Explain to me the mentality of doing drugs? serious talk

H

HERCULES.

Member
so call me a butthurt bitch or whatever but im 21 and noticing more and more people around me are getting involved with drugs and it pisses me off. I drink here and there and have a beer or 2 on the daily, i smoke weed on and off (more off than on), and i take adderall for USEFUL reasons such as studying related/long work day related/strenuous activities, and only around 10 times a year. All 3 of these substances i take and the way i use them are technically "abuse". Drinking a bit to relax after a day of work is technically dangerous because im technically "dependent" on it, smoking weed to relax because again its for a reason and is still illegal were i am, and "abusing" adderall because i dont have a prescription for it but still use it as an advantage to focus/do work.

So looking at all of this i consider myself an almost "above average" substance user. I mean im a very fit and active person and sometimes drinking can get in the way of that and i REALLY like to get muffed up with my boys and raise hell once or twice a week, but i control it and could never drink again if i had a good reason not too. I never see any need to cross the line and do something that's proven to seriously harm you.

What annoys the shit out of my is the large large population of people i know and that surround me that regularly use shit like molly, methadone, acid, and coke. Its common knowledge that shit like that 100% is very harmful, can do permanent damage AND is addicting most of the time and yet almost everyone thinks its ok to do regularly. My girlfriends idea of a good time and all she fucking talks about lately is doing some special lsd she got off the black market. Why the fuck do people resort to doing shit like this? Theres literally a thousand things that are fun to do that dont have to be drugs. Go on a hike, go fishing, do a sport, hang with friends, learn to sew, paint, anything. I was talking to some buddys the other night and all there hype to do is do molly and lay around each others houses. Not go on a hike, not work, not anything. All i fucking heard about was laying in the grass and how cool the trees looked?

I dont understand this. Is this like normal? Im not scared to experiment with shit i just see absolutely no need to do something thats expensive, harmfull and addicting while i can go fishing or longboarding and have way more fun?

Sparknotes: Why does everyone do drugs and think its ok? Why will people risk there health and mind on drugs while they could easily find something better to do thats not drugs?
 
I'm not sure since I don't do drugs but peer pressure, curiosity and one leading to another would definitely play a part.
 
OP typed 300 word rant because his girlfriend drops acid. Why don't you take some with her and stop trippin bout her trippin.
 
Upstate NY is having a heroin problem.

Had an affluent cousin overdose on h like 3 years ago.

Went to high school with plenty of kids that became addicted to drugs

Alcohol in moderation daily. LSD Moll or coke are like a twice a year thing at music festivals. Pot is permissible.
 
idk its because im not a sissy and not opposed to shit. i live, and i dont care.

that said it's probably been a year or two since ive blazed.

why?

it just isn't around. nothing to do with trying to avoid it. i'm just not actively seeking it, either. shit's more fun when you just let it happen. if im at the right party or right event, shit does happen, and i don't say no to it.

unless i'm totally sketched out.

weed doesn't sketch me out. other drugs do. just like bitches. bitches don't generally sketch me out. some of them do. so if i dont feel up to the task, i say no.

just gotta go with the flowwww son
 
13042103:Anathema said:
idk its because im not a sissy and not opposed to shit. i live, and i dont care.

that said it's probably been a year or two since ive blazed.

why?

it just isn't around. nothing to do with trying to avoid it. i'm just not actively seeking it, either. shit's more fun when you just let it happen. if im at the right party or right event, shit does happen, and i don't say no to it.

unless i'm totally sketched out.

weed doesn't sketch me out. other drugs do. just like bitches. bitches don't generally sketch me out. some of them do. so if i dont feel up to the task, i say no.

just gotta go with the flowwww son
Click to expand...

First of all, hi!

Second of all, did you read his post? He meant drugs other than weed/alcohol.
 
I highly recommend trying acid at least once. It literally changed my life. Weed was fun, but limits your mind and cognitive funcitons... And Alcohol is the best social drug, and it makes you pay if you abuse it.

If you aren't in search of learning/new experience then don't try a new drug. If you are curious then do it with your girl, and you'll probably learn something new about yourself and why you are on this planet.
 
i work in the service industry where coke is everywhere. I mean, everywhere. And weed IS life. It gets smoked because it helps you feel better after a 12 hour work day. The coke comes in because of all the adrenaline and the fact it's possible to close one night at 1 or 2 and have to be in the next day at 7 or 8 to do the prep for the rest of that day.

LSD and shrooms are used because they're fun. Same with molle and all that stupid chemical shit
 
I read that and I agree, but you do come off as a little butthurt. You just gotta not let it affect you. Let their bad decisions hurt them and only them. If you want to help, invite them fishing or hiking or whatever so they can do that instead of laying in the grass and staring at trees.

