Favorite War Movie
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alpinecowboy84
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i'm more than happy to take this to higher and higher levels of debate. i just whipped this up, its not my best retort but until i get the chance to watch the film yet another time (for specifics), i'll just give you this:
first off, you need to learn how to build a strong argument. you’ve made some very surface level criticisms of the movie and you haven’t provided any (legitimate) support to these criticisms. if you see the script as overplayed and over dramatic you need to provide examples, because frankly I need to know what you’re referring to exactly. the narrative comes across as detached and somewhat ethereal, but in war these are the thoughts of the men fighting. it works very well to question not just war, but what exactly mankind is doing with itself, what exactly it says about manking when it goes to war. "this great evil? where's it come from? how'd it steal into the world? what seed, what root did it come from? who's doin this? Who's killin us? robbing us of life and light. mocking us with the sight of what we might have known." it’s a commentary that brings a mental solidarity to the psychological mess that is presented in the film.
as for the battle sequences, the battle to take the hill is one of the best I’ve ever seen. its very simple, however, the fact that the viewer can’t see any signs of the Japanese stronghold for much of that scene works very effectively in building anxiety and suspense. congruent as usual the camera work used for this sequence (following the men through the tall grass), is extremely well done.
as for not having anything that you can rewind and watch in slow motion? it has some of the most beautiful cinematography ever produced! terrence malicks films are known for their visual beauty and dynamic profundity. the cinematography again reflects the concept of man vs. man in nature. shots of the indigenous people, the plants, the physical features of the land and the animals are all used to convey the idea that all these things are in observation of the self destruction and pointlessness of war. however at the same time, the aspects of nature aren’t entirely in contrast. these aspects reflect the fact that war is natural, and while malick has openly produced an anti war film, he never suggests that human beings are above the outcome of war – because with characters like nick nolte, he surely shows that some of mankind is predisposed.
I think the problem is that you haven’t begun to realize many of the aspects of the film that make it great. from what you’ve said, I can’t help but assume that you haven’t taken the time or the effort to consider its aspects and truly analyze it. this so called “ho ho ha� whatever music that you condemn, I think you’ve missed the fact that its relevant because of terrence malicks reoccurring interests (in all of his films) in placing man vs. man conflict/struggle in nature. the cultural songs of that island culture work very well to contrast with descending grasp of war.
furthermore I think it makes sense to assume that you’re looking for images of bravado and valor, heroic defeats of non allied forces. this movie builds well on the aspect of fear and the unhappiness of the soldiers, while other war films produce images of ridiculously “conditioned� and “fearless� soldiers. war is a horrible and absolutely terrifying thing to be involved in. the thin red line exposes the insanity of war. war is a gauntlet that wreaks havoc on the mental stability of a soldier, personally, I see it as very irresponsible of other films to ignore and disregard this aspect. war is more than jingoistic wrath, you cannot ignore the individual experience. you’re looking for battles and skirmishes, things blowing up and people dying. and when you think about it, war isn’t only about that, in the book that the movie is based off of, the author focuses a lot of the experiences on the things that occur between battles – the life and experiences of the soldiers. malick has a tendency (as more good filmmakers should do), to build an atmosphere/environement by showing a lot of images of things that might not immediately and outwardly appear to be conduscive towards plot development. A lot of people when watching a film tend to ignore atmosphere, malick shows you what its like to be in the movie, living with the people, doing the things that they do – and this is constant in all of his movies. at the same time, this should make you realize that war isn’t only about combat, where many crappy war movies focus on the battles and ignore the aspects of real life of soldiers and specifically their emotions and thoughts that occur as a result. the thin red line makes the audience realize that the life of a soldier is more than firing guns and blowing things up. he displays the things that consume the soldiers, apathy, terror, machismo, ambivalence, guilty, homesickness, etc.
malicks films are strongly praised for many reasons. I suggest that you learn something about filmmaking before you so quickly condemn such a mindblowingly incredible piece of art/commentary/history/experience/poetry/narration.
