Pipe_Munky
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Anyone got a link to the run?
Should be pretty simple to figure it out.
Should be pretty simple to figure it out.
Fagans got robbed apparently
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ColoradoDogfart
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14262143:Pipe_Munky said:
He posted most of it on his insta story
14262139:scratchskier321 said:
thats not the issue here, the issue is that he is blaming politics (the whole situation) on him getting a bad score. hes playing the victim when he needs to put his head down and grind if he actually wants to go to the olympics *someday*.
**This post was edited on Mar 19th 2021 at 2:55:21pm
Pipe_Munky
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14262145:ColoradoDogfart said:
Gotcha.
Obviously I haven't seen what else was put down on that course but the rail section was nothing overly special. Triple was landed super heavy also.
**This post was edited on Mar 19th 2021 at 3:02:57pm
scratchskier321
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14262146:eheath said:
politics is why henrik won knuckle huck. it exists always no matter how u slice it. Fagan has the right to protest, just like henrik did.
Pipe_Munky
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14262158:scratchskier321 said:
Wrong. He has the right to act like a 3 year old who's mom said he can't eat a battery for dinner but he doesn't have the right to protest. In FIS events you can't protest your score/ranking. You can ask the judges to justify their decisions but you can't file an official protest.
This kid isn't doing himself any favours and in all likelihood will not be seeing a start at the Olympics or even on a World Cup for that matter anytime soon...
14262158:scratchskier321 said:
Nah he won based on the judging format, everyone assumed it was about him complaining, but I was informed by one of the judges personally that was the case. I do enjoy the fodder of him getting a sympathy gold, but thats a completely different situation. This is some young kid who only appeals to young ppl (ns hates him) and hes honestly not even close to being a top slopestyle skier, yet. Like I said, he needs to shut up and keep skiing, let your skiing talk, dont bitch and moan on social media.
scratchskier321
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14262161:eheath said:
he’s allowed to speak up. we, and contestants have been arguing about contest results on this site forever. this isn’t anything new.
scratchskier321
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14262160:Pipe_Munky said:
Fairness of sport is more important than you holding a hate grudge against a teenager.
Obama_care
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he blocked me I wish I could see it all
14262095:DesertStix said:
Yeah for sure, i just think that if you dont want them on the team you tell them that. I dont think the move is to judge poorly to make that happen.
And again idk how that run is with the comp. Seems kinda low but idk how many people entered and how many good runs got dropped. If there's like 80 people like the aspen snowmass open it makes more sense than if there's 30.
Didn't seem like a bad run, not a winning run but not bad.
I just think it's wild that so many people in this thread are cheering for poor judging because they don't like the fagans and dont want them in the Olympics.
It's just a kind if fucked angle regardless of how you feel. There will always be people whi get burned, runs you think should have been scored differently, but thats judging, it isn't perfect. The second we start judging somebody poorly to make a point the whole comp system loses any legitimacy.
Whether you hate the kid or like him a ski comp should be judged 100% on the skiing in that comp. It kind of bums me out that people in here are actually down for that not to be a thing because in this case it shuts down somebody they don't like.
There's some whack angles in this thread. Some solid posts.
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Can anybody whi watched the whole even weigh in about how many competitors their were, how they think this run fits in?
Otherwise we're all just arguing hypotheticals.
14262163:scratchskier321 said:
To me, its way different when athletes are vocal and it only really matters if there is an actual argument. Its fair to say you feel like your score was incorrect for the run you put down, but to instantly blast the judges saying they scored you lower because of politics is childish and the wrong move.
**This post was edited on Mar 19th 2021 at 3:27:56pm
scratchskier321
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14262169:eheath said:
totally fair considering the history of judges being political. the ski team has their favorites.
MoneyMakerMike
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14262171:scratchskier321 said:
Even if that’s true, the professional way to act is not freaking out about it on your social media
GrandThings
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14262179:MoneyMakerMike said:
^Literally this.
Yeah I think it was a little ridiculous, but there's a big difference between the way Henrik handled it (releasing a pretty rational and understandable statement about dropping out of slope) and this dude straight WHINING on Instagram.
Idk much about the comp-circuit or Olympic qualis but maybe this low score will prevent him from not qualifying and that's why he's ok airing it out on the gram now? Or, you know he's just an entitled little prick who hasn't learned from his mistakes and cant take critical feedback.
