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cmmmon i want some closure, lets get the vid up, i remember that jump and its god damn scarry, i dono how u got the balls to double flip it
 
He speed checked it at least five times asked at least 6 "pros" the speed for it before he even hit it. I was there, and I saw pretty much the whole wreck. Brad is one of the best back country riders you may ever have the privilege of riding with. that being said, he spends most of his time asking someone whether a hit is good or not, then front or back flipping it. brad lawn darts tables first hit. I'll be the first to tell you that it wasn't the smartest thing to lawn dart a table that size first hit. that being said he opened up right over the knuckle and had the air awareness to roll over again to take it in the back of his skis completing a double front flip. while you're competing for the self righteousness awards with Jesus try and know the facts. don't judge the bible says not to.

if you would like to see photos of the wreck I put them up under the windell's thread. I just didn't want to whore up the threads.
 
hmm what i recall from when i was there was that if you took about two solid turns from the knuckle of the step down then u would land right over the top, did he like straight line it or somthin?
 
Whats with the ------karma Witt,

I do agree that the conditions at the time were not good. We had only a couple of hours to ride and we had to head back for the SLC event on the 9th. The park had been closed the whole time we were there until that day. I am 31 years old, and I have a wife and a 2 year old son. I knew that there was a big risk when I was doing my speed checks, but getting as hurt as bad as I did was the last thing I worried about. My buddies were trying to talk me out of it but I did not want to go home without hitting it, and I allowed that desire to cloud my better judgement. Fronts are my lock-down trick and I am more comfortable jumping large jumps doing inverts than I am doing straight-air. They are just more comfortable for me.

That being said, I disagree when people put a lable on what skiing or snowboarding is. It means something different to us all. It is not a stunt show to me, but I am sure it is to some people, and I have no place telling someone what it should be to them.

To me skiing is not a sport, it is a culture a lifestyle, and a state of mind. To me it is based on progression, and I will ski with that state of mind until Im done. I do not enjoy skiing unless, I am pushing it. My family and freinds worry about how agressive I ski, but it is what makes me happy.

I had a long conversation with Tim Windell the night before my accident, and the two of us talked about a lot of things. We talked about what Windells is all about. Windells is all about supplying a place for riders to get together and celebrate our culture. It is a place to share ideas and be open minded about what is possible. It is a place for kids to find for themselves what skiing and snowboarding means to each of them.

I dont expect anyone to see it the way I do, but thats the beautiful thing. My view of what skiing is mine and I respect what it means to all the other riders out there.

I found some time ago that if you ride for yourself and your own personal reason, every day on the mountain is a good day. Hell, even though I almost died that day, I still had a great time at Windells and I will never forget it.

I hope everyone finds their own personal reason to ride and charishes it.
 
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i agree we all take on a certain element of risk when ski, some would argue its not a question of if but when in terms of taking a bad fall. But its that element of risk that makes landing a trick so rewarding and if nobody tried to push their own personal boundries none of us would make it past straight airs.
Brads bad fall was was just that a really bad fall but it could happen to any of us
 
I beg to differ...Most knowledgable skiers know to "look before you leap"...I almost always straight air every jump before I hit it. Sometimes, if I'm very familiar with a park, I'll start with some mellow 3's. Double Flips are NO way to warm up. Also, a double flip for a first hit off a 60 ft jump that he hasn't even hit before, in poor conditions (low light, ice, etc.) is just asking for trouble. It is completely irrelevant to pushing boundaries. It sucks the guy got hurt...he's got a serious sack to pull the shit he did, but add everything he brought to the table for the situation and it's like saying 2+2 = 4...it's common sense and a bad example
 
Hey you need to take it easy. I'm sure he recognizes what he did was stupid and irresponsible without you blasting on him. He is the one who has to deal with time off work, hospital bills, permanent injuries, and family probs I'm sure will result from this. Its obvious that what he did wasn't smart- he fucked up. The reason that kids have to work thier way up is becuase they have coaching and the camp is responsible for them and their well-being. Brad is an adult with the ability to make his own decisions.

I'm sure he didn't plan on seriously hurting himself and the reason that he messed up so bad was becuase he overshot it not becuase he did a front. Even if he had straight aired it and overshot it he still would have had serious injuries... look at dumont.

As far as it being a bad example I think your logic is incorrect. Him having that bad of an accident will prob do more to discourage irresponsible kids than having pros tell them to be safe, then land tons of tricks over it without incident.

Also you can't blame him 100%. He did a few speed checks and consulted a few different people on how much speed he needed... it sounds to me like he got some bad information. Still it prob wasn't a good idea to hit it when the conditions were so bad but I can see why he did it.