Also, the "I have way more fun than you guys when I do (blank) than when you do drugs" is a total swing and a miss of an argument. Unless you're speaking from experience and have done the drug before, don't say that.
 
I have though about doing shrooms or acid before to learn and open my mind to things I wouldn't normally. After thinking about it the risks are not worth the reward for me. I really wish weed opened my mind more but it doesn't really at all.
 
It sounds to me like you are one big hypocrite brothaman. Alcohol can be as detrimental to your health as cocaine. I mean I can sympathize the molly plight because that shit is usually cut and terrible for you but LSD? Really? There are far worse things kids these days could be doing and as far as I'm concerned (never been a user) LSD is a tool to enlighten ones self. In fact, there are studies showing that moderated LSD use can be linked to positive mental health. Sounds like you are trying to justify/rationalize your own actions while being critical of others at the same time Mr. Substance abuser. Drugs are fun, plain and simple, and its becoming a mentality among this current generation that doing drugs is how you have fun. You are falling into this niche as much as anyone else so I really don't even see the point of this thread, at least coming from someone like you. P.S. I've been drinking, deal with it.
 
13042146:last_tango said:
I have though about doing shrooms or acid before to learn and open my mind to things I wouldn't normally. After thinking about it the risks are not worth the reward for me. I really wish weed opened my mind more but it doesn't really at all.
Click to expand...

na dude you just gotta keep smoking hella much and everything will begin to make sense
 
13042146:last_tango said:
I have though about doing shrooms or acid before to learn and open my mind to things I wouldn't normally. After thinking about it the risks are not worth the reward for me. I really wish weed opened my mind more but it doesn't really at all.
Click to expand...

oh shrooms are fine, they don't count.
 
your only gonna be 21 once, so might as well have fun now while you can still fuck up and recover rather easily, or whatever its your life kid spend it how you think youd like it not thinking about shit that pisses you off, or leave New York
 
13042155:SnowshoeThompson said:
na dude you just gotta keep smoking hella much and everything will begin to make sense
Click to expand...

First I just get a huge laughing fit, eliminates chronic pain in my body from having jacked up feet, makes me eat to the point that I almost throw up, then I mellow out a bit, then I pass out.

13042158:snobunny said:
oh shrooms are fine, they don't count.
Click to expand...

I'm okay with anybody doing any psychedelics. I'm pretty not okay with meth, heroin, molly cause of shit its cut with(test your shit), and pills. Some coke occasionally is okay too but damn I can see people get addicted quick to it.
 
Idk if it's a result of the adderall and drinking or you were dropped on your head as a kid, but you might want to stop doing any drugs.

Eat a healthy diet, exercise regularly, get plenty of sleep, read books, and pray some of your brain cells start to regenerate.
 
People with a high IQ (120-180) tend to wish to experiment with their own consciousness and peruse the bounds of their mind. People with a low IQ tend to not do their own research and explore beyond what society has led them to believe as being safe. Drugs are obviously not limited to people with a higher Iq, but there has been research on the fact that people with a higher IQ are more educated and therefore understand the effects of many compounds more accurately.

Natural psychedelic compounds (some call "drugs") such as Tetrahydrocannabinol (occurs naturally in the plant genus cannabis "weed") N,N-Dimethyltryptamine (occurs naturally in the brain "DMT"), Psilocybin (occurs naturally in many fungi "mushrooms"), Lysergic Acid Diethylamide (derived from the ergot fungi "LSD-25"), and 3,4,5-Trimethoxyphenethylamine (occurs naturally in the cacti peyote "mescaline") are very effective in expanding one's consciousness and potential with the connection with their life to the source of the universe and of all things. It helps them gain intellectual development to see life for what it really is, to gain a deep appreciation for all living things, and to get a sense of their place in the universe. Human words can hardly describe the intimate connection that such drugs reveal between one's self (mind/body) and the universe (surroundings). It is only part of human nature to experiment with our gift of being aware - and having a consciousness to make meaning and some sense out of our complex lives.

It has even been hypothesized by Terrence Makenna, and many other psychonauts, that the reason that humans have developed such advanced languages and thought processes is through the use of psychedelic mushrooms (possibly millions of years ago) by our ancestors. Hell, if you are even reading this you should notice that it is a large wall of small, organized, squiggly lines and shapes, that you are sensibly able to make out this complex train of thought and download it into your consciousness through your eyes.

