Final Cut Pro X vs. Adobe Premier CS5.5

pretty much sums it up.

But if I had to choose between only those 2, premiere b/c you can set it up to replicate the FCP7 interface
 
Yeah, I would go with FCP 7 if I could, haha. But unfortunately it is obsolete and I'm not willing to torrent it. Therefore, I have to choose between these two.
 
Also, if anyone has a serial for premiere 5.5, it would be much appreciated if they could post it here.
 
Im curious, shy would anyone chose final cut 7 over cs5.5? I was recently forced to switch to 5.5 and i am in love. I think a lot of you swear by final cut and havnt even tried anything else or have any real reasons not to like other programs. 5.5 supports avchd, NATIVE dslr formats ( no converting dslr footage) direct integration with after effects.

Someone refute me? I just dont get why were so close minded and stick to a company that ripped us off.
 
Using raw avchd and h.264 from dslrs is fucking stupid. If you do it, cool, have fun when youre 8 core 32gb ram computer blows up after a year or two of using 200% of its processing power. Converting footage isn't a pain, its a standard workflow procedure. Apple pro res is fucking money and even if you use a dslr, an hvx, go pro, avchd or any other hd camera format you can convert them all to pro res and use them in the same timeline seamlessly. Pro res is definitely a reason people use fcp.

premier pro 5 is a good program, final cut pro 7 is a good program. They both do the same job and even though motion/color aren't as praised as AE, those programs are just as good. Its really whatever you are used to. No company ripped me off, i got a code from the company i work for/acquired it for free, just like 99% of the people our age who use fcp. Some people swear by adobe, some swear by final cut.

In the end, they both do the same thing and both work equally as good end of discussion.
 
I see what your saying about the processing but sometimes when editing hours of footage, its practical time wise not to convert. Plus the rendering system in 5.5 lets you watch your video even if not rendered so you can edit faster. Instead kf rendering to get the media not rendered screen out of the way. Plus when you do render, its faster. Also you can edit in 64 bit for good color blending. The advantages are just endless. Im saying all of this because i used to swear only fy fcp. And after trying adobe some more im impressed and taken away by our close mindedness
 
lol wut?

and it takes maybe an hr or two to convert footage, at the most. You have to label shit anyways so if you label and convert boom bomb two birds one stone. but, if you wanna keep running raw codecs go ahead.

fcp7 and premier cs5 do the same thing, neither is better than the other, its all what one prefers.
 
AE is awesome and im pretty sure everyone in here would choose that over motion for most projects but color is also pretty awesome and those are the two programs i use in my workflow with FCP 7, nothing against Premiere tho cuz i have never really used it although i can imagine Premiere to AE is a little smoother than FCP to AE, kinda like how FCP to motion and back is seamless
 
Yup. Why would I ever want to edit the native codec? Its garbage.

Transcoding is not a burdon whatsoever to me.

However, Adobe is waaay cheaper and equally as capable, so if you are actually paying for software and are in college, Adobe Premium is unbeatable (Premiere, After Effects, Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, Dreamweaver all for $450).
 
Picked up cs5.5 master collection from my college for like 350$, mind blowing! came with my program package.

Anyways, I've used premiere and final cut both a fair amount and they do pretty much the same thing, however i've heard from this video production company I used to work for and from one of my prof's that the industry is slowly trying to push final cut out and that apple wants to eliminate it within a couple years for premiere than you'd basically just need to snag the premium suite. anyone know if this is true or have any input? makes sense to me considering they do the same thing and generally if you're picking up premiere/final cut you'll probably want after effects as well.
 
"The industry" has been running Avid as a standard NLE/LE for years. Apple isn't being "pushed out" for Adobe.

What happened is that Apple's alter ego of professional video editing software was overrun by its other "consumer friendly" iPod half. Now FCP is iMovie pro. Apple pushed itself out.

Avid is still the standard, but Adobe has long been offering great stuff for the price. Hell, I'm really temped to pick up the master suite for AE alone. $450 for AE is already a steal, not to mention the thousands of dollars worth of other software that you get along with it. I still hate Premiere though. Awful, awful UI.
 
I think he means going forward. I have started using Premiere CS 5.5 and actually am finding things I like better than FCP 7.

Apple has made it pretty clear going forward that FCP X is there plan.

Going forward I'd choose Premiere Pro CS 5.5

Heck to make the transition even easier you can use the FCP 7 button layout.

I love FCP7. But going forward buying new Mac's to my understanding it won't even install on anything with Lion on it already. So you have to already have a Mac w/o Lion to keep using FCP7...I'm sure there is a work around though.

I'm learning Avid and PPCS5.5 to know all the platforms going forward since many are jumping ship on FCP7 as licenses expire.
 
While I like both and have really just recently started using both...I've liked 5.5 better. I still use ProRes and all, but I do feel like I'm editing faster...MUCH faster. Being able to preview something before Rendering it all the time is fantastic.'

Also already mentioned, not sure if people knew this, but you can configure your keyboard in AE CS5.5 to the same as FCP7, which is a great feature to have as people transition. Makes the switch over that much quicker. For my workplace we still use FCP 7. For my personal work going forward I'll be using Premiere Pro. Sure it's smart to edit in ProRes but I do like the freedom if I have to get something out right on the spot to beable to quickly cut something together rather than waiting for it to ProRes.

