment on, so little time...

It's from a while back, but in response to this post from anewmorning:

'look how often the terrorists attack us... yeah. that was before we decided to go after them. since then? oh, no terrorist attacks on america'

What are you comparing here? The first major terrorist attack on American soil before 9/11 was the Oklahoma City bombing, which was perpetrated by non-Islamic American citizens. This argument only stands up if terrorist attacks occur on American soil on an average of less than every three years. And if you look at the number of terrorist attacks nationwide-- well, they certainly haven't decreased.

The ultimate problem is that we think we can make problems go away by using violence. Sadly, that is not the case. The past 2000 years have shown that violence only breeds violence. Besides, it's icky and it get gooey stuff all over everything.

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^Meanwhile, what to do now that the war's been started (and ended, sort of)? They can't just withdraw troops. It's bloody obvious that the war should never have happened; to say otherwise would be to contradict the Bush administration itself (who said they didn't think a war solely for the liberation of Iraqis was justified). But now, there's no sense in prattling on about how badly the administration has screwed up, someone has to come up with a plan about what to do now. Step one seems to be to fire the man (men, really, since it's certainly not Bush's fault alone, but keep in mind that he is responsible for his own decisions) who made the mistakes in the first place... but shortsightedness is an issue here. Suppose the U.S. rids itself of Bush II. What then? The whole situation is mangled. All this hindsight doesn't do much for anyone.

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with bush in office it makes the us look like a joke, nobody likes us anymore. kerry is alittle extreme but if it gets bush out of office he has my vote. and by the way, 9/11 had nothing to do with bombing thousands of innocent civillians it makes me sick how america thinks. yes they cut one of our own people heads off, yet we bomb a fucking school buss loaded with innocent civillians and woops our bad. AND NOBODY GIVES A SHIT. open your fucking eyes.

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