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first off, you need to learn how to build a strong argument. you’ve made some very surface level criticisms of the movie and you haven’t provided any (legitimate) support to these criticisms. if you see the script as overplayed and over dramatic you need to provide examples, because frankly I need to know what you’re referring to exactly. the narrative comes across as detached and somewhat ethereal, but in war these are the thoughts of the men fighting. it works very well to question not just war, but what exactly mankind is doing with itself, what exactly it says about manking when it goes to war. "this great evil? where's it come from? how'd it steal into the world? what seed, what root did it come from? who's doin this? Who's killin us? robbing us of life and light. mocking us with the sight of what we might have known." it’s a commentary that brings a mental solidarity to the psychological mess that is presented in the film.
as for the battle sequences, the battle to take the hill is one of the best I’ve ever seen. its very simple, however, the fact that the viewer can’t see any signs of the Japanese stronghold for much of that scene works very effectively in building anxiety and suspense. congruent as usual the camera work used for this sequence (following the men through the tall grass), is extremely well done.
as for not having anything that you can rewind and watch in slow motion? it has some of the most beautiful cinematography ever produced! terrence malicks films are known for their visual beauty and dynamic profundity. the cinematography again reflects the concept of man vs. man in nature. shots of the indigenous people, the plants, the physical features of the land and the animals are all used to convey the idea that all these things are in observation of the self destruction and pointlessness of war. however at the same time, the aspects of nature aren’t entirely in contrast. these aspects reflect the fact that war is natural, and while malick has openly produced an anti war film, he never suggests that human beings are above the outcome of war – because with characters like nick nolte, he surely shows that some of mankind is predisposed.
I think the problem is that you haven’t begun to realize many of the aspects of the film that make it great. from what you’ve said, I can’t help but assume that you haven’t taken the time or the effort to consider its aspects and truly analyze it. this so called “ho ho ha� whatever music that you condemn, I think you’ve missed the fact that its relevant because of terrence malicks reoccurring interests (in all of his films) in placing man vs. man conflict/struggle in nature. the cultural songs of that island culture work very well to contrast with descending grasp of war.
furthermore I think it makes sense to assume that you’re looking for images of bravado and valor, heroic defeats of non allied forces. this movie builds well on the aspect of fear and the unhappiness of the soldiers, while other war films produce images of ridiculously “conditioned� and “fearless� soldiers. war is a horrible and absolutely terrifying thing to be involved in. the thin red line exposes the insanity of war. war is a gauntlet that wreaks havoc on the mental stability of a soldier, personally, I see it as very irresponsible of other films to ignore and disregard this aspect. war is more than jingoistic wrath, you cannot ignore the individual experience. you’re looking for battles and skirmishes, things blowing up and people dying. and when you think about it, war isn’t only about that, in the book that the movie is based off of, the author focuses a lot of the experiences on the things that occur between battles – the life and experiences of the soldiers. malick has a tendency (as more good filmmakers should do), to build an atmosphere/environement by showing a lot of images of things that might not immediately and outwardly appear to be conduscive towards plot development. A lot of people when watching a film tend to ignore atmosphere, malick shows you what its like to be in the movie, living with the people, doing the things that they do – and this is constant in all of his movies. at the same time, this should make you realize that war isn’t only about combat, where many crappy war movies focus on the battles and ignore the aspects of real life of soldiers and specifically their emotions and thoughts that occur as a result. the thin red line makes the audience realize that the life of a soldier is more than firing guns and blowing things up. he displays the things that consume the soldiers, apathy, terror, machismo, ambivalence, guilty, homesickness, etc.
malicks films are strongly praised for many reasons. I suggest that you learn something about filmmaking before you so quickly condemn such a mindblowingly incredible piece of art/commentary/history/experience/poetry/narration.
jackson sucks. tell your friends.
15 years old... you cant even take the girl anywhere... you have to get laid in the back of your... bicycle? or bring your parents along... or get a ride... hey mommy, i need a ride over to my bitch's house so
alpinecowboy84
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oh i forgot to add that while it might be verging on epic war movie status, with an ensemble cast complete with big shot cameos, i don't think this movie was written with the purpose of being an oscar machine. it was nominated for 7 academy awards but didn't win a single one, (i suggest you do your research as stating false facts only reduces your credibility), not because its a bad movie but because the academy will always favor the mainstream, especially if its by speilberg, stars tom hanks and is called saving private ryan. malick has a style that will never be understood let alone appreciated by the mainstream, i think that as long as he's doing his style (which is wonderful) its not going to win. because what you have to realize is what the academy takes into consideration when it gives its awards: that the public must agree with it. and as i often state, the majority of the public are morons...so i think you get where i'm going with this.
he's got another movie coming out this november, it'll be up for awards (as he is amazing and doesn't make bad movies), maybe the academy will grow some balls and give credit where credit will be due.
jackson sucks. tell your friends.
