Fat skis in the park??

gaper_assasin

gaper_assasin

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going to niseko in december, and need to buy some new skis, Niseko being Niseko, you're obviously going to want to get something fat, but i still want to be able to ski park without having to get two sets of skis.

has anyone skied fats in the park a lot, what are your opinions? ski suggestions?
 
The park in niseko is pretty average. I was there in january this year and they had 2 15 ft table top jumps and a 25 ft step down jump. 1 flat box, 1 skinny??? flat box, 1 flat rail and 1 down rail. As well as a hip sort of jump. So yeah the park is average at best. That being said jj's in at just at the end of the day and they were fun. But you're better off building a back country kicker out of the gates somewhere.
 
12975238:ECSTASKI said:
The park in niseko is pretty average. I was there in january this year and they had 2 15 ft table top jumps and a 25 ft step down jump. 1 flat box, 1 skinny??? flat box, 1 flat rail and 1 down rail. As well as a hip sort of jump. So yeah the park is average at best. That being said jj's in at just at the end of the day and they were fun. But you're better off building a back country kicker out of the gates somewhere.
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thanks, ive been there before and ive skied the park at hirafu and hanazono, the park is better later in the season appparently.
 
12975298:gaper_assasin said:
how are they more fun?
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The flow. Everything feels like it's just meshing together better, kind of like surfing. Get creative with em.
 
I love my "fat" skis in the park (faction prodigy 128-101-138). They feel so good stomping shit, I really enjoy doing boxes/rails with them. the only down sides compared to skinny skis is heavier so harder for bigger spins but unless you dub wgaf. Seriously tho, easter park with fat skis is soooooooo nice.
 
12975298:gaper_assasin said:
how are they more fun?
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This isn't from experience, just from what I've heard but wider skis will give you more stability underfoot on rails.
 
12975356:JAHpow said:
This isn't from experience, just from what I've heard but wider skis will give you more stability underfoot on rails.
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ive heard that too, and hey give you a more stable landing
 
The Salomon Shogun was my park ski last year. 100mm underfoot with a bamboo core. They felt awesome on jumps and rails. Too bad they are built like shit and delam for no apparent reason. But yea, fat skis in the park is where its at.
 
I somehow end up riding bents in the park at least once a season. It's fun as hell! Landings aren't super stable, but they're like riding a yacht on rails.
 
12975405:Holte said:
I somehow end up riding bents in the park at least once a season. It's fun as hell! Landings aren't super stable, but they're like riding a yacht on rails.
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how are they to spin and flip on?
 
rode my buddys slats in the park a few time and i want my own pair soooo bad its so nice. wide enough for pow and blows through the crud
 
Fatboards in the park are all I ever do. Im poor and live in michigan so I have been skiing fat skis in the park for years. There an awesome one ski quiver. So smooth. And I always get them used and beat up off newschoolers. I get some wierd looks at railjams when I'm on my genomes (151 underfoot) or my new lifes (131). Theyre amazing for surface swaps and an all around killer way to have fun in the park. As long as theyre buttery or rockered. The stiffer fat boards in the park are too unwieldy and not as smooth. Ride fatboards, get pussy.
 
12975407:gaper_assasin said:
how are they to spin and flip on?
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Not bad. You just have to have your weight forward. Its not hard to do, just different. It's like writing with your left hand at first but after some time you get used to it.
 
12975454:graemeskiiiii said:
Fatboards in the park are all I ever do. Im poor and live in michigan so I have been skiing fat skis in the park for years. There an awesome one ski quiver. So smooth. And I always get them used and beat up off newschoolers. I get some wierd looks at railjams when I'm on my genomes (151 underfoot) or my new lifes (131). Theyre amazing for surface swaps and an all around killer way to have fun in the park. As long as theyre buttery or rockered. The stiffer fat boards in the park are too unwieldy and not as smooth. Ride fatboards, get pussy.[/QUOTE

are you sure your genomes aren't water skis, 151 underfoot is mental
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I personally enjoy normal like 90 underfoot skis in the park but I've tried my Salomon czars and my buddies al dentes and they felt great.
 
12975493:ordinaryprod said:
I personally enjoy normal like 90 underfoot skis in the park but I've tried my Salomon czars and my buddies al dentes and they felt great.
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what were your thought on the al dentes?
 
something around 98 underfoot is perf. that's what my tropic thunders are and between the halos i had before and the jeronimos i ride for pow it's fits right in the middle. wide enough to keep you on top of soft snow but it doesn't fell weird on rails like a 100+ ski would.
 
12975503:wutangski said:
what were your thought on the al dentes?
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They are buttery as all hell and amazing all around. One of my favorite skis on the market. Other than my recoils.
 
I use shreditor 102s and armada halo 2s in the park, I like wide skis in the park because they are so good for surface swaps and have more stability on rails.
 
