EUROPE IS DYING

ATLANTASKI

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this is a thread from the proud american cult that i thought would be a great piece of literature for all yall liberals to read- origianlly posted by quinny btw( good work dawg)

An open letter to Europe

Hi. Are you nuts?

Forgive me for being so blunt, but your reaction to our reelection of President Bush has been so outrageous that I'm wondering if you have quite literally lost your minds. One of Britain's largest newspapers ran a headline asking 'How Can 59 Million Americans Be So Dumb?', and commentators.

in France all seemed to use the same word - bizarre -- to explain the election's outcome to their readers. In Germany the editors of Die Tageszeitung responded to our vote by writing that 'Bush belongs at a war tribunal - not in the White House.' And on a London radio talk show last week one Jeremy Hardy described our President and those of us who voted for him as 'stupid, crazy, ignorant, bellicose Christian fundamentalists.'

Of course, you are entitled to whatever views about us that you care to hold. And lucky for you we Americans aren't like so many of the Muslims on your own continent; as the late Dutch film maker Theo van Gogh just discovered, make one nasty crack about them and you're likely to get six bullets pumped into your head and a knife plunged into your chest.

But before you write us off as just a bunch of sweaty, hairy-chested, Bible-thumping morons who are more likely to break their fast by dipping a Krispy Kreme into a diet cola than a biscotti into an espresso - and who inexplicably have won more Nobel prizes than all other countries combined, host 25 or 30 of the world's finest universities and five or six of the world's best symphonies, produce wines that win prizes at your own tasting competitions, have built the world's most vibrant economy, are the world's only military superpower and, so to speak in our spare time, have landed on the moon and sent our robots to Mars - may I suggest you stop frothing at the mouth long enough to consider just what are these ideas we hold that you find so silly and repugnant?

We believe that church and state should be separate, but that religion should remain at the center of life. We are a Judeo-Christian culture, which means we consider those ten things on a tablet to be commandments, not suggestions. We believe that individuals are more important than groups, that families are more important than governments, that children should be raised by their parents rather than by the State, and that marriage should take place only between a man and a woman. We believe that rights must be balanced by responsibilities, that personal freedom is a privilege we must be careful not to abuse, and that the rule of law cannot be set aside when it becomes inconvenient. We believe in economic liberty, and in the right of purposeful and industrious entrepreneurs to run their businesses - and thus create jobs - with a minimum of government interference. We recognize that other people see things differently, and we are tolerant of their views. But we believe that our country is worth defending, and if anyone decides that killing us is an okay thing to do we will go after them with everything we've got.

If these beliefs seem strange to you, they shouldn't. For these are precisely the beliefs that powered Western Europe - you -- from the Middle Ages into the Renaissance, on to the Enlightenment, and forward into the modern world. They are the beliefs that made Europe itself the glory of Western civilization and - not coincidentally - ignited the greatest outpouring of art, literature, music and scientific discovery the world has ever known including Michaelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, Shakespeare, Bach, Issac Newton and Descartes.

Europe is Dying

It is your abandonment of these beliefs that has created the gap between Europe and the United States. You have ceased to be a Judeo-Christian culture, and have become instead a secular culture. And a secular culture quickly goes from being 'un-religious' to anti-religious. Indeed, your hostility to the basic concepts of Judaism and Christianity has literally been written into your new European Union constitution, despite the Pope's heroic efforts to the contrary.

Your rate of marriage is at an all-time low, and the number of abortions in Europe is at an all-time high. Indeed, your birth rates are so far below replacement levels that in 30 years or so there will be 70 million fewer Europeans alive than are alive today. Europe is literally dying. And of the children you do manage to produce, all too few will be raised in stable, two-parent households.

Your economy is stagnant because your government regulators make it just about impossible for your entrepreneurs to succeed - except by fleeing to the United States, where we welcome them and celebrate their success.

And your armed forces are a joke. With the notable exception of Great Britain, you no longer have the military strength to defend yourselves. Alas, you no longer have the will to defend yourselves

What worries me even more than all this is your willful blindness. You refuse to see that it is you, not we Americans, who have abandoned Western Civilization. It's worrisome because, to tell you the truth, we need each other. Western Civilization today is under siege, from radical Islam on the outside and from our own selfish hedonism within. It's going to take all of our effort, our talent, our creativity and, above all, our will to pull through. So take a good, hard look at yourselves and see what your own future will be if you don't change course. And please, stop sneering at America long enough to understand it. After all, Western Civilization was your gift to us, and you ought to be proud of what we Americans have made of it.

