FBI Investigates Solyndra-Obama connection.

Lax_Bro40

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Solyndra, the green energy company that Obama gave 535 million dollars as a start up, went bankrupt last week. CEO of Solyndra is a very well known Obama supporter and campaign contributer.

Looks like Obama is being bought just like every other politician in Washington. FUCK OBAMA
 
i ain't even mad... cuz im a canadian hahaha we dont need to worry about your government ours is shitty enough!
 
Dude, its 2011 this would be big news before he got elected but now no one cares cuz he already is the president and can FSU and say "hey i'm the president soo fuck off or ill have your ass killed kbai"
 
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Yessir. Spread the wealth shenanigans, taxing the poop out of the wealth and giving the poor a break. Kind of like communism
 
maybe, just maybe, obama gave that money to energy corp to find a solution to the global energy corps...we've spent 100+ times that on "The War"...
 
im no financial expert but im pretty sure going bankrupt means that the company has done its best to pay off any debts it had (to largely conservative financial institutions). any assest would most likely been seized... im not due exactly who gets the short end of the stick on this one... you might say it was the american tax payer but really considering the life style of an NSer and the amount your country spends on driving around in camouflage not to mention your countries ever increasing reliance on canadian hydro-electricity and other forms of energy... 500 million on green energy for the future aint such a bad idea... the real conspiracy you might want to look into is why this Solyndra venture proved unprofitable... also while the american public clearly voted for obama and presumably his policies. one might wonder what the the true motives of the people who brought him in as an option really were...
 
no shut the fuck up, you sir are dumb, communism has no middle class its rich and poor, and thats it, but in america we have a middle class. Taxing the rich is smart, do they seriously need 40 Million dollars, i think they can spare some.
 
no, you clearly do not. Please demonstrate to me some of his wealth spreading shenanigans.Also if you'll remember, he retained the Bush tax cuts. The tax cuts on the highest tax bracket. And are you suggesting that giving the poor a break. is bad. You remember who the poor are right?

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Thats them. In conclusion, you are ignorant of modern policy, human compassion and the foundation of communism. May god have mercy on your soul.
 
Socialism has rich and poor. Communism is socialism in its purest form. There are no rich, you are incredibly stupid. Washing away of the state as Marx put it was when the workers overthrow the owners of business and everyone becomes a worker. There is no rich in communism.
Its not the governments position to say they dont need 40 million dollars thats the point. If i had 40 million id donate a shit load. But the government telling me I need to give up half is wrong and is against everything our country stood for.
 
'lax bro

bush was "socialism" for wealthy people. idk if that is what "your" country was build upon.

equal chances for everybody, and if someone CAN contribute, he should, instead of confiscating some fridges in poorer household.

you understand that not everybody has an equal chance to be successful? so a little distribution (uhuhuh communism) might hurt. i dont say go all out spread the wealth, but punctual income distributions wont be avoidable.
 
I cant sit and argue right now i have to go to class, but message me how Bush was a "socialist for the rich".
 
I HATE political threads. Everyone thinks they are a member of congress and it is so stupid. you all sound like a bunch of tools.
 
communism has no class. it's not rich and poor, it's just poor. there is no such thing as succeeding, everyone is equal.

AND WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO TELL SOMEONE THAT THEY "DON'T NEED" THE MONEY THEY HAVE EARNED? the rich already bear the tax burden and pay a far higher percentage on their income than what the lower income brackets do. Why do you feel entitled to the money they have earned? You didn't earn it, but you would have no problem taking from it? Plus taxing the "rich" often means taxing small business owners. When you tax the shit out of a small business owner they are less likely to hire and more likely to cut jobs/wages. do you think that's good for the economy? Say the owner of a company brings in a net profit of one million dollars a year. You're ignorant little brain goes "wow, thats a lot of money, they don't need all that, TAX!" right away, an increase in the tax could amount to an employees wages for an entire year. The solution, cut that employee. If the employee is kept, that's less money that can be reinvested in the company, fewer new jobs, ect. in the case of corporate big shots who are pulling in hundreds of millions, you better believe that they pay a far higher percentage in taxes than you do so why not let them enjoy their money? if theres no benefit to getting rich then there is no incentive, Would you try to get a better job to have a better life so that you could support your family if you knew you would be penalized for it? Fuck no, you would be a lazy sack of shit because everyone in your scenario would be bringing in the same income regardless.

