Everyone Living in Colorado: Read This (Very Important/Politics)

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StartFragmentStartFragmentColorado is possibly the most importantelectoral state this election, and even if you're not old enough to vote, youcan still help. Especially for those who are undecided or are leaning towardsvoting for McCain: read through these sites (especially the first two), watchthe video, and educate yourself, and pass it on. This is an important electionand it can't afford to be decided by distractions and ignorance of the issues.Show these sites to friends and family, volunteer, donate, and vote if you can.A site detailing (with proof for everyassertion) McCain's hypocrisies and lies:http://www.vetmccain.comA similar site with information on his running mate (who could easilybecome president):http://content.vetpalin.com/index.htmlAnd here is Barack Obama’s speech at the Democratic NationalConvention if you haven’t seen it:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZCrIeRkMhAFor those who say Obama is an empty suit, or someone who isall talk but doesn’t have specifics, you are wrong. Watch the conventionspeech, look at his incredibly detailed Blueprint for Change (http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf),and go to http://www.barackobama.com/issues/For those who say Obama will raise taxes, look at this graphic:
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Or read about it here: http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/index.htmFor those who have any questions about Obama’s religion,patriotism, relationships with William Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Tony Rezko, orany other smears against him, go here: http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome/For those who are 18, register to vote here: http://www.rockthevote.com/
I have more information, so if anyone wants any, just ask.

Of course, this is not just for Coloradans; everyone can helpby spreading this information, and I encourage you to get everyone you know toeducate themselves and vote. But for people who are in Colorado: you are in anamazing position to make a real difference this election, so do it. Tell yourparents, grandparents, friends, parents’ friends, friends’ parents about how weneed change, how Obama will give it to them, and how McCain won’t.

Please at least check out the websites before respondingnegatively, because the answers to any of your criticisms will most likely befound in them, and you will look stupid.EndFragmentEndFragment
 
Here is a link to that image, because it got cut off a little bit:
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An abbreviated list of Obama's positions:

  • Iraq
  • Troops home in 16 months, no permanent bases unless a terrorist group sets up house in Iraq. Then he will house a small strike force.
  • Use political means to pressure Iraq into forming a stable government, and to form stronger alliances with the surrounding nations.
  • Humanitarian relief for the local victims of the war.
[*]Social Security
[*]Strengthen Social Security as it exists today.
[*]Eliminate the income tax for seniors making under $50,000.
[*]Reform bankruptcy laws so that companies declaring bankruptcy are not let off the hook for employee pensions.
[*]Require full disclosure of any company's pension fund investments.
[*]All employers must offer a pension plan.
[*]Expand tax incentives for retirement funds.
[*]Go after age discrimination in workplaces.[/list]
[*]Healthcare
Obama will make available a new national health plan to all Americans, including the self-employed and small businesses, to buy affordable health coverage that is similar to the plan available to members of Congress. The Obama plan will have the following features:
[*]Guaranteed eligibility. No American will be turned away from any insurance plan because of illness or pre-existing conditions.
[*]Comprehensive benefits. The benefit package will be similar to that offered through Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP), the plan members of Congress have. The plan will cover all essential medical services, including preventive, maternity and mental health care.
[*]Affordable premiums, co-pays and deductibles.
[*]Subsidies. Individuals and families who do not qualify for Medicaid or SCHIP but still need financial assistance will receive an income-related federal subsidy to buy into the new public plan or purchase a private health care plan.
[*]Simplified paperwork and reined in health costs.
[*]Easy enrollment. The new public plan will be simple to enroll in and provide ready access to coverage.
[*]Portability and choice. Participants in the new public plan and the National Health Insurance Exchange (see below) will be able to move from job to job without changing or jeopardizing their health care coverage.
[*]Quality and efficiency. Participating insurance companies in the new public program will be required to report data to ensure that standards for quality, health information technology and administration are being met.[/list]
A National Health Insurance Exchange would be created in his first term in office
[*]Would create a series of rules and standards which an HMO would have to abide by or suffer fines
[*]These rules and standards include issuing every applicant a policy, charge fair and stable premiums no matter your state of health, and creating a transparency into the differences between insurer's plans by making every company's plan - including cost - available to the public
[*]Would create a competing government-run national plan as a competitor to the already existing private companies to help bring costs down
[*]Should an employer not offer a proper healthcare plan through a private company, a percentage of their payroll would have to be put towards this national plan (small employers below a certain threshold of earnings would be exempt from this).[/list]

This is a very very detailed part of his platform, so read further here.