Herbert E. Meyer

[Herbert E. Meyer served during the Reagan Administration as Special Assistant to the Director of Central Intelligence and Vice Chairman of the CIA's National Intelligence Council. His DVD on The Siege of Western Civilization is a nationwide best-seller.]

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Just remember this next time someone in Europe looks down their nose at this country.

' That's like saying gay sex helps with your technique.'- Skiierman on loafriders comment about how skiboards help your balance when you land.

 
meh. just read the last sentence as follows: After all, Western Civilization was your gift to us, and you ought to be proud of what we Americans have made of it.

thats prob. what it was about

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Rocky Racoon
 
very interesting letter, but if the peons saw that theyd say howwe should worry abut ourselves...yet they cant seem to butt out of or choice in president

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i have respect for musical artists who are MUSICAL...not people who lip synch. minus britney spears cuz her concert was the shit.-SnowKristaL
 
'Indeed, your birth rates are so far below replacement levels that in 30 years or so there will be 70 million fewer Europeans alive than are alive today'

I hardly think de-population is a big problem, much better for everyone.

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A self serving feel-good rant.

My heroes don't appear on no stamps.

Don't be such a swineherd. -Anewmorning

Our greatest glory consists not in never falling. But in rising every time we fall.

 
good fucking riddance. they figured out that popping out little puppet-babies doesnt do anyone any good and that some population control is in order to keep little bunny-fucking christians and the rest of the third world that keeps popping out little starving bellies. you realize all your asshole missionaries arent the solution to all the starvatino and whatnot, its to stop fucking. its all pent up christian sexual anxt. eat shit and die and come back humbled.

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You know the Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear.

once back when i was a fetus i was aborted. it didn't hurt at all, but i was also high on life at the time. - thisangelicrage

its not rape....its surprise sex. you wake up and SURPRISE you had sex with me haha - huckster989

liberals think killing babies can be both fun and profitable, while conservatives think killing foreigners can be both fun and profitable - ice-is-scary

 
Yar rhetorical bullshit.

My heroes don't appear on no stamps.

Don't be such a swineherd. -Anewmorning

Our greatest glory consists not in never falling. But in rising every time we fall.

 
and whats this 'we' shit, i dont want to read that. i dont care who wrote it, especially if it is some mindless actors spy-pig. im american and i dont believe most of that. my parents are american... AND christian and theres a lot of that they dont believe. leave it to some sweaty, hairy-chested, bible-thumping moron to bturn a political or logical argument into a battle of morals. just another illiterate son of a bitch who cant seperate the message from the words.

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You know the Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear.

once back when i was a fetus i was aborted. it didn't hurt at all, but i was also high on life at the time. - thisangelicrage

its not rape....its surprise sex. you wake up and SURPRISE you had sex with me haha - huckster989

liberals think killing babies can be both fun and profitable, while conservatives think killing foreigners can be both fun and profitable - ice-is-scary

 
crystal...you are so completely full of shit, that i can hardly contain myself. i love when some stupid ass punk kid like you insults the intelligence of a person that is so obviously more intelligent than you are. i'm sure that the special assistant to the director of the CIA and vice chairman of the CIA's national intelligence council is closer to being illiterate than you are. yeah, right. you, my friend, are exactly the type that we should hope wouldn't be born as a result of population control, if we actually felt a need to curb the growth of the human race, so that our world would be saved from the infestation of your idiocy. please, treat yourself to a little helping of shit, and then slay yourself, to both save us the trouble and so that we can be rid of you.

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'You have a massive erection'
'No you see it just the pants, it's the pleats, it gives an optical illusion. I'm actually taking them back to the pants store right now. I'm just going to walk this situtation off. Don't act like you're not impressed.' -Anchorman
 
like it or not, there are many blunt truths in that article.

-Joel

~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~
Capital City Rider, DFP
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'Everybody calls me a zero. But I'm an internet hero.'
 
like or not, that article left a lot of stuff out

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F.I.S. RuLeS

RaCiN FoR lIfE

SoMeOnE's GotTa RePresEnT tHe RaCeRs In A NeWsChOoL wOrld - ME!!
 
When i read that letter I thought it was hilarious, and I was sure that everyone else would realise what a load of rubbish it was, but sadly not everyone did, so now i feel i have to come to europe's defense (without, hopefully sounding like I'm trashing on americ)...The whole letter is utter shit but i will just pick out a few points worth commenting on, oh and i promise i will try my hardest not to 'sneer at America' but apparently being European i can't help but do so, so i do apologise.