12975454:graemeskiiiii said:
Ride fatboards, get pussy.
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Sig'ed

You simply must try a pair of volkl chopsticks in the park. Stomp the shit out of every landing even, if you land sideways.

Not on an icy day at bachelor though. That's just asking for trouble. Honestly it depends on how you ride. If you prefer slower spinning, surfing and buttering around, and more forgiving landings, wider skis might be perfect for you in the park.
 
12975585:C-DAWGSTYLEZ said:
Don't matter none
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That was amazing.

12975591:Graham. said:
That was dope. Off topic but damn
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Definitely not off topic, he slayed those rails on 127 underfoot noodle soft EP pros.

To the OP there is a lot of not great (i suppose that is my opinion) advice in this thread. You're going to Japan, like you said you want a fat ski. Blends and the other mid fat options are not going to cut it in snow that deep. Most fat skis will ski fine for the few days of park you'll do. Sounds like the park isn't that great and you'll want the width much more for the pow than you will find it an issue in the park.

To be blunt, if you aren't very good at skiing, fat skis make park skiing seem hard. It is harder to learn new tricks on big skis but if you can do them already (as the above edit shows) you will be able to do your tricks just fine. The one issue you are going to have is that most pow skis have thin edges, so if you plan to ski rails, I'd avoid skis like the JJ, Bentchetler etc as the edges could well break.

Line, K2, ON3P (off the top of my head) all use the same edges from their park skis on their powder skis, so I'd go with one of those. I think my choice would probably be Pettitors or Opus for really deep days and the occasional park lap. I've never skied ON3P so can't comment there.
 
12975329:STAUSS said:
rossingol sickle is the ski you want
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Definitely agree with this I've had mine for 3 seasons now and they're perfect for both. They're super playful in the park and stomp no problem but they still shred. Also they're pretty symmetric (mine are 140-110-136 I think) which is nice.
 
Niseko you are going to want skis way like 105+, I have slats and they don't compare in deep snow compared my apostles. I say slats and al dented would be to skinny, I think rossignol sickles would be the ski for you.
 
Not the fattest ski, but the slat has been the most fun ski i've ridden in the park. Just wide enough to surf around and skinny enough to get technical. Would recommend.
 
12975511:*TACO-DOGE* said:
something around 98 underfoot is perf. that's what my tropic thunders are and between the halos i had before and the jeronimos i ride for pow it's fits right in the middle. wide enough to keep you on top of soft snow but it doesn't fell weird on rails like a 100+ ski would.
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100+ underfoot isn't weird on rails, its super stable and you open a who new world of possibilities for tricks. Bluntslides/noseblunt slides are much easier, and like everybody else said surface swaps are really smooth. Just doing tech tricks is a bit harder because you have to swing things around harder.
 
12975879:Cock_Steeze said:
Al Dente skis? I imagine theyd be a good all round ski
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They are sick. Dope in the park and still handle themselves well in some pow. Not as wide as some others on here^ haha but still pretty wide by my standards. They are fun as hell also, super buttery and easy to nollie/ollie on if you are a little lighter.
 
12975784:Twig said:
That was amazing.

Definitely not off topic, he slayed those rails on 127 underfoot noodle soft EP pros.

To the OP there is a lot of not great (i suppose that is my opinion) advice in this thread. You're going to Japan, like you said you want a fat ski. Blends and the other mid fat options are not going to cut it in snow that deep. Most fat skis will ski fine for the few days of park you'll do. Sounds like the park isn't that great and you'll want the width much more for the pow than you will find it an issue in the park.

To be blunt, if you aren't very good at skiing, fat skis make park skiing seem hard. It is harder to learn new tricks on big skis but if you can do them already (as the above edit shows) you will be able to do your tricks just fine. The one issue you are going to have is that most pow skis have thin edges, so if you plan to ski rails, I'd avoid skis like the JJ, Bentchetler etc as the edges could well break.

Line, K2, ON3P (off the top of my head) all use the same edges from their park skis on their powder skis, so I'd go with one of those. I think my choice would probably be Pettitors or Opus for really deep days and the occasional park lap. I've never skied ON3P so can't comment there.
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This is the advice you need. Niseko gets a shit load of snow, I don't need to tell you that. Unfortunately, if you are new to park, using fat skis will be a challenge. But a much bigger challenge is skiing pow or pow-covered park in skinny park skis. If you are an experienced park rider, I would go towards a twin rockered pow ski in the mid 110's waist. Some good examples are Faction Candide 3.0, ON3P Jeffery 114, Nordica Patron, and the Blizzard Gunsmoke (there are a lot of good skis in this category so don't limit yourself). Having a ski that can float in pow is miles more important in a place like Niseko. ~100mm waist park skis like Blends, Slats, or Al dentes will make park skiing easier, but will suck with the amount of snow you guys get. You can still have a lot of fun in the park with fat skis (especially if you are experienced), and those I mentioned will be a great fit. Honestly though, if you are committed to both pow and park performance, you really do need two pairs of skis.
 
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