this thread is full of so much fucking ignorance and stupidity it sickens me.

i apologize ahead of time for the rambling rant, i've been up two days straight studying for a couple of exams and i am fucking out of it.
 
somebody please get rid of Lax_Bro40. he does no good for this site and he only creates arguments. he would not be missed if he was not on newschoolers.
 
too bad obama's plans include tax breaks for each employee a small business employs. nice try though.

and the kid that said obama is a super liberal, thats just not true. in europe he would be considered a moderate or even conservative. in political theory he would be considered a bit of a liberal, but so would almost everyone else in washington.
 
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your post was obviously defending the bush tax cuts on the rich, or at least not raising the rich's taxes. obama has frequently brought up plans to raise taxes on families making over 250,000 and individuals making more than 200,000. pretty easy to see how your post would come off as anti obama.
 
now you're just putting words in my mouth.

my post was entirely about how the middle to low income brackets believe that if the rich are getting a tax cut, or aren't getting a tax increase, that they are somehow paying a smaller percentage on their income than the poor to middle class. On top of that, their sense of entitlement to other more fortunate peoples money makes no sense to me. That belief frustrates the shit out of me. It has nothing to do with any political affiliation or favoritism/criticism. It's just something that i find fucked up with todays population.
 
Obama is an extreme liberal. Obama is an extreme liberal. Obama is an

extreme liberal. Obama is an extreme liberal. Obama is an extreme

liberal. Obama is an extreme liberal. Obama is an extreme liberal. Obama

is an extreme liberal. Obama is an extreme liberal.

Political terms such as liberal are defined by opinion, no one is ignorant just for saying Obama is an extreme liberal.
 
uhh just because placing someone on a left-right, conservative-liberal etc scale is somewhat relative doesnt mean that you can say that and it's true. you can say "obama is extremely liberal compared to my beliefs" but you can't pretend that his stance on issues puts him on the extreme left, he's more in the moderate range really. to pretend that the left right scale has no objective aspect to it is moronic and silly
 
there is an objective to that scale, the objective is to simplify complicated policial issues.

Politics should not be seen as simply a left versus right debate - thats what im saying. you can claim he is a moderate, but dont say people who disagree are ignorant.

 
youre misunderstanding on two counts. i said "objective aspect," that is, an aspect that is objective, as opposed to subjective.

and i never have and never will urge people to try to simplify, or even use the right left scale etc, i agree it's stupid and polarizing etc. all i said was that when people claim he is an "extreme liberal" they are simply wrong and don't have facts to back it up. yes it is relative and opinion based but the difference is that some opinions can be supported by evidence and facts, while others are simply claimed
 
The Washington Post is pretty left leaning. When the Post is pissed at you, you are truly fucked. Hope Obama has some really good hip waders.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/five-myths-about-the-solyndra-collapse/2011/09/14/gIQAfkyvRK_blog.html

Five myths about the Solyndra collapse

Posted by Brad Plumer at 10:07 AM ET, 09/14/2011

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(Bill O’Leary - The Washington Post)

There are still plenty of nagging questions about the collapse of Solyndra, the California-based solar-panel maker that went bankrupt last month after getting $535 million worth of loan guarantees from the Obama administration. Such as: Did the Energy Department fail to do due diligence? And did the White House intervene inappropriately in pressing for the loan guarantees?

But as Solyndra becomes the newest political chew toy, there’s been no shortage of hyperbole about the affair — especially over what it means for energy policy more broadly. On Tuesday, for example, Rep. Cliff Stearns (R-FL), who chairs the oversight subcommittee of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, said that Solyndra’s downfall proves “that green energy isn’t going to be the solution.” That’s quite a leap. So here’s a look at five overheated arguments about Solyndra’s bust:

1) This scandal is no big deal. To the contrary, evidence is mounting that there was something irregular about the way the Solyndra deal got greenlighted. My colleagues Joe Stephens and Carol D. Leonnig have obtained e-mails showing that the White House pressed the Office of Management and Budget to hurry up in reviewing the deal (note, however, that this only came after the Energy Department had approved the loan), even as OMB officials voiced concern about being rushed.