This guy puts over 600 million people and dozens of countries into one bracket and compares them to 300 million other people put into another bracket!! What a load of shit! Just because I'm European doesn't mean that I'm not Christian or that I find American ideals 'so silly and repugnant' (although if too many people support this letter then i might have to change my mind!).

I especially liked the hitler bit ('we Americans aren't like so many of the Muslims on your own continent') which is, in my view, pretty hypocritical. Im not going to bring up specific examples because i dont want to offend anyone, but im sure you can all think of high-profile examples of American citizens getting 'six bullets pumped into their head and a knife plunged into their chest' just for making a 'nasty crack' at a fellow american. Also, isnt it pretty contradictory to follow this racist, anti-muslim comment by accusing Europe of being 'anti-religious'?!

The fact that America has 'inexplicably won more Nobel prizes than all other countries combined' actually seems pretty explicable to me: america is by far the largest developed country in the world, i think it would be pretty inexplicable if it HADN'T won more Nobel prizes than every other country!

'you no longer have the will to defend yourselves' - defend ourselves against what please??

Forgive me for saying so but isnt Mr. Meyer's reaction to our 'reaction to the reelection of President Bush' just as outrageous as our initial reaction?? (wierd sentence, sorry).

Anyway, I've babbled on for long enough. I'm sure I didn't need to point this out to most of you and I do hope you believe me when I say we don't all think that Americans are arrogant and dumb good-for-nothing bible-bashers, but I really don't think people like this guy really help the general perception of americans very much.

Rich

 
And lucky for you we Americans aren't like so many of the Muslims on your own continent; as the late Dutch film maker Theo van Gogh just discovered, make one nasty crack about them and you're likely to get six bullets pumped into your head and a knife plunged into your chest.

Most ignorant, untrue view EVER. I stopped readin here. This guy is so full of shit it's not even funny.

-Pat
 
'the rule of law cannot be set aside when it becomes inconvenient.'

unless you're George W. and you really really really want to invade iraq. then its ok to break international law.

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Rich,

That whole article was wrote based on one mans opinion of Europe in general. I'm sure he realizes that you don't all think Americans are arrogant and some of you are indeed religious. But when headlines in European newspapers read 'How Can 59 Million Americans Be So Dumb', it shows the general attitude Europeans have towards Americans. Your so called democracy is ever changing into socialism, and with it your losing religion and marriage rates are down. Now remember, when I say you I mean Europeans in general. Oh and it's not racist to say that in a lot of muslim countries, a couple wrong words can get you shot, cause it's true.

big whoop wanna fight about it?
 
ooh, this is about to get ugly

I don't deny there are bad things in the US right now, hell, 51% of the country to be exact. But god damnit, our country being fat is NOT a problem. I do't give a shit how fat people are. hell, fat kids are harder to kidnap, that means our country is safer.

-melvs
 
i thought it good for the most part

PS:from what i have heard in euro class and from other Sources is that the Population decline is a Issue over there especially in italy or one of those Countrys in the fact that the Population is geting older and there are less young People to take care of the ageing popultaion.

Also the renaissance was a time where the thinking of people was to not look for all their answers in the church,that is true. But take a look at the art of the time period, the church still had a very strong hold on the every day life so I don’t know how far a step it was away from the church but more of a shift in every day thinking. that’s just my tow cents

Good topic

 
so because europe is going to become less over crowded, and doesn't feel the need to have a huge military and be involved in wars, and dont let all there decisions be governed by a 2000 year old doctorine ect they are on a decline... right i think crystal said the rest for me so i can stop now

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Pat

'The deep south? Isn't that the place where the black people are lazy and the white people are just as lazy, but they are mad at the black people for being lazy?'
 
“And lucky for you we Americans aren't like so many of the Muslims on your own continent; as the late Dutch film maker Theo van Gogh just discovered, make one nasty crack about them and you're likely to get six bullets pumped into your head and a knife plunged into your chest.�

There’s no problem with Muslims in Europe, how many are gunned down in America every year compared to Europe?

“produce wines that win prizes at your own tasting competitions�

Congratulations my friend, you guys must be special…

“If these beliefs seem strange to you, they shouldn't. For these are precisely the beliefs that powered Western Europe - you -- from the Middle Ages into the Renaissance�

Along with monarchy and aristocracy, and “holy crusades� (I guess you’ve got the last one covered as well)

“Indeed, your hostility to the basic concepts of Judaism and Christianity has literally been written into your new European Union constitution, despite the Pope's heroic efforts to the contrary.�

Didn’t you guys believe in separating church and state?

