First camera?
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solitaryman
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canon 10 or 20D dont buy the newest models buy the good older models they're way better built and better fps and aperture blah blah blah.... and get good lenses.
RJD2
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Nikon d40 is the ultimate beginners SLR. It is cheap, has very good features and takes amazing pictures. The layout is also very simple, and has a wide array of utilities and examples on the screen itself to help you take better pics. The only downside is the limited lenses, and the low megapixels. but megapixels are not the most important thing, no matter what anyone tells you. I doubt you will be lowing up anything bigger than 8x10. No point and shoot camera is even close to as good as any dslr, just remember that.
pmills
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i'd argue that if you're getting into photography, start with a digital to get the basics down, then go to 35mm.
Digital will provide more shots at less cost. The more shooting you do, the more experience you get, the better you'll understand photography.
Once you understand basics of shooting, moving to film will give you the oppertunity to focus in on the aspects photography that are particular to film.
Digital will provide more shots at less cost. The more shooting you do, the more experience you get, the better you'll understand photography.
Once you understand basics of shooting, moving to film will give you the oppertunity to focus in on the aspects photography that are particular to film.
ShadyHillGroup
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i was talking with a bunch of my dad's photographers and all of them suggested the rebel xti, then put most of your money towards glass
FUUUCK
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I agree, film is a huge bitch to develop yourself, and digital lets you experiment and learn without the expense.
And once you know what you're doing you can get a half decent 35 on ebay for cheap.
A great SLR to start out with is a Pentax KD10, but I'd also look into Nikons or even Olympus.
And whatever you do, don't get a Canon.
And once you know what you're doing you can get a half decent 35 on ebay for cheap.
A great SLR to start out with is a Pentax KD10, but I'd also look into Nikons or even Olympus.
And whatever you do, don't get a Canon.
t-man152
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35mm film is dead. get a digital camera to learn by taking tons of pictures and be able to understand ISO, aperture, and shutter speed and their relationships to each other without having to buy tons of films and spending money on developing it to see your mistakes.
and back to 35mm being dead. digital SLR beats 35mm in every category quality, price, color, ease of use. name a category and DSLR has the upper hand. to compete with digital in film you have to go to medium format and that isnt just expensive, and harder to use its also heavier and harder to use for sports photography.
so now that we established that Digital SLR will give you the best of everything for learning choosing your camera is going to be up to you. everybody is going to tell you to get canon, to get Nikon, to get Sony ect.
do your research. what camera has the features you want, what camera has the system you would most like to buy into. once you buy a camera your stuck with that company unless your willing to throw away alot of money and start over with new lenses and new accessories.
the two main players are NIkon and Canon. their pretty much the same, depending on when you look into each comapany Nikon will have a better camera than Canon for 6 months followed by Canon having a better camera than Nikon for 6 months. it doesnt matter who you get their both great and you will have tons of things to choose from.
then there are a couple comapnies that are getting into the dSLR game such as:
Sony: they have a pretty full line of lenses and a decent amount of accessories for a company that didnt exist in this field a couple years ago.
Olympus: they have the worlds fastest autofocus. its really impressive I tried the E-3 out and its just instant. really cool especially for sports.
Pentax: very affordable with features perfect for ski photography. the cheapest weatherproof dSLR come from this company.
I personally just got a canon 40D, right now Nikon has the upper hand with the 300D which has many more features than the 40D the Nikon 300D has more megapixels, higher possible ISO, and tons of other features. but since ive used canon for a while trying to operate the Nikon was a real pain. nothing felt intuative but thats not Nikon's fault thats my fault. my friend who is a Nikon user has the exact same reaction when he touches a Canon camera. they do the same things but in differnt ways. and getting use to one way makes the other way seem unnatural.
feel free to ask any questions. I love talking tech stuff with people im a huge geek like that. (ohh and I dont think anyhting is hotter to a girl than a geek with a camera especially if you call yourself "photographer" or "aspiring photographer" instead of geek with a camera
and back to 35mm being dead. digital SLR beats 35mm in every category quality, price, color, ease of use. name a category and DSLR has the upper hand. to compete with digital in film you have to go to medium format and that isnt just expensive, and harder to use its also heavier and harder to use for sports photography.
so now that we established that Digital SLR will give you the best of everything for learning choosing your camera is going to be up to you. everybody is going to tell you to get canon, to get Nikon, to get Sony ect.
do your research. what camera has the features you want, what camera has the system you would most like to buy into. once you buy a camera your stuck with that company unless your willing to throw away alot of money and start over with new lenses and new accessories.
the two main players are NIkon and Canon. their pretty much the same, depending on when you look into each comapany Nikon will have a better camera than Canon for 6 months followed by Canon having a better camera than Nikon for 6 months. it doesnt matter who you get their both great and you will have tons of things to choose from.
then there are a couple comapnies that are getting into the dSLR game such as:
Sony: they have a pretty full line of lenses and a decent amount of accessories for a company that didnt exist in this field a couple years ago.