[*]Government Transparency and Ethics Reform.
[*]Centralized ethics and lobbying information via an internet database of lobbying reports, ethics records and campaign finance filings.
[*]The creation of an independent watchdog to oversee the investigation of congressional ethics violations.
[*]Creation of a database disclosing how much federal contractors spent on lobbying, which contracts they received and how successful they were in implementing them.
[*]End no bid contracts on all projects over $25,000.
[*]Expose earmarks to scrutiny by having all earmarks attributed to the legislator who requested them and requiring written justification before they can be passed.
[*]Make White House business transparent by disclosing all communications on regulatory issues between White House officials and those outside of government, and by having executive branch negotiations broadcast online.
[*]Hold 21st century fireside chats by requiring all Cabinet officials to conduct national online meetings and answer questions from the public.[/list]

Obama's work in transparency (along with Senator Coburn from across the aisle) already includes USASpending.gov, a searchable database of government spending made available to all citizens. He was also instrumental in passing the most sweeping ethics reform bill since Watergate.

[*]Education
[*]Expand early childhood education
[*]Emphasize math and science
[*]Recruit new teachers
[*]Create the American Opportunity Tax Credit: this universal and fully refundable credit will ensure that the first $4,000 of a college education is completely free for most Americans[/list]
[*]Technology
[*]Protect Net Neutrality
[*]Strengthen and expand our communications infrastructure[/list]
[*]Immigration
[*]Secure the borders
[*]Improve the immigration system to reduce the number of illegal immigrants
[*]Allow illegal immigrants who are in good standing to pay a fine, learn English, and move to the back of the line for the opportunity to become citizens[/list]
[*]Economy
[*]Provide a tax cut for working families and sunset the Bush tax cuts for the rich
[*]Amend NAFTA
[*]Protect the right to unionize
[*]Invest in manufacturing
[*]Ensure accountability in subprime mortgage industry and end predatory loan practices
[*]Reform bankruptcy laws[/list]
[*]Short-Term Economic Stimulus
In the short term, Barack Obama's recently-released economic stimulus plan would enact these measures from his overall economic plan:
[*]Half the $500 tax credit listed at the top would be implemented immediately for both working Americans and seniors, with the other $250 coming if a three-month decline continues following the first half's implementation
[*]Establish a $10 billion fund to avoid home foreclosure, allowing families facing said foreclosure to remortgage their homes or sell them, keeping property values from declining
[*]Provide a $10 billion relief "safety net" for states and local governments hit hardest by the housing crisis to keep services like education, and health and infrastructure running
[*]In addition to these stimuli taken from his administrative economic policy, Obama also says that there should be a temporary extension and expansion of unemployment insurance for those who have exhausted their current eligibility to offset the older Americans who are having trouble re-entering the job market, thus allowing consumer spending to remain at an acceptable level, as well as extending unemployment insurance eligibility to more workers - including part-time and non-traditional workers currently left out of the program.[/list]
[*]Women's Rights
[*]Senator Obama is dedicated to preserving a woman’s right to choose and has received a rating of 100% from Planned Parenthood
[/list][/list]

 
From Colorado and I am very educated in both sides of the election. I skimmed over your arguments and I hope it will help people decide where to vote. I know Colorado is a very important swing state, that's why the DNC was here because we have voted republican many year before, but I hope people understand both sides and make there own decision. It is just important to get both sides/facts out there so the Coloradian people can make the right decision
 
OBAMA 08. He knows how to put lipstick on a pig.

haha

anyway I am an Obama supporter so go OBAMA!
 
bump. sorry about the formatting, there were spaces in between those words before i sent it i swear.

and here's that image because it doesn't look like it's showing up
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California is already a lock for the Democrats. Colorado could go either way, and it could be the deciding factor if the polls are right and Obama's best chance of winning is by getting all the states Kerry took in 2004 plus Iowa, New Mexico, and Colorado. There are other swing states as well (Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Nevada) but the path of least resistance lies in getting Colorado, as Iowa and New Mexico have polled Democrat pretty consistently.
 
As much as I respect your right to a personal opinon, you just look silly coming in and telling people to vote McCain just because he's GOP. Especially when the OP had two posts worth of info on Obama, why to vote for him, and his stances on the issues.

And before this turns into another political argument thread, why doesn't some McCain supporter post McCain's stance on the issues? It'd be a much better use of a post than stubbornly arguing about the candidates.
 
BUSH AND CHENEY '08!

but seriously. i dont like the idea of Obama as president. i think he will make mistakes too often. i do like most of his policies and things though, like how hes trying to decriminalize weed! but hes just not ready for the job IMO.

i like McCain because hes a tough motherfucker and he doesnt bullshit people about this war its gonna keep going on whether we like it or not. Bush made a huge mistake and its hard to just fix something like that as easily as Obama wants to. i agree with his stances almost perfectly and i like that hes a more left wing republican rather than a right winger.

but seriously, Bush and Cheney 08.

 
http://www.knowmccain.com
This is actually a slightly better site than the one above, so check this one out too. And to the person above me, it's interesting to know that Iraqi Prime Minister al Maliki supports Obama's plan for Iraq for what it's worth.
 
