Ferguson, MO
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Mr.Huck
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13236471:danncphedran said:
For what? For doing his job and defending himself when a 300 lb guy was beating on him and trying to take his gun from him? All the witness statements say that Brown laid hands on Wilson when he tried to get out of his vehicle. Brown was trying to get Wilson's gun. Wilson shot him. Where is your fucking mind?
If you attack an armed police officer, bad things will likely happen to you. Even if you succeed, you will spend most of your remaining life in prison. The whole media representation of Saint Michael is huge crock of shit. This has absolutely nothing to do with Darren Wilson. He just happened to be there when Brown was feeling feisty.
CaptainObvious.
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13236522:.Hugo. said:
Youre softer than charmin,N man[/quote]
I was going to make a clever comment, but take a look at this accidental fucking frankenstein I made out of your quote.
Barefootin_Fiend
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13236525:~~~~~~~~ said:
jesus fucking christ. give it up. it's a figure of fucking speech. take your whiny, politically correct bullshit somewhere else. if you can't take the internet, maybe you should unplug.
987321654hgfd
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13236519:Mr.Huck said:
This x10000000
louie.mirags
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This is a classic case of somebody playing the victim. The person Hugo said that too never even said if he was offended or not.
JAHpow
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13236432:theBearJew said:
I'm confused as to which way this statement is pointing.
Are you saying that the idea itself is the problem? Meaning that cops are given the false label that they're against the people.
And then are you applying the "cops v innocent issue" to this case? Because it's quite clear that Brown was not innocent of anything that happened.
987321654hgfd
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13236432:theBearJew said:
He wasn't innocent though. He stole swishers and then assaulted a cop. Cops should never even lay hands on anyone that's innocent, but this kid wasn't one of those people.
JGWI
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What I found interesting is as soon as they told the people outside of the the decision, a bunch of people began running down the street and breaking into things. Seems like a lot of people there don't and never did give a f*&k about the shooting but rather those nice shiny rims in the store. It didn't help that there was hundreds of people with cameras just begging for something to happen.
987321654hgfd
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13236602:SDrvper said:
Definitely not.
What I don't understand though is why police departments have their officers patrolling alone. Maybe a lack of numbers, but it makes no sense. Cops should always roll in buddy teams. If he wasn't alone this whole situation could've been completely changed.
louie.mirags
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13236592:~~~~~~~~ said:
I hear ya.. i've been called a pussy on this site before for saying something was offensive. But, you're reaching hard. Handicap would actually be a polite way of saying somebody was mentally challenged. Now if hugo knew he was slow and called him retarded then that would be different.
thread can resume now... back to killa cops
louie.mirags
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13236611:Cirillo said:
NY state troopers roll together over night (source a buddy of mine is NYSP). I was a village police dispatcher last year in college and I can say their budget is tight! 2 officers on duty plus a dispatcher around the clock. They would drive together sometimes but usually were apart
theBearJew
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13236591:JAHpow said:
13236597:Cirillo said:
What Im saying is the underlying issue is cops v innocent people. In this case, Brown was determined to be not an innocent person. The cop acted in defense not in excess.
Had people looked at this case as cops v innocent people the decision wouldn't entice a riot. When you turn it black v white, thats when you get last nights result. People seemed like they were there to riot reguardless of an indictment.
If people really want to fix this problem then it cant be a race issue. It has to be a human issue.
louie.mirags
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13236627:JAHpow said:
I'd bet he regrets pulling that trigger
.MASSHOLE.
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13236435:PeppermillReno said:
Rioting is not a big deal...? Really? You said that?
So looting and destroying property of innocent people is not a big deal? Hey NS, lets find Reno's house and loot it because were upset that ski passes are too expensive! That will show the ski resorts were upset with them!
By the way, your logic that rioting over a sports game makes this riot ok is completely flawed. Most of North America looked at it with disgust, no one condoned it.
SKI.ING
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13236611:Cirillo said:
You guys say murder. He killed him, he didn't murder him. Until you are out on the street and have to make a decision like that, you can't comment on how to pacify a violent individual. It's hard to be a cop these days. It's like maybe if Wilson waited a few seconds before firing, maybe he would be the dead one. Then it would just be a blurb in the local news, and nobody would protest or riot or loot. That's the difficulty of being a cop. You don't know the outcome until it's too late.
Mr.Huck
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13236648:JAHpow said:
Key thing here is that you have to be alive to have regrets. Anyone who is irrational enough to try to bum rush a cop, is irrational enough to shoot the cop if he gets control of the gun.
Personally, I'd rather live with a few regrets than be murdered with a clean conscience.
cobra_commander
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Dear black Americans:
get a new spokesperson. Al Sharpton is a fucking turd. What a fucking retard.
get a new spokesperson. Al Sharpton is a fucking turd. What a fucking retard.
987321654hgfd
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13236641:SKI.ING said:
I don't think he was murdered, when I said definitely not I just meant it would've been preferable if he didn't die.