There are definitely some terrible drugs for your body and mind, like the ones that OP has described. Alcohol, tobacco, heroin, crack, adderall, caffeine, and many others, are terrible for the long term and the short term body and mind.Possibly those people are taking those drugs to cover up something more complex within their emotional subconscious that you don't need to understand as the 3rd person observer.

One of the key's that I have found to take to heart in life is -- everything in moderation -- . Even cheeseburgers, or cereal, or even water(!), in excessive amounts can cause serious problems with the body and/or mind. The key thing here is that if something has an addictive quantity than it has the potential to be abused. There are certain compounds that are too intense to be abused by most people (i.e. psychedelics) and as a result their effects on human consciousness do not present a danger for addictive qualities. Addiction and abuse go hand in hand with the term everything in moderation. Addiction and abuse are very complex evils, and must be treated on an individual basis as their are too many variables that go into understanding why they occur in each individual. OP I say just let people experiment...why does it matter to you that these "people" in your life are doing drugs? Sure, if they are abusing the drugs, and you see negative health effects or behavior, say something to them.

Sure, it might be just fine and dandy to live a life without any of these wondrous, mysterious, compounds or novelties, but when you die, what will you make of the life you lived? What will you expect to come afterwards, having never experienced this thing people told you about their so called "psychedelic trip"? Will you really tell yourself that you lived your life to the fullest? That you lived a life that chose you, rather than you thinking that you are choosing your life? Life happens to you whether you like it or not. Its all up to you to chose your path, no one can do that for you. Just pick what the fuck you want to do with your own consciousness and let others do the same. I suggest testing the bounds of your reality and escape your comfort zone for a couple of hours and give a psychedelic drug a chance to blow your mind with a few good friends. I'm sure you will come out of it with much more empathy, love, and compassion for everyone and everything around you in your life. I just ask you OP, and anyone else reading this, to take home the following messages:

Always treat other people with a loving heart, acceptance, and compassion. Try to understand that you will never fully understand another person's perspective. You can't take their life path and see what they see. Everyone has a unique journey to carry out in this infinite symphony of the cosmos. Each and every part of this reality has a specific purpose and you're just beginning to learn the wonders of it all. Just go with the flow and worry about what you are doing with your life, stop wasting time thinking about other people's decisions.

As Neil DeGrasse Tyson said in the finale of Cosmos, these are the 5 rules you must abide to as a citizen of the cosmos if you are willing to learn something about the universe:

1. Question authority - no idea is true just because someone says so.

2. Think for yourself - question yourself.

3. Don't believe anything just because you want to - believing something doesn't make it so.

4. Test ideas by the evidence gained from observation and experiment - if a favorite idea fails a well designed test, it's wrong, get over it. Follow the evidence wherever it leads, if you have no evidence reserve judgement.

5. Remember that you could be wrong - all of the best scientists have been wrong about some things, they all made mistakes and of course they did, they're all human. Science is a way to keep from fooling ourselves and each other.

One love, and infinite love to you all Newschoolers.

I will now end this post with a quote by Neil in the finale of Cosmos to give you all my personal scientific perspective on the universe, as Neil put it into words beautifully:

""Learning the age of the Earth, or the distance to the stars, or how life evolves...what difference does that make? Well part of it depends on how big a universe you're willing to live in. Some of us like it small - thats fine, understandable. But I like it big, and when I take all of this [science] into my heart and my mind, I'm uplifted by it, and when I have that feeling, I want to know that it's real, thats its not just something happening inside my own head. Because it matters whats true, because our imagination is nothing compared with natures awesome reality. I want to know what's in those dark places [of the universe] and what happened before the big bang. I want to know what lies beyond the cosmic horizon, and how life began. Are there other places in the cosmos where matter and energy have become alive, and aware? I want to know my ancestors, all of them. I want to be a good strong link in the generations. I want to protect my children and the children of ages to come. We who embody the local eyes and ears, thoughts, and feelings of the cosmos, we've begun to learn the story of our origins - star stuff contemplating the evolution of matter. Tracing that long path by which it arrived at consciousness. We and the other living things of this planet carry a legacy of cosmic evolution spanning billions of years. If we take that knowledge to heart, if we come to know and love nature as it really is then we will surely be remembered by our descendants as good strong links in the chain of life, and our children will continue this sacred searching. Seeing for us as we have seen for those who came before. Discovering wonders yet undreamt of in the Cosmos."
 
13042097:first_rodeo said:
Upstate NY is having a heroin problem.

Had an affluent cousin overdose on h like 3 years ago.

Went to high school with plenty of kids that became addicted to drugs
Click to expand...

It's everywhere honestly. Been like that for a while. Some places more than others.

13042098:snobunny said:
I skimmed through your article enough to know that I agree
Click to expand...