Does that prove the White House engaged in cronyism, shoveling cash toward a political ally? Not necessarily. Democrats have pointed out that Solyndra’s loan process was initiated by the Bush administration and that many key investors were Republicans. Still, there could have been other reasons the deal was hastened. As a former Clinton energy aide stressed to me, it was arguably a mistake to sell the loan guarantees as job-creating stimulus (the program was expanded as part of the 2009 stimulus bill). “It means you try to force huge amounts of money quickly through processes that aren’t quite ready yet,” the aide said. “It’d be better to have a calmer, steadier source of funding.”

2) Solyndra proves that energy-loan guarantees are a flop. Not exactly. The Energy Department’s loan-guarantee program, enacted in 2005 with bipartisan support, has backed nearly $38 billion in loans for 40 projects around the country. Solyndra represents just 1.3 percent of that portfolio — and, as yet, it’s the only loan that has soured. Other solar beneficiaries, such as SunPower and First Solar, are still going strong. Meanwhile, just a small fraction of loan guarantees go toward solar. The program’s biggest bet to date is an $8.33 billion loan guarantee for a nuclear plant down in Georgia. Improper political influence in the process is disturbing, but, at least so far, Solyndra appears an exception, not a rule. (That said, the GAO and others have pointed out potential pitfalls and the need for stricter oversight in the loan program.)

3) The government should leave energy R&D to the private sector. Actually, there’s reason to think the private market is drastically under-investing in new energy technology. As a new report from the American Energy Innovation Council lays out, the utility sector spends just 0.1 percent of its revenues on R&D — the average for U.S. industries is 3.5 percent. The electricity sector is heavily regulated and capital-intensive — power plants last for decades and turn over slowly — and hence tends to focus less on innovation. What’s more, many objectives that may be in the public interest, such as reducing carbon emissions, aren’t fully valued in the marketplace right now.

As such, the AEIC report concludes, “Energy innovation should be a higher national priority.” Right now, the federal government spends a middling amount on energy research (about $3 billion in 2009), compared with the sums lavished on the National Institutes of Health ($36.5 billion) or defense research ($77 billion). And the AEIC report recommends public support for all aspects of the innovation process, from basic research to pilot projects to helping companies commercialize their products. (Solyndra was in that last phase.)

4) Solar is a doomed industry. This view has been gaining popularity, but it’s not borne out by the numbers. Prices for solar photovoltaic modules continue to tumble, even as fossil-fuel prices rise. A June report by Ernst & Young suggests that large-scale solar could become cost-competitive within a decade, even without government support. Of course, grid operators still have to grapple with the fact that the sun doesn’t always shine, but storage technologies continue to improve — in July, a solar plant in Seville, Spain, achieved continuous 24-hour operation using molten salt storage. All told, some 24,000 MW worth of projects are in the pipeline in the United States, led by California. Those projects may not all get completed, but that’s a lot of growth underway.

5) It’s all China’s fault. This one is complicated. China does provide hefty subsidies to its solar industry. As Climate Progress’s Stephen Lacey details, the Chinese Development Bank offers cheap long-term loans to domestic manufacturers that dwarf anything Solyndra ever got. That allows Chinese solar companies to offer cutthroat prices and drive competitors out. And yet, as Westinghouse Solar CEO Barry Cinnamon explains, it wasn’t China that caused Solyndra to go belly-up — the company had invented a solar panel that didn’t use silicon, unlike its competitors, and foundered after silicon prices plummeted.

What’s more, the fact that China hurls money at solar isn’t necessarily a bad thing, since cheaper solar prices can benefit the United States too. The Energy Department seems to have recognized that going toe-to-toe with China on direct subsidies may be futile and is instead trying to focus on complementary efforts to bolster innovation, through programs like its Sunshot Initiative. Also, for all China’s subsidy frenzy, the United States still exported $1.9 billion of solar products last year and actually has a trade surplus in solar with China.

 
yea in theory it works, but the trickle down theory is absolute bullshit when put into action. Corporations take the money for themselves and it by no means makes it down to the lower class workers.

I don't think most people are asking for all of the rich to be heavily taxed, just the top % (aka the billionaires). Like Warren Buffet said, its completely ridiculous that his secretary is paying more taxes than him when he has so much more money. So raising taxes on the super rich wont ruin small buisness like you said because they wont be part of the super rich being taxed.
 
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