Father locked up daughter for 24 years

Some guy around here had an underground room where he locked girls up for years. It's a creapy house.
 
theres a movie similar to that i believe it's called kiss the girls wondering if the movie is based off of that incident

 
That's fucked up...I could never imagine doing that or anyone every doing that and it's fucked up that anybody would even think for a second about doing anything like that...
 
since this day, that came in the news ... I am constantly called Fritzl here in Amsterdam (the name of this guy) - They use every bad news from Austria or Germany to proof their opinion on us. 
 
that reminds me a little bit at then the other guy, who let his wife sit on the toilet for 2 years, until she grew together with the toiletseat ... How fucked up humans can be. I realy dont want to know what else is going on out there.
 
aparently austrias legal system isnt as "harsh" as the US and other countries....he can only get like 15 years...unless one of the kids dies he can get more time i thought one of the children was in critical condition when they were found cant remember where i read that tho
 
first off, i am from austria, heard enough of that case the whole last week and cant say anything about it anymore.

but ^^ you have to admit, that western (europe, northern america, etc.) justice isnt offering a fair punishment to people that did something like that.

i mean, its like having saddam hussein hanged. he was responsible for thousands of tortures, people killed during tortures, war crimes and massacres and what ever. and then, boom, hes hanged. suffered for a few moments, feared death for a few days and that was it. his victims or relatives of his victims wouldnt say that this is enough.

same in this case. our justice is just helpless in this case. he will go to jail for the rest of his life and thats it, watch tv in a warm room while being saved from attacks of the other inmates. somehow its sad.
 
that is some fucked up shit. he deserves at least 24 years of jail time for taking away 24 years of his daughter's life. this story reminds me of "genie", except that she wasn't locked up from birth.

taken fromhttp://www.feralchildren.com/en/showchild.php?ch=genie :

On November 4, 1970 a girl was discovered. She had been locked in a

room alone for over ten years. She was tied to a potty chair and left

to sit alone day after day. At night, she was tied into a sleeping bag

which restrained her arms. She was put into an over-sized crib with a

cover made of metal screening. Often she was forgotten. On those nights

she slept tied to the potty chair.

At first, people could hardly believe that Genie was thirteen years

old. While she seemed to understand a few words, the only words she

could say were, "stopit" and "nomore." She had a strange bunny-like

walk— she held her hands up in front of her like paws and moved in a

halting way. She could not chew solid food and could hardly swallow.

She spat constantly. She sniffed. She was not toilet-trained and could

not focus her eyes beyond 12 feet. She weighed 59 pounds and was 54

inches tall.

Genie was rescued and put in Children's Hospital in Los Angeles,

California. Genie's mental and physical development began almost

immediately. By the third day in the hospital, Genie began helping

dress herself and using the toilet voluntarily. She began moving more

smoothly. She was hungry to learn words, pointing at things until

people would give her a word for them.

Scientists wondered, "Did Genie have a normal learning capacity?

Could a nurturing, enriched environment make up for Genie's horrible

past? Would it be possible for Genie to recover completely?" This is

how the "experiment" began.

A team of scientists (referred to as the Genie Team) began working

with Genie. They wanted to find out what they could about how humans

learn. Over 200 years ago, scientists had studied another "wild child"

in France named Victor. They called that case "The Forbidden

Experiment." Genie's case was similar because it would be unthinkable

to lock up or put a child in such severe isolation on purpose.

But having discovered a child who had been isolated, scientists

wanted to learn from that experience. Was that wrong? As with Victor,

people wondered if scientists should be studying Genie. Could she be

both studied and taken care of well? Or should the Genie research be

forbidden?

Within several months Genie had a vocabulary of over one hundred

words that she understood, though she was still very silent. Her

talking was limited to short high-pitched squeaks that were hard to

understand. The team of scientists discovered that Genie had been

beaten for making noise. It was hard to know if her inability to talk

was a result of living so long without interacting with other humans,

being in an impoverished environment with little sensory stimulation,

or because she had been abused.

Genie began to become emotionally attached to some of the scientists

who spent time with her. One scientist made sure that he was there

every morning when Genie woke up, for important events during the day,

and to put her to bed each night, in order to build a sense of family.

Some people thought that it was necessary to feel connected to other

humans before one could learn to speak. After about six months, Genie

lived in a foster home. The father of the family she lived with was the

head of the Genie Team.

Genie continued to recover and develop. She ran, giggled, and

smiled. People commented that in some ways she seemed like a normal

18-20-month-old child. If you were to give her a toy, she would feel it

gently first with her fingertips. Then she would rub it against her

mouth and face, using her lips to feel the object. Genie did not seem

to know when to use her eyes and when to use her sense of touch.