Lol. It's one thing to not do drugs, hate them whatever, but why does it matter so much what other people do. Also the way OP lumped together things was laughable.

As far as lsd, that's one of the most powerful drugs a person can do. If used by the right people for the right reasons it's insane how much of a positive effect it can have on a person.

OP being butthurt about what other people do isn't going to change anything.

That's like people you don't drink. It's totally fine but no need to be all "OMG THOSE TERRIBLE HEATHENS THAT DRINK SHAME ON YOU ALL YOU'RE BAD PEOPLE"

I haven't even smoked in 5 years. There's nothing wrong with it and I'm not butthurt that people are doing it. Same for everything else.
 
Go get X tattoos on your hands and go to straight edge metal shows.

Not only can you be with sober people but you can make that the main topic of your existence.

DRUG FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

YOLO
 
Also (sorry for the trip post but this is important)

nothing bad has EVER happened to anyone who boofed something. The problem is the method in which people are using drugs.

Boof for safety, for your family, for your children, boof for you!

Goodbye internet/ I'm out
 
lsd is not in the same category as coke, or molly, unless the somebody is taking it for the wrong reasons like just get fucked up an see shit, then i would put it closer.

its not about getting fucked up. its about exploring and connecting ideas in a new way and developing a greater appreciation for life, friends, natural beauty etc...

I tripped about eight months ago and had an extremely positive experience. it got me stoked on school, music, and where I am at in life. it helped me decide to go to grad school
 
lsd is not in the same category as coke, or molly, unless the somebody is taking it for the wrong reasons like just get fucked up an see shit, then i would put it closer.

its not about getting fucked up. its about exploring and connecting ideas in a new way and developing a greater appreciation for life, friends, natural beauty etc...

I tripped about eight months ago and had an extremely positive experience. it got me stoked on school, music, and where I am at in life. it helped me decide to go to grad school
 
13042097:first_rodeo said:
Upstate NY is having a heroin problem.

Had an affluent cousin overdose on h like 3 years ago.

Went to high school with plenty of kids that became addicted to drugs

Alcohol in moderation daily. LSD Moll or coke are like a twice a year thing at music festivals. Pot is permissible.
Click to expand...

Where are you from? H is getting to be a huge problem in my hometown and a guy I went to high school with just passed away from an OD and I live in a pretty small town
 
13042275:nick21861 said:
Where are you from? H is getting to be a huge problem in my hometown and a guy I went to high school with just passed away from an OD and I live in a pretty small town
Click to expand...

It's getting top be a huge problem because it's so cheap
 
13042275:nick21861 said:
Where are you from? H is getting to be a huge problem in my hometown and a guy I went to high school with just passed away from an OD and I live in a pretty small town
Click to expand...

FIRST A RESPONSE TO OP

Well.. There are a few things wrong here.

1) Acid can't be grouped with cocaine in any of your listed detrimental effects

2) expensive and addictive really only applies to cocaine

3) molly is not addictive at all beyond maybe a possible psychological addiction but you would OD before you became dependent on the stuff.

4) Methadone is cheap, close to molly, and most people don't give a fuck enough to try it once or twice.

5) Yes it's normal most people (especially college students) have friends who do all of the above

6) You REALLY need to get learned on LSD.

NOW RESPONSE TO QUOTE

Heroin is fuct. My brothre graduated in 2005 and him and most of his class were addicted to smoking Percocet or Oxycodone, then they all switched to heroin when the pills got too expensive. he just got out of treatment after relapsing on heroin about a year ago, and he has had 11 friends OD and die since he graduated. There is now a big problem with it among the younger low-income kids that frequently wander around town (we call them "streetwalkers") and now most of them are addicted to heroin and homeless. There are over 30 homeless youth between 16-22 in my town and the next which are pretty small around 10k people each. Also older hobos are migrating in because apparently good cheap heroin is easily available readily right around town. Been seeing more undercover vehicles, and lots of state patrol around, and the local police have hired more officers and have increased their presence. Pretty gnarly.
 
13042246:theabortionator said:
It's everywhere honestly. Been like that for a while. Some places more than others.

Lol. It's one thing to not do drugs, hate them whatever, but why does it matter so much what other people do. Also the way OP lumped together things was laughable.

As far as lsd, that's one of the most powerful drugs a person can do. If used by the right people for the right reasons it's insane how much of a positive effect it can have on a person.

OP being butthurt about what other people do isn't going to change anything.