To be fair, here is a link to McCain's issues page:

And here is Sarah Palin caught not knowing what the Bush Doctrine--one of the most significant foreign policy doctrines in recent U.S. history--is.
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Here is her entire interview that that bit was taken from: http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5778018&page=1

Call her folksy or whatever as much as you want, but I would rather the person in the white house know more about foreign policy than I do.
 
I'll admit that it is biased, but completely factual. Try to prove them wrong if you disagree.

As for the second part, I don't believe you. Show me proof.
 
I don't understand what you're saying, but if you don't think the opinion of the Iraqi Prime Minister is worth anything I'm not sure there's any point in discussing this.
 
I'd post up some truths about Obama again but I'm tired of it getting deleted by the mods.

Obama is a nobody, he's a fake, he's nothing but his charisma. His knowledge of foreign relations and international politics is abysmal. Just look what a good job he did fucking shit up in Kenya.
 
It should have been Romney - Palin 08. You have Romney who knows whats up, and Palin who would get him the base votes from religious conservatives.

The republicans fucked up hardcore letting Romney slip through. I mainly blame that asshole Huckabee.
 
If you have nothing to back this up with (voting records, articles, things he or the campaign have said, etc.) then you don't deserve a response. Give me some substance and we'll discuss it.

This goes for anyone else, too. You won't be taken seriously if you don't have some evidence for your claims. Not just in this thread but in any discussion. It's a good habit to get into.
 
If that were the case and two religious nut jobs took the reign of this country... well id move to australia
 
Because nowadays anyone of faith is lumped into "religious nutjob" correct? Or is that only for right wing policians?

But someone who follows true nutjob bullshit known as "black liberation theology" is exempt from such criticism.

 
You sure are clever, especially since I've provided a million times more substance than any McCain supporter here. If you looked at my OP I gave information about where to find specific policy details and even reposted lots of it so you don't even have to follow a link.
 
Finally you are correct. Everyone with fundamentalism faith views are nutjobs. Over 40% of the US believes in creationism, do you know how fucked up that is? Think about it.

What is the difference between Osama Bin Laden and a fundamentalist christian?

Nothing.
 
he answered his own question so of course not. haha.

oh and any biased group can go through an opponents check list of things they want to do and have said and point out the holes, we aren't seeing mcains counter. without that this means nothing. AND both parties wont fullfill shit of what they are going to say. thats politics, all talk, no action. nothing gets done unless theres money and theres no money without war. its a vicious cycle. American Democracy has failed here, and there's no need to make it fail somewhere else, like iraq, where they dont even want it, or know much about it to make it work.
 
please show me when obama said that he supported any such thing.

palin by your logic then wants to convert jews to jesus since her pastor had ties to a bunch of them.
 
Id love to think people will actually change their minds but i dont really think anyone will care. People are too loyal to their parties and just vote that way whether their candidate is better or not. I personally support obama and i think that he is the best thing for this country right now because our regime right now is really old fashion and regressive. I personally am more of a progressive person. Obama is that person McCain isnt. But thats my opinion. Supposedly there is something like different in the brain composition of republicans and demcorats so i really dont feel like many people will change their views regardless of whats shown. People can argue all they want but in reality nothing will change unless a drastic point is made that this guy is alot better than the other. Right now with the war republicans mentalities are we need to protect our country while democrats believe we need to get out of there cause nothing is working. It just keeps going back and fourth, so really i dont feel like all these anti Obama/McCain videos are gonna make much of an impact on most people. There might be a couple but not enough to make a real difference.

 
obamas pastor follows black liberation theology. obama has attended that church for 17 years. i dont think he would have done that if he disagreed with black liberation theology. makes perfect sense to me. my pastor is presbyterian, that makes me presbyterian. i dont understand the palin/jews thing tho. could you elaborate?
 
her pastor is a strong supporter of a jews for jesus group that wants to basically go out and convert jews to christians.

she has attended that church for quite some time as well. therefore she wants to convert jews to christians right?

as to obama, you dont see him screaming out the insanities of his pastor, i think its pretty safe to say that hes not going to turn into him.
 
ok. palin wants to convert jews. great. pretty much all christian churches want to convert non-christians so who cares. not even in the same ballpark as obamas churchs problems.

and of course obama doesnt repeat the things jeremiah wright says. hes trying to win not lose. its all about telling people what they want to hear and thats definitly not black liberation theology,

 
I dare anyone to refute the points I provided. No one has even attempted to so far because they are concrete facts. Just because reality is biased in Obama's favor doesn't make it unfair. The attitude that there are always two equally good sides to an argument needs to stop. It's not true.
 
its not like we should show them the light its like. OMG THEYRE EVIL PEOPLE WE MUST MAKE THEM CHRISTIANS.
 
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