Genie's scientist "friends" took her on daily outings—walks through

the neighborhood, visits to stores. Genie was so curious and hungry for

experiences. She would demand to know the names for all the things in

stores, almost faster than she could be told. She would pick up items

and intently explore them. Even strangers felt compelled to help her

learn about the world. A butcher, who knew nothing about Genie, used to

hand her an unwrapped bone, piece of meat or fish each time she passed

by his shop. She would explore it by rubbing it on her lips and face.

Other strangers would go out of their way to give Genie things. Somehow

her thirst for learning about her world showed.

Many scientists came from all over to meet and observe Genie. They

argued and debated about what research to do, as did the Genie Team

itself. What could Genie best help scientists discover about learning?

Could they conduct their research without interfering with her well-

being?

Genie's vocabulary grew by leaps and bounds, but she was still not

able to string words together into meaningful sentences. Normal

children begin by learning to say simple sentences, like "No have toy."

Soon they are able to say "I not have toy." Eventually they will learn

to say, "I do not have the toy.' Later they will refine the sentence to

say, "I don't have the toy." Genie seemed to be stuck at the first

stage. We do learn many words from experience, from seeing, hearing,

reading, and asking. But some scientists think that learning how to

speak in sentences and sensing how words get put together in logical

order also depends on something that is built into our brains from

birth. Was Genie's brain missing something which was necessary for

learning language?

Scientists began to wonder if Genie was mentally retarded. If she

was, had she been mentally retarded from birth? Had she been injured?

Or was the retardation a result of her brain being deprived of good

nutrition and/or stimulation? How had her poor diet and isolated

upbringing affected her growing brain?

Over the next couple of years, some scientists concluded that Genie

was not mentally retarded, even though she was still unable to master

language. She was brilliant at nonverbal communication. Sometimes she

would be so frustrated at not being able to say what she wanted that

she would grab a pencil and paper and in a few strokes, illustrate

fairly complex ideas and even feelings. She scored the highest recorded

score ever on tests that measure a person's ability to make sense out

of chaos and to see patterns. Her abilities to understand and to think

logically were also strong. She had a perfect score on an adult-level

test that measured spatial abilities. One test required that she use a

set of colored sticks to recreate a complicated structure from memory.

She was not only able to build the structure perfectly, she built it

with sticks of the exact same color as the first structure! Despite all

this, Genie remained unable to master the basics of language.

Scientists wondered—-could she ever be taught to speak? If so, how

would her brain have to grow and adapt to do so? Could a teenager still

learn to talk or is the structure of language something that must be

learned in the early years of life when the brain is growing and

changing so much?

In most humans, both sides of the brain are involved in every task,

but some tasks result in more electrical activity on the right side of

the brain and some in more activity on the left side of the brain.

Scientists noticed that Genie was particularly good, quick, and

confident at those tasks that involved more of the right brain. She was

hesitant at tasks that require equal coordination between the two sides

of the brain. She failed at tasks that involved more of the left brain,

such as language.

One of the last tests that was done on Genie measured what parts of

her brain were active as she conducted different kinds of tasks.

Scientists were shocked at how unbalanced the activity in her brain

was. There was almost no left brain activity. Her tests looked similar

to tests of children who had to have their left brains removed.

Some scientists thought this explained her inability to learn

language. Whether this was correct or not, it raised the question: Why

was her brain activity so lopsided? Does the left brain develop in

those critical early years of life when Genie was so isolated? Does the

left brain need to receive stimulation and hear language to develop?

After about five years of researching Genie's progress, the Genie

Team lost their funding from the government agency that had awarded the

research grant. The scientists at this agency felt that the Genie Team

was not doing good scientific research because the tests Genie was

being given were not producing enough new information. At the same time

that these people felt that Genie wasn't being tested enough, others

felt that Genie was being over- tested.

Genie's mother, encouraged by one of Genie's old teachers, tried to

sue the Genie Team for "cruel" treatment of Genie. Their lawsuit

claimed that Genie was exhausted by the testing and that the interests

of science were being viewed as more important than Genie's personal

development.

In the late 1970s Genie's mother forbid the Genie Team from having

contact with Genie. Even though she at first lived again with her

mother, her mother was unable to care for Genie herself, and Genie had

to be sent to a series of foster homes.

In one of these homes she was again abused—this time punished for

vomiting. Genie responded by not opening her mouth for several months.

Genie began to deteriorate both physically and mentally. Genie's mother

moved and placed Genie in a home for retarded adults. Genie is said to

still live in a home for retarded adults. "Genie" is not her real name.

It was first given to her by the scientists in an effort to protect her

privacy. Now her privacy is guarded by her mother. She has no contact

with any of the scientist who worked with her and come to love her.

Several books have been written about her, and a television documentary

program was also made about the story of Genie.

 
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