SnowshoeThompson
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How is there any sense in going around burning down local businesses, random cars and attacking police officers. T Hall needs to fly down there again and settle things down.
louie.mirags
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13236763:SnowshoeThompson said:
a long time disconnect between citizens and police
Scaredwhiteboy
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13236395:louie.mirags said:
Are you trolling? Assuming people are racist because they disagree with you only serves to weaken your argument.
13236471:danncphedran said:
I'd bet the world that you don't know how to pronounced indicted.
13236502:~~~~~~~~ said:
Somebody needs to rupture your hymen.
louie.mirags
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13236851:Scaredwhiteboy said:
no you don't understand what I mean.
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JAHpow
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13236918:SDrvper said:
No officer in their right mind will take the time to holster their sidearm after being assaulted and draw a taser.
And non-lethaly subdue a 6'4" 300lb man barreling at you? Please.
Copy pasta, Wilson acted within the law.
The use of deadly force is also authorized when a person poses a significant threat to a law enforcement officer, usually when the officer is at risk of serious bodily injury or death. In the United States, this is governed by Tennessee v. Garner, (U.S. Supreme Court 1985) which said that "deadly force...may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others."
In Graham v. Connor, (U.S. Supreme Court 1989) the court expanded its definition to include "objective reasonableness" standard—not subjective as to what the officer's intent might have been—and it must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer at the scene—and its calculus must embody the fact that police officers are often forced to make split-second decisions about the amount of force necessary in a particular situation.
louie.mirags
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13236947:JAHpow said:
well, you wouldn't be the protect and serve the community type of cop if you think it is OK to go from getting assaulted to killing. Not this case particular because the facts are scattered, but in general it would be better to use a taser then murder somebody who didn't have a lethal weapon on them.
cobra_commander
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so a criminal who was beating on a cop gets killed, and you all want him to still be breathing.
Society would have been better off, but this model citizen happened to be a young black male (responsible for something like 55% of all violent crime in the US, despite making up only 6% of the population) so Al Sharpton needed to open his blabber hole, and let us all relive Watts in the 80s.
If it had been another kid who was shot, Michael Brown probably would have been out there bashing in windows and lighting cars on fire. Good fucking riddance.
Society would have been better off, but this model citizen happened to be a young black male (responsible for something like 55% of all violent crime in the US, despite making up only 6% of the population) so Al Sharpton needed to open his blabber hole, and let us all relive Watts in the 80s.
If it had been another kid who was shot, Michael Brown probably would have been out there bashing in windows and lighting cars on fire. Good fucking riddance.
JAHpow
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13236959:louie.mirags said:
It's not OK in every instance and I never said it was. In this case it was reasonable. Please read Graham v. Connor again.
13236966:SDrvper said:
Please read Graham v. Connor
Did you know that a person who is twenty feet away can advance on you at a speed that won't give you enough time to draw a sidearm, even less to holster and re-draw. That's straight from police training.
I will say again, no officer will holster their sidearm and draw a taser when in the middle of a confrontation. Especially when they are alone.
cobra_commander
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13236959:louie.mirags said:
If you a violently assaulting me, I'm going to use whatever means I have to quickly and effectively end your ability to do so. Killing you is a pretty surefire way to do just that.
louie.mirags
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13237002:cobra_commander said:
So, the punishment for looting should be capital punishment? que?
13237005:JAHpow said:
I read it and I understand he had to make a split second decision. That's where the taser comes into it. Train future cops to reach for their taser instead of a gun...
JAHpow
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13237011:louie.mirags said:
It's impossible to determine what was going through the mind of Wilson in the moment. As a peace officer he has the training to know what to do in such a situation. Therefore, and in light of what evidence there is, we can only assume he acted in accordance with his duty. I still do not think his actions should be labeled murderous.
cobra_commander
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13237011:louie.mirags said:
No, but lets not cry the fallen angle argument.
A bad kid was beating on a cop, and got shot. Not gonna cry over that one.
jeremy.g
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the disburbing point that no indictment makes is that a black man's violent death isn't even even worth a trial. im not even talking about a verdict but a trial.
also for people saying there is an "appropriate" way to protest, to respond that is flat bullshit. i do not believe in violence and will not advocate for it. but as a community when you are constantly threatened, belittled, and violently executed, what response do you respect? calm and rational? people are only reacting the exact way they have been treated and persecuted for years.
also for people saying there is an "appropriate" way to protest, to respond that is flat bullshit. i do not believe in violence and will not advocate for it. but as a community when you are constantly threatened, belittled, and violently executed, what response do you respect? calm and rational? people are only reacting the exact way they have been treated and persecuted for years.
cobra_commander
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13237026:cobra_commander said:
this incident is pretty much exactly why we give cops guns. So when they are out peacefully enforcing laws, and some cock or cunt decides to get violent - we maintain the peace, and social contract.