15 years old... you cant even take the girl anywhere... you have to get laid in the back of your... bicycle? or bring your parents along... or get a ride... hey mommy, i need a ride over to my bitch's house so
he's got another movie coming out this november, it'll be up for awards (as he is amazing and doesn't make bad movies), maybe the academy will grow some balls and give credit where credit will be due.
jackson sucks. tell your friends.
15 years old... you cant even take the girl anywhere... you have to get laid in the back of your... bicycle? or bring your parents along... or get a ride... hey mommy, i need a ride over to my bitch's house so
Lé.Skiing
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lots of war movies are at the top of my list.
-Band Of Brothers
-Full Metal Jacket
-Troy
-We Were Soldiers
-Saving Private Ryan
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-Full Metal Jacket
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-We Were Soldiers
-Saving Private Ryan
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skogenjake
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i didnt read any of that but it looks like you spent a long time on it. so good job. you get an A for effort. yeah i just wanted to say in addition to what i said about bio dome over kinsey. HOW MANY THINK WAYNES WORLD OVER WHALE RIDER??? YEAH FUCK YEAH ALL OF YOU!!!
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pretty sick
skogenjake
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"maybe the academy will grow some balls and give credit where credit will be due."
FUCK YEAH HES RIGHT!!! I say all the austin power films should win, and the scence in spiderman with the kirsten dunst wet t shirt should get one too.
pretty sick
FUCK YEAH HES RIGHT!!! I say all the austin power films should win, and the scence in spiderman with the kirsten dunst wet t shirt should get one too.
pretty sick
alpinecowboy84
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^wow what a waste of time. i thought for a second you might be an intelligent person worth debating with. apparently your just another ns moron.
jackson sucks. tell your friends.
15 years old... you cant even take the girl anywhere... you have to get laid in the back of your... bicycle? or bring your parents along... or get a ride... hey mommy, i need a ride over to my bitch's house so
jackson sucks. tell your friends.
15 years old... you cant even take the girl anywhere... you have to get laid in the back of your... bicycle? or bring your parents along... or get a ride... hey mommy, i need a ride over to my bitch's house so
skogenjake
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no i love debating, thats why i got involved. its just very late. and i think you won this one. super article if you typed it all. its not like over my head. im not a moron. i just feel you made alot of good points. i just didnt like the movie. and my reasoning is more shallow. its also late. too late. the punk music topic in media and arts is good for debate if your into music. but again, its late.
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pretty sick
FRZGene
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Not trying to get involved in this wonderful argument, but....
I like the "your" just....
It is kind of funny that you are making fun of someone for being a moran because he might not understand film. Maybe you should limit your mistakes when ripping on others.
You're. Your. There are differences.
YOU LOVE IT
I like the "your" just....
It is kind of funny that you are making fun of someone for being a moran because he might not understand film. Maybe you should limit your mistakes when ripping on others.
You're. Your. There are differences.
YOU LOVE IT
skogenjake
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wtf captain grammer/spelling its 130 and i dont feel like typing it. it still makes sence. its online. i didnt put the ' in didn't or don't. sue me. and i stopped debating on it. i wasn't at all ripping on him for not understanding it. i think we both understood it. we just analyzied it differently.
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pretty sick
alpinecowboy84
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^haha. actually he was critcizing me. although spelling mistakes have nothing to do with a good arguement...a monkey can use spell check.
jackson sucks. tell your friends.
15 years old... you cant even take the girl anywhere... you have to get laid in the back of your... bicycle? or bring your parents along... or get a ride... hey mommy, i need a ride over to my bitch's house so
jackson sucks. tell your friends.
15 years old... you cant even take the girl anywhere... you have to get laid in the back of your... bicycle? or bring your parents along... or get a ride... hey mommy, i need a ride over to my bitch's house so
skogenjake
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^^ has anyone seen the DVD special version? i have the vhs. is it alot better?