Olympus: they have the worlds fastest autofocus. its really impressive I tried the E-3 out and its just instant. really cool especially for sports.
Pentax: very affordable with features perfect for ski photography. the cheapest weatherproof dSLR come from this company.
I personally just got a canon 40D, right now Nikon has the upper hand with the 300D which has many more features than the 40D the Nikon 300D has more megapixels, higher possible ISO, and tons of other features. but since ive used canon for a while trying to operate the Nikon was a real pain. nothing felt intuative but thats not Nikon's fault thats my fault. my friend who is a Nikon user has the exact same reaction when he touches a Canon camera. they do the same things but in differnt ways. and getting use to one way makes the other way seem unnatural.
feel free to ask any questions. I love talking tech stuff with people im a huge geek like that. (ohh and I dont think anyhting is hotter to a girl than a geek with a camera especially if you call yourself "photographer" or "aspiring photographer" instead of geek with a camera
pmills
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^ decent post
i'd mention that if you're serious about getting into photography, even if it's your first camera, you will do better to start investing in the seatup you want to have for the next (lets say 10?) years. - Possibly look into finding full frame sensor cameras, or atleast stay away from "digital only" lenses that are designed for cropped sensors -- eventually things will be full framed
www.dpreview.com is a good resource
it is true that the top of the line digital cameras can play ball with film, but i wouldn't declare film dead. Digital can't fully replace film, i feel there is something deeper in photography than whatever the super mega uber digital camera can serve up... Digital camera's expand the field, but in no means cover it entirely.
i'd mention that if you're serious about getting into photography, even if it's your first camera, you will do better to start investing in the seatup you want to have for the next (lets say 10?) years. - Possibly look into finding full frame sensor cameras, or atleast stay away from "digital only" lenses that are designed for cropped sensors -- eventually things will be full framed
www.dpreview.com is a good resource
it is true that the top of the line digital cameras can play ball with film, but i wouldn't declare film dead. Digital can't fully replace film, i feel there is something deeper in photography than whatever the super mega uber digital camera can serve up... Digital camera's expand the field, but in no means cover it entirely.
ProducerXXX
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Word on the film.
But why are you steering him away from Canon with no rhyme or reason? If I had to do it all over again, I'd probably go with Nikon just because of the fact that my school uses Nikon equipment and I can easily borrow lenses, flashes, etc, but if my school used Canon, I would have no problem with that either.
Currently I have a Canon 20D (purchased before I knew my school used NIkon) and Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8 lens. I'd highly recommend the 20D over the Rebel XT, and probably the XTi (I've never used one, but it has the same feel as the XT). You can get used 20Ds on ebay for around $500, which IMO is a bargain considering I bought mine in August for $750.
As far as the Pentax goes, I used to shoot Pentax digital but their autofocus sucks balls. If I were you I'd probably stick with one of the big two due to availability of lenses and accessories and the fact that they're proven systems that you'll never outgrow.
But why are you steering him away from Canon with no rhyme or reason? If I had to do it all over again, I'd probably go with Nikon just because of the fact that my school uses Nikon equipment and I can easily borrow lenses, flashes, etc, but if my school used Canon, I would have no problem with that either.
Currently I have a Canon 20D (purchased before I knew my school used NIkon) and Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8 lens. I'd highly recommend the 20D over the Rebel XT, and probably the XTi (I've never used one, but it has the same feel as the XT). You can get used 20Ds on ebay for around $500, which IMO is a bargain considering I bought mine in August for $750.
As far as the Pentax goes, I used to shoot Pentax digital but their autofocus sucks balls. If I were you I'd probably stick with one of the big two due to availability of lenses and accessories and the fact that they're proven systems that you'll never outgrow.