Pipe_Munky
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Please elaborate...
I happen to know several of the FIS judges. Tell me how the judges are/have been “political”.
Truth be told, no one cares who this kid is or what he did. Unless you can see what the rest of field did in this comp, you don’t know what result he deserved
I happen to know several of the FIS judges. Tell me how the judges are/have been “political”.
Truth be told, no one cares who this kid is or what he did. Unless you can see what the rest of field did in this comp, you don’t know what result he deserved
14262171:scratchskier321 said:
AndrewGravesSV
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I went and watched the run and honestly it was pretty damn clean. The only real flaws I can find are not scissoring on any rails (which he might've come off early?), landing a bit heavy from going big, and that all his tricks were stock tricks. I think the lack of variety of rotation maybe hurt and the relatively low amount of spinning didn't get him paid. This is also looking at it on a phone with sus video quality so idk. I also haven't seen the other runs but I am surprised this didn't get even top 20.
His past and reputation reputation 100% didn't help him and the judges biases might've docked him a bit. It's kinda like when professors or teachers will round up a grade whether they like you or not, and nobody likes the fagans cause they're fucking tools. I really doubt that there was a plan to fuck him over though and a big conspiracy. Judging discrepancies have always been around and every single competition it feels like someone got robbed. Its subjective and the criteria changes every year and depending on the comp.
I'm even fine with him posting the run and saying he doesn't understand why it was scored so low. The real issue here is that he is flocking to social media to bitch about it publicly, accusing the judges of being political, and playing victim. Most people would ask the judges why it was scored low to be able to change it up for the future and then vent to their friends about it. You can share your theories about them being biased to your buddies and if it happens a few more times in the future maybe you've got a case and a pattern against you. Instead, this fuckstick is going full karen because he thinks it'll change something if he makes a big enough fuss about it publicly. I see it as being evidence of a super privileged arrogant white kid throwing a tantrum when he doesn't get his way because he's used to getting away with anything his whole life. fuck em
His past and reputation reputation 100% didn't help him and the judges biases might've docked him a bit. It's kinda like when professors or teachers will round up a grade whether they like you or not, and nobody likes the fagans cause they're fucking tools. I really doubt that there was a plan to fuck him over though and a big conspiracy. Judging discrepancies have always been around and every single competition it feels like someone got robbed. Its subjective and the criteria changes every year and depending on the comp.
I'm even fine with him posting the run and saying he doesn't understand why it was scored so low. The real issue here is that he is flocking to social media to bitch about it publicly, accusing the judges of being political, and playing victim. Most people would ask the judges why it was scored low to be able to change it up for the future and then vent to their friends about it. You can share your theories about them being biased to your buddies and if it happens a few more times in the future maybe you've got a case and a pattern against you. Instead, this fuckstick is going full karen because he thinks it'll change something if he makes a big enough fuss about it publicly. I see it as being evidence of a super privileged arrogant white kid throwing a tantrum when he doesn't get his way because he's used to getting away with anything his whole life. fuck em
Granby_killdozer
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14261919:207 said:
Damn bro you sure are triggered about some kids singing along to a rap song. Maybe go virtue signal over on r/skiing and take to pussies who upvoted you with you. Context matters and cancel culture is whack as fuck. You kids are soft
These kids are clearly talented on skis regardless of what they are like as humans. But so is every other skier in the field these days. I have the (questionable) privilege of watching pretty much every run in every comp (finals at least) that goes down, and while that was a good run, it was nothing mindblowing for a day that looks like it had perfect conditions. I could very easily believe that there were 20 people in the field with better runs than that. However, he is also clearly not very bright because he appears to have finished 16th not 21st and doesn't understand how heats work.
I only watched the run once so I could have called this wrong but to me it seemed there were pretty clear 'deductions' even if you totally ignore how clean the run was and minor issues the judges pick out:
1. Rightside tricks: There were only two out of 6 and they were the two 'easiest' tricks of the run, a sw r2 cont. 2 and a forward rightside dub 12.
2. Grabs variation: Mute twice and tail. That isn't exactly pushing the boundaries and has clearly been something judges have been looking at for some time.
3. Rails: All three tricks were continuing spins and only the switch 4 was at all above the 'standard' tricks that everyone does in comps.
I don't love that skiing is judged like this, but if you do comps, you know that it is. If I called that run correctly, there were shortcomings. Again, if you ski comps you know this.