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pretty sick
genericname
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platoon or full metal jacket
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DRINK TILL YOU THROW UP
skogenjake
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yeah that one guy took the phosphorus grenade to the face. ouch.
pretty sick
pretty sick
alpinecowboy84
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if you want to see a really good war movie. you should see 'downfall' its a german film that was up for best foreign film at this years oscars. its about hitler's last 12 days in power and it covers the final degrees of the third reich's collapse. the guy (bruno ganz) who plays hitler gives an amazing performance - i completely forgot that i was watching an actor whenver he was on. the films historical accuracy is very strong and the constructs of fleeting social nationalism and the final acknowledgement of defeat are very powerful. (you should know that a lot of people committed suicide, not just themselves, but made the decision to commit suicide for their family members too). additionally, it shows how out of his mind hitler was (especially by the end of the war).
heres the trailer but just know that its a horrible representation of the movie and that unlike all trailers, this one uses hardly any of the good footage from the movie. check it out while its still playing in theaters:
http://www.apple.com/trailers/newmarket/downfall-subtitled.html
jackson sucks. tell your friends.
15 years old... you cant even take the girl anywhere... you have to get laid in the back of your... bicycle? or bring your parents along... or get a ride... hey mommy, i need a ride over to my bitch's house so
heres the trailer but just know that its a horrible representation of the movie and that unlike all trailers, this one uses hardly any of the good footage from the movie. check it out while its still playing in theaters:
http://www.apple.com/trailers/newmarket/downfall-subtitled.html
jackson sucks. tell your friends.
15 years old... you cant even take the girl anywhere... you have to get laid in the back of your... bicycle? or bring your parents along... or get a ride... hey mommy, i need a ride over to my bitch's house so
skogenjake
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^^ yeah but it lacks sick battle scences. its good though.
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EastcoastAR5
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anti-mogal
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full metal jacket
skier_boy26
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band of brothers series is well done and amazing. for movies, im a big fan of patton, lawrence of arabia, thin red line. saving private ryan is good too, and especially empire of the sun in my opinion. i saw downfall the other day, and its really good. star wars is rad too, the originals though
punk_rider
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longest day, save private ryan, platoon
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g-punit*steezer
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Modern wars:
Apocalypse Now****
Full metal Jacket****
Saving Private Ryan
A Bridge Too Far
THe Longest Day
Deer Hunter
Platoon
Born On the 4th of July (not really war so much as veteran)
MASH
We Were Soldiers
Band of Brothers
I'm sick of following my dreams, I'm just gonna ask where they're going and hook up with them later.
~Mitch Hedberg
Apocalypse Now****
Full metal Jacket****
Saving Private Ryan
A Bridge Too Far
THe Longest Day
Deer Hunter
Platoon
Born On the 4th of July (not really war so much as veteran)
MASH
We Were Soldiers
Band of Brothers
I'm sick of following my dreams, I'm just gonna ask where they're going and hook up with them later.
~Mitch Hedberg
skogenjake
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hahah MASH
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g-punit*steezer
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The movie's fuckin cool, except for the football game at the end. Hey its kinda a war movie i figured i put it on there
I'm sick of following my dreams, I'm just gonna ask where they're going and hook up with them later.
~Mitch Hedberg
I'm sick of following my dreams, I'm just gonna ask where they're going and hook up with them later.
~Mitch Hedberg
rebel
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I've never understood how people liked Saving Private Ryan more than Thin Red Line. I'll admit that Saving Private Ryan had a profound opening scene, but there wasn't much after that. Thin Red Line had me captivated from beginning to end. Alpinecowboy makes some good points about the movie.
I thought that Enemy of the Gates was an entertaining movie. It was on Showcase Television last night, but as I watched it, I couldn't get over why the Soviets would have British accents. Could somebody please answer this for me?
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'Itâ??s a wonder I havenâ??t abandoned all my ideals, they seem so absurd and impractical. Yet I cling to them because I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart.' - Anne Frank
I thought that Enemy of the Gates was an entertaining movie. It was on Showcase Television last night, but as I watched it, I couldn't get over why the Soviets would have British accents. Could somebody please answer this for me?
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'Itâ??s a wonder I havenâ??t abandoned all my ideals, they seem so absurd and impractical. Yet I cling to them because I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart.' - Anne Frank