“and that the rule of law cannot be set aside when it becomes inconvenient.�

Is the law set aside in europe? When? What about the “bush-al gore� recount.

I don’t hate Americans, but that article wasn’t worth reading, I must say you guys got pretty unpopular in Europe by re-electing mr. bush.

 
Europe ahs been the centre of world power scince ancient Greece-around 2500 to 3000 years ago. Its had the most powerful Empires the world has ever seen and now America has taken the mantle for the last 40 to 50 years people are slightly annoyed. However most peoples problem with the USA comes from comments such as 'And lucky for you we Americans aren't like so many of the Muslims on your own continent' and the people like Atlantaski that make them. What people also cant understand is why the country is ruled by the conservatives from crap towns in middle America, but all of the countrys economic strength comes from the West and East coasts which are far more like Western Europeans. And therefore much easier to get along with.

'Wait, if your mom is a gold digger then she is probably hot, so get with your mom!'
^Snowforblood
 
I must say, it's halarious for me to read most of these responses defending this article. It really shows how stupid you all are.

-Pat
 
Bottom line is that Europe is on the decline. Think of the days when England, Italy, Spain, and even France, yes France, were the centers of the world (if you will). Now look at them. Europe is not what it once was, international power wise, they are at an all time low. Forget all that other shit in the artical, Europe is only a fraction of what it once was.

Politicaly Active Since 1992

'Soberity is not an option.'

Drivin that Train
 
and that statment there shows what a genius you are melvs! keep up the good work!

Mercy's eyes are blue

When she places them in front of you

Nothing holds a roman candle to

The solemn warmth you feel inside

 
One thing that should be remembered with all this stuff about George Bush is that there was hardly any Anti American feeling in Europe when Bill Clinton was in power and that wasnt very long ago.

'Wait, if your mom is a gold digger then she is probably hot, so get with your mom!'
^Snowforblood
 
Actually BigJ, I think Europe is on the rise. I agree they aren't the centers of the world they once were, not ever close. However, I think with all the EU stuff happening, Europe is becoming a much bigger power then it was not to long ago. A lot fo the 2nd and 3rd world contries are starting to rebuild and come into their own. Granted, it's not the power it was in the past, but it's becoming more powerful then it has been for awhile.

-Pat
 
once again, lanks has the best post on here... as a europen american, europe does have an inferiority complex, ever since the US gained industrial might enough to surpass Europe.

to whoever said that muslims aren't a problem in europe, it depends where you stand: they are a huge help because, at least in france, the average person does not want to diminish themsleves to do cosntruction work, or sweep the street, whereas the immigrants from north africa are willing to work, because they get better money than in their own country. but on the otherside, where ther is a high concentration of muslims, crime and violence goes up, and religious intolerance from the cozy laid back self procalaimed catholics that french people are and the muslims grows alot.

and the loss of paopultaion poses a big problem in france, mainly because of the system of retirement, where the young workers pay for the retirement of the old: with less young people to work, they will either have to work more, or longer to provide the retired what they have gained in 40 years of work (on average)

europe is declining, and the un religiousity is rammpnat and often problemetic, i think the best part was the part about the children being raised by a stable couple: this is now a rarity...

i had other stuff to say, but i still think that lanks' post was the best by far, and its time to eat...

end rant.

-Patty
Vis ton cassage et tais toi!

Its NS... retards blend in. - J.D._May

I give my life to you Lord, and my trust resides in your Grace.

Stupidity is the relaxation of intelligence.
 
We sterotype Europeans, Europeans Sterotype us, We're all one sterotypical world.

The smart man does not know everything, rather the smart man admits when he knows nothing.
 
k so... i got home from skiing all day then driving like 10 hours yesterday so my brain was kinda... off. but uh... basically that guys full of shit and... i disagree. the end.

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You know the Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear.

once back when i was a fetus i was aborted. it didn't hurt at all, but i was also high on life at the time. - thisangelicrage

its not rape....its surprise sex. you wake up and SURPRISE you had sex with me haha - huckster989

liberals think killing babies can be both fun and profitable, while conservatives think killing foreigners can be both fun and profitable - ice-is-scary

 
its on the decline. i just read about it. you can too, if you pay attention.

Mercy's eyes are blue

When she places them in front of you

Nothing holds a roman candle to

The solemn warmth you feel inside

 
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