On a side not I do think he's overdoing it with all the posts about his situation. People on this site fuck themselves up all the time. Its part of what we do... I doubt anyone who is serious about park and does it for 5+ years is going to walk away without some sort of injury. Its just about trying to assess the risks and make smart choices while still progressing and enjoying the sport.
 
ha!

some places offer discounts to "special" people, so you alwys got that going for ya

way to stay positive while in the hospital, get better crazy man
 
I don't think he went for a double... looks to me like he went for a single and turned it into a double since he overshot/overrotated it so bad. If you have a front/back dialed in its not that much riskeir than a striaght air. Front is def harder than back tho since you can't spot you landing until its too late but once you're used to them its pretty easy to control the rotation with a lawn dart.
 
yo brad...i didnt mean to come off as such an ass. I have been seriously hurt myself a few times, in fact i had a really similar injury to yours (punctured lungs and broken ribs suck) It sounds like your usually on point, and just made a bad judgement call..i was just trying to point out that irresponsible skiing like that is not the kind of thing you want to be doing in front of a big group of extremely impressionable kids. Even if you stomped it perfect on your first hit, it still would have been a bad example. Either way, im not trying to hate, im just glad your recovering. By the way, do you have a chest tube?
 
but even if you take every possible pre caution you can still get hurt, were all human and we make mistakes, you can be skiing slowly down a groomer and break your collar bone like a certain steeze machine NS love child or you can fuck your self up throwing a front flip first hit off a sixty foot table (not the smartest i must admit). but the point is shit happens, 2+2 may equal 4 but that does not mean that 4 wont still fuck you up
 
ya, i gotta ask who told you to start from up there, cuz even when i was there (session 5) we dident have to start that high and that was when in was i think close to 70 ft
 
What some of you people need to realize is that Brad wasn't trying a DOUBLE flip his first hit...He was trying a SINGLE front flip. He is more comfortable doing front flips first hit than straight airs first hit. He just went so damn big it turned into a double dart. I can totally see why he does fronths though because I have gotten seriously fucked up on a straight air first hit before. So for everyone claiming that the flip is what got him hurt is a complete idiot because a frontflip is basically the equivalent of doing a grab first hit.
 
so im not sure if you remember being in the air or not, but if you were, what were you thinking whe you noticed you were that fucked?
 
It all happened fast. I definatly knew I was in big touble. I could not tell you my exact thoughts.

I think "O Shit" would sum it up.
 
Regardless of what the thread poster did, that comment deserves a response.

Over or under rotating a grab will not make you land on your head. Over or under rotating a flip......... I'm sure you can finish the rest.
 
Overshooting the hit is what put me in the hospital not the front flips. I was going for a lawn dart. When I came around and realized how far I was going to go I did not want to fight my forward momentum and land head first, so I rolled another one so that I could flop it onto my back. The doctors say that I would have shattered both my legs and possibly would have snapped by back in half resulting in paralysis if I would have landed on my feet. The fact the I landed flat on my back disperced the energy of the impact over my whole body and saved my life. The trick I did is not the issue, it was my decision to jump under icy conditions.
 
obviously you don't have that much experience with inverts or maybe even spins. Its pretty easy to lean a little too far foreward or backward taking off for a straight air... especially off a big hit which would be just as bad as over/underotating a flip. I feel like you have more control over your body in the air when doing a flip or spin bc you can adjust the speed of the trick to the amount of air you are getting while midair. In a straight air you have no way to change the direction/position of your body in the air except rolling the windows down or up which I'm sure we all know doesn't work that well.
 
LOL if only you knew.....

And BradGeiger, as I said, I was not referring to your specific incident, only to a comment the guy made about frontflipping a jump on the first try being "equivalent to a straight air".

On a site populated by many young impressionable kids, comments like that need to be shut down in a hurry.

For example, ask Josh Dueck about the consequences of flipping a jump first hit. (For those who don't know the story, he was a coach, and an amazing skier and a super talented and experienced flipper who guinea'd a jump with a frontflip, overshot, went by, and is now in a wheelchair.)
 
damn. i cant believe you had the state of mind to do the right thing. ive been in teh air realizing i was going to over shoot a 30 footer, and all i can manage to think is fuck this is gonna hurt. i dont even think about thinking about how i should land, or to keep my rotation going or something. i think that shows how good of a skier you really are.
 
I agree with brad. We all should ride for ourselves not the way other people think we should. He admitts that his decision to jump was not the best decision, but I have to give him huge props on his ablity to stay calm and make mid-air adjustments to save his life.

 
there's some truth to what you're saying. but man, the dude is recovering from a serious brain trauma. don't be a dick to him.
 
I just think its funny because had he landed and rode away from it he would have been awesome but going 20 feet farther he is now a bad influence to kids. I could definately be wrong, but I don't remember people telling Dumont he was a bad influence to kids for massivley over shooting a jump. Or Tanner Hall for hitting Chads on a day that it was more like a park jump than a back country jump due to spring conditions.

I coach a freeride team in Northern Utah, and if kids were as easily influenced as you seem to think they are, I wouldn't have nearly as much work to do trying to get kids to try things out of their comfort zone. Kids are smarter than you think, you have a few idiots out there who do whatever they see done, but how about you give humanity's track record of survival a little credit. we didn't all try and squirrel tap T-rex for fun and end up food did we? If we all cared so much about being a bad influence on kids we would all be mad at pro's for getting wasted after contests, or smoking weed all the time. or for hitting rails which is technically breaking the law. if we are going to be on our high horse we should be on it all the time. I'm as guilty as the rest at least I realize I'm a hippocrit.
 
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