There is a lot of politics in skiing, but the one place that very rarely seems to actually be the case is judging. You can hate judging all you like, and people will always get pissed with the results when a homie or skier they like doesn't win. But from knowing them personally, there are a lot more judges who would say Henrik or Ferdi is their favorite skier than would say Andri or Goepper, and yet who wins most comps?
Of course, mistakes do get made. More often the criteria can be (and I would say ARE) flawed, but the judges themselves are very rarely to blame. I think there is roughly 0 chance that this score was based on anything other than there were better runs (the numerical score is and always will be, irrelevant). However, this kind of social media reaction seems very unlikely to endear the Fagans to whoever makes the final USASA selections...
**This post was edited on Mar 19th 2021 at 7:14:03pm
I only watched the run once so I could have called this wrong but to me it seemed there were pretty clear 'deductions' even if you totally ignore how clean the run was and minor issues the judges pick out:
1. Rightside tricks: There were only two out of 6 and they were the two 'easiest' tricks of the run, a sw r2 cont. 2 and a forward rightside dub 12.
2. Grabs variation: Mute twice and tail. That isn't exactly pushing the boundaries and has clearly been something judges have been looking at for some time.
3. Rails: All three tricks were continuing spins and only the switch 4 was at all above the 'standard' tricks that everyone does in comps.
I don't love that skiing is judged like this, but if you do comps, you know that it is. If I called that run correctly, there were shortcomings. Again, if you ski comps you know this.
There is a lot of politics in skiing, but the one place that very rarely seems to actually be the case is judging. You can hate judging all you like, and people will always get pissed with the results when a homie or skier they like doesn't win. But from knowing them personally, there are a lot more judges who would say Henrik or Ferdi is their favorite skier than would say Andri or Goepper, and yet who wins most comps?
Of course, mistakes do get made. More often the criteria can be (and I would say ARE) flawed, but the judges themselves are very rarely to blame. I think there is roughly 0 chance that this score was based on anything other than there were better runs (the numerical score is and always will be, irrelevant). However, this kind of social media reaction seems very unlikely to endear the Fagans to whoever makes the final USASA selections...
**This post was edited on Mar 19th 2021 at 7:14:03pm
K-Dot.
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speaking from an aesthetic perspective that run was pretty boring. same thing i've seen every comp since like 2016, just big hucked spins on every feature with little attention to detail or variety, especially on the rails.
this is pretty hilarious though, the guy could have just taken his L like an adult and grown from it but instead used it as an opportunity to make himself look like even more of a self entitled egomaniac. he wants all the sympathy in the world for this shit but he and his shit head brother had basically none back when they had to apologize. the irony is so rich
this is pretty hilarious though, the guy could have just taken his L like an adult and grown from it but instead used it as an opportunity to make himself look like even more of a self entitled egomaniac. he wants all the sympathy in the world for this shit but he and his shit head brother had basically none back when they had to apologize. the irony is so rich
ToddlerBodyBag
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Did no one download the Instagram video that exposed them? I can’t find it anywhere
johnoble
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14262239:katrina said:
mods on one of the car forums I follow have started blocking threads that devolve into bashing certain automotive journalists. granted, that place prides itself on being polite/welcoming far more than NS does.
edit: not condoning mods blocking threads here, just pointing out that bashing threads are coming up more frequently elsewhere too.
**This post was edited on Mar 19th 2021 at 9:31:40pm
asparagus
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14262404:WoFlowz said:
Even better stop doing this
SkiingNinja
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14262412:katrina said:
Six packs are out. Kegs are in. Embrace the dad bod, even if you don’t have kids.
snowfinder
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14262438:Lonely said:
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DominatorJacques
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14262067:Lonely said:
14262073:Lonely said:
14262076:Lonely said:
^^^! """"""""""
J_Christoph
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The Fagans have been robbing us all of a couple of new Instagram followers (ie themselves) every 4 days now for years
isaacwrong
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Fagans really be the Newman family of skiing..
Mtuhockey33
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14262161:eheath said:
If you honestly think Henrik deserved to win knuckle huck this year; you’re more retarded than an aborted fetus with downs.
jesper got fucking robbed. Idc how much hate this gets; Henrik throwing a bitch fit about scoring, dropping out of comps and then magically “winning” knuckle huck? GTFOH