That's like people you don't drink. It's totally fine but no need to be all "OMG THOSE TERRIBLE HEATHENS THAT DRINK SHAME ON YOU ALL YOU'RE BAD PEOPLE"

I haven't even smoked in 5 years. There's nothing wrong with it and I'm not butthurt that people are doing it. Same for everything else.
Click to expand...

Ok-- why does it matter what other people do? It does and it doesn't. If you're an adult, and you want to take acid on the weekend with your friends, that doesn't affect me.

However, if you're an adult who has a coke problem, lost their job, and is now on unemployment you are a blight on society.

However, that's not what I was talking about. I was talking about kids. I think it is a shame that hard core drugs have become so rampant and common place amongst youth-- it just makes me worry for my future children-- so in some ways what other people do is relevant-- I mean people make up society, right? I live in that society and am therefore affected.

Certainly if someone was a recreational drug user in their own time and I wasn't exposed to it, then whatever. However, kids using public restrooms to do oxy, meth and to snort lines-- get that shit out of my public society, plz.

I also think sex amongst kids has become out of control.
 
13042876:snobunny said:
Ok-- why does it matter what other people do? It does and it doesn't. If you're an adult, and you want to take acid on the weekend with your friends, that doesn't affect me.

However, if you're an adult who has a coke problem, lost their job, and is now on unemployment you are a blight on society.

However, that's not what I was talking about. I was talking about kids. I think it is a shame that hard core drugs have become so rampant and common place amongst youth-- it just makes me worry for my future children-- so in some ways what other people do is relevant-- I mean people make up society, right? I live in that society and am therefore affected.

Certainly if someone was a recreational drug user in their own time and I wasn't exposed to it, then whatever. However, kids using public restrooms to do oxy, meth and to snort lines-- get that shit out of my public society, plz.

I also think sex amongst kids has become out of control.
Click to expand...

Pretty sure everyone in the 70's dropped more acid, ludes, shrooms, etc... than most modern day drug users, and they turned out ok.

And wtf? Where did you get kids using public restrooms from? That's some junky shit that applies to all drug addicts. Not sure why you think their is suddenly youth running rampant shooting up and blowing lines in public restrooms everywhere? I am around a lot of drug users (cocaine mostly) and I live in a town with a huge number of H and crank users, and have never a single time seen or heard of anyone using in any of our public bathrooms. Most people like that do it in the safety and comfort of their or their dealers/friends home, apartment, etc... literally the only time users would do that in public is if they are homeless.
 
13042876:snobunny said:
Ok-- why does it matter what other people do? It does and it doesn't. If you're an adult, and you want to take acid on the weekend with your friends, that doesn't affect me.

However, if you're an adult who has a coke problem, lost their job, and is now on unemployment you are a blight on society.

However, that's not what I was talking about. I was talking about kids. I think it is a shame that hard core drugs have become so rampant and common place amongst youth-- it just makes me worry for my future children-- so in some ways what other people do is relevant-- I mean people make up society, right? I live in that society and am therefore affected.

Certainly if someone was a recreational drug user in their own time and I wasn't exposed to it, then whatever. However, kids using public restrooms to do oxy, meth and to snort lines-- get that shit out of my public society, plz.

I also think sex amongst kids has become out of control.
Click to expand...

As far as the start that really is like blaming cars for accidents. For years jerry was a safe driver taking the kids to school in he and his wifes mini van. HE had a mid life crisis and purchased a new corvette and everything change. He became addicted to the thrill of speed and eventually lost control and ran down 20 nuns working a soup kitchen.

Idk.

But yeah I agree about kids and drugs. I think the biggest problems is prohibition and our lack of real education.

We just say drugs are bad don't do them, and that's about it. In the eyes of the government weed and heroin are equals. When you have a system like that you're going to have some problems.

I don't think we'll ever find the perfect solution but I agree that something needs to be done. I'm sure we differ greatly on what though.

As far as the sex thing that's a problem to. I'm def not one of those "No sex till you're married types" but sex is definitely pushed way hard these days. Idk what the answer to that is.

We'll probably implode as a society before fixing most of the big problems.
 
You don't seem to informed about drugs. It's useless to categorize so many different types of substances into one group because they are different. You have a point about heroin and meth (opiates) because they really can be a ticket to an awful life. But other drugs, like LSD and other hallucinogens really don't have much physical effect on your body, and aren't addicting. There is the danger of mental problems, but they have actually been proven to improve mental health. Some drugs can be insightful and actually beneficial, and others aren't.
 
13042917:elinde said:
You don't seem to informed about drugs. It's useless to categorize so many different types of substances into one group because they are different. You have a point about heroin and meth (opiates)
Click to expand...

....

Meth is the literal opposite of an opiate

But ya both are a ticket to a ruined life.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top