Looking into the future. CS5.5 has the ability to handle Raw .r3d 4K files which is an incredible feature as well.
 
I dread this day. Pretty soon our entire computers will become obsolete without Lion, at which point I'll be forced to "upgrade" and lose FCP7 functionality.

I think it's stupid that they wouldn't at least ALLOW us to use FCP7, albiet dated. It doesn't make any sense. Here's a tool that works perfectly fine. It may not work for some of the newest technology down the road, but for what I currently shoot and will continue to shoot for quite some time, it's more than enough. But no, it needs to be discontinued. Computer logic.
 
All good points. But like with anything, especially skis, it's worth supporting the companies that are supporting us. And right now that is Avid and Adobe. (lower prices for transition and new features that welcome the angry and transitioning FCP crowd)
 
Very true. It's just shitty that Apple would shut us out like this.

I bought FCP7 last year. I almost bought the academic version for $400 or whatever it was, but instead I opted for the full $1k version so that I would qualify for future $300 upgrades. I realize business is business and all that, but it's just poor form that a respected company with such a loyal following would lead everyone to a dead end like this. I will for sure be getting Adobe's CS5 Production Premium soon, for dirt cheap so financially it isn't a huge burdon, but it's the principle of it all. Ever since FCPX I hesitate to commit to any Apple software now...
 
I've been onboard with premiere since CS2 and it's come a long, long way. In terms of features it's definitely got a few over FCP 7, but essentially they're the same program and you can achieve the same end result in either program. The one downside I've noticed with Premiere is it can tend to be a little unstable at times. Through working with it for so long, I've come to know the situations where I can expect to crash it, and thus do a little better job of avoiding crashes.

The thing I love the most about Premiere, and the whole suite in general, is how fast it allows me to work. When the situation calls for it, I can import my footage directly into the program, edit, CC, grade, and export, without ever having to render which is awesome for those fast turn arounds. The integration between the suite is flawless as well, I can go from premiere to any other program with the click of a button, save that file in the other program, go back into premiere and have the updated file right there in the timeline.

I understand why Premiere used to get so much flack a few years back, but it's developed into, in my opinion, a more superior program than FCP. Again, not to say that you can't get the exact same end result with FCP, I just think you can get there a little quicker in Premiere. My two cents on the matter.
 
You can use fcp7 on lion and ive heard they're working on a new professional final cut other than fcpx.
 
I'm sorry I didnt specify myself, I meant Avid aside. Avid would be incredible to be able to use but unfortunately me nor my college has any of the resources for avid's technology and my entire program is run around the master collection so i was more referring to the final cut vs premiere thought.

Yeah thats understandable, seems silly of Apple but at the same time i guess they really did get themselves into it by pushing the software into more and more consumer hands. Thanks for your input
 
That would be good if they were.

It would be sweet to have a FCP7 that supported 64bit, background rendering, and could use more than 4GB of ram or whatever it was limited to.
 
Agreed. That would be money. CS5.5 can take awhile to Render/Export, well more than FCP7 anyways, but the non-rendering feature is money for some work.

Have you used 5.5?

I feel like I have more control over the Audio as well in 5.5. Just something I noticed. But then again I don't work with audio to much. Most the time I export a .omf and someone else does it.

So that is something pretty minor as most Audio should be done in ProTools or Soundtrack Pro (which got the axe) anyways, but just something I noticed between the two.
 
What I love most about FCS isn't FCP. It's the utilities it comes with. Cinema Tools and Color are staples in my workflow. What is Adobe's equivalent? AE is rudimentary at best for grading and I don't know of any way to conform footage as quickly and easily as Cinema Tools within Adobe's workflow. What about export? Exporting/compressing in FCP was a breeze using QT Pro. Premiere's export menu is far too redundant; I have to specify the same property in three different places for anything to take place.

However I will say that the gamma inconsistencies of Quicktime are very annoying.
 
You can still buy FCP 7, you just have to order it from Apple over the phone. I did it last week.

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/09/01/apple-puts-legacy-final-cut-pro-studio-back-on-sale/

I use Premiere a lot for onlining projects that were edited in Avid, but you need a pretty legit system for Premiere to work seamlessly once you get more than about 30 hours of footage imported. I recently onlined a feature film in Premiere that was getting realtime playback of DPX sequences, and it was fucking awesome (admittedly the machine did have 2 Nvidia 4800s and 48GB of RAM).

For editing, I prefer FCP. Though it's not as powerful, it's just more streamlined from an editing standpoint.
 
I wanna do that, but eventually I gotta get a new computer for school. In which case I don't really wanna do the torrent process for FCP. decided I'm gonna learn the in's and out's of premiere this weekend.
 
takes up lots of space doesnt it? And also premiere is more stable on lion which is prob what I will be using then.
 
I would recommend Downloading the Trial of both of them. Trying them out. It is a personal opinion what you work well with how you like to edit.
 
I love Premiere, granted I've never used FCP7, but from what I've heard they both do the same thing, I just feel CS5 has grown on me.
 
gotta call apple directly, an earlier post said if you call in and ask for it they still sell it. best of luck!
 
I'm sick of premiere, I want my mac to be fixed (but am too lazy to figure out the problem)
 
final cut pro x is like editing on the imovie software with a few more upgrades and perks and for pro editing, imovie is not the slickest and most efficient editing software. final cut pro 7 has a better all around workflow that makes everything a lot smoother when doing bigger or more complex projects
 
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