Enough With The LINE Hate - READ

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Alright, I've had enough. Just cause the Invaders "sucked" this year doesn't mean everyone should automatically hate LINE, since most of you probably havnt read the 06-07 LINE thread, here's what a rep (or Levinthal himself, not sure) from LINE said about the Invaders and past years.

Quoted from Snowninja on Jan 27, 2006:

I've always been straight up with you guys so here's some Line durability clarification. I know for a fact that over the past 3 years there has been no brand of ski out there more durable than ours. I know other companies warranty return rates from shops and our skis have been the least. 10 years of evolution building skis for the most abusive skiers on the planet has lead us to be extremely innovative and create one-of-a-kind materials and constructions like our Macroblock Core, the Fatty Base & Fatty Edge and overall assembly and construction processs to maximize durability. On another note we did have more problems than normal with the Invader this year regarding the occcassional random delam then other models. Our engineers have now been able to fully analys the situation and gotten to the bottom of it. We already changed the molds on next years to eliminate any delams just like all of our other models of skis.

It would be easy each year to just put a new graphic on the same old ski or make a new ski with the exact same features and construction but as always we developed a revolutionary new ski with tons of new features from scratch which I think you all appreciated from what I read. With innovation comes learning and next year we'll have an innovative product again and this time as bombproof as the all the skis we're known to be.

Thanks for the support,

Jason

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So basically, don't say LINE sucks right away. Give them another chance. Just because they tried something amazingly inovative and progresive towards the ski community doesn't give kids on the site to start a massive unofficial boycott from what other disappointed costomers have recieved.

Sure, I own the Invaders, yes they have delamed a little, but I'm not complaining. Why? Because the ski is amazing, the edges underfoot havn't worn down a bit, the bases are scratched very little underneigth from the grass skiing on the east, and the random rocks on the limited amount of snow, and the ski rides great. The butter zone is really fun, it's not as soft as most people think it is, the Invader is sturdy. And the centermounted bindings provides for a fun park ski. Everyone that has tried out my skis (from racing Rossis, to Soloman 1080s) say that my skis are really fun. They provide for pop, and the length in the back keeps from slding out on backseat landings which tend to happen.

So what all the kids on NS are going to say is that the Invaders suck just because of a small cosmetic problem? and everyone's going to believe them, and LINE will loose valubal business? I sure hope not. And besides, what happened to everyone saying they don't care about the looks of their ski, it's the way it rides, not the topsheets' looks?

LINE's a core company and has been from the start, they helped progress twin-tips as far, if not more, than anyone else in the business. I know I will continue to buy their products. If anyone disagrees wiht me, saying "oh, well that's what you get for buying a 300 dollar pair of skis" I'll just reply, "Damn, I made out with a hell of a deal didn't I? As you're riding down the hill with your 600 dollar Armadas that are no better then the Invader.

Thanks for reading, and I hope I convinced some people to stop the hate.

 
good call man, a lot of people arent hating on line though. im sure some are but for most i think they are just trying to let people know about the invaders. all the other line skis have great durability and are good skis. the invaders are an exception from the rest. the truth is they do tend to delam. im not hatin, thats just the facts. props for the post though, def good call
 
Yea, just to add to the durability question. There's a bunch of kids I know, who have LINE's that are like 2-3 years old, and they've been rocking them since they bought them and to be honest, they all look in afairly good condition. And there are some fairly sick skiers at my resort.
 
this is what i've been trying to tell people, you'll see more people riding last years chronic than any other skis from 04-05. and this started because a couple of kids had their chronic wides delam, that's two people halfway into the season, so that sounds like a solid ski to me, and i've heard zero complaints about the normal chronics.
 
Well, he would say that, since he owns the company. But nonetheless I support line for how they treat the industry at every level. I mean, I love Armada, but do you see them, or 4frnt, sponsoring a bunch of ski comps? I've seen 2 great amateur comps this year in YGO and LOTP, and Line played a huge role in both. Add to that the innovation with the product.. have you ever skiied anything like the Bacon? I don't even know what it'll feel like, but I definitely want to find out. Finally, anybody remember a story recently about a guy walking into LINE headquarters with a pair of busted ass skis and having J lev give him a new pair of some sick 1 of a kind special topsheet sticks? I mean that's just off the top of my head... Line is a great company and deserves all the support any of us can give them.
 
line is one of, if not the most innovative ski company out there. If the skis have a problem this year (which only a small percentage do), they well fix it. Each ski gets better every year.
 
yea definatly give them a chance, they were experimenting with something new. its to bad that the invaders really didn't work out. I am however sick of so many kids complaining/ making threds about how their invaders are delaming
 
to all the line haters

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"As you're riding down the hill with your 600 dollar Armadas that are no better then the Invader."

My 600 dollar armadas didnt fucking fall apart. Id laugh in your face.
 
I had Invaders they were awsome but the edge blew out in the powder , but they are only for park and it was my mistake. I also have some darksides that I ahve used for 3 seasons and theyare are in perfect condition they only have some cosmetic damage. So stop complaining about Line.
 
That wasn't my point. My point was the Invaders ride just as well, if not better in some aspects, as them for half the price, the delam is just a minor cosmetic thing.
 
also what armadas cost 600

that would be compared to the invader in the terrain that they are target to be skied on?
 
I concur I guess, to get this more known.

But to answer your other question, I was tinking along the lines of the T-hall model. It's alot similar to the Invader, a bit floppier though.
 
actually my skis are made from a better quality material and own the invader in my opinion, last longer, dont fall apart and i dont waste time with warranty after warranty.. to each his own. There is a reason they cost so much.
 
man amen i have invaders and well yeah they do have some cosmetic problems. but there a brand new concept, and ofcourse theres going to be flaws.I warrentyed one pair already LINE was cool and sent me a new pair. the new pair is shit to but. it's such a wonderfull ski i'm buying them next year no quetions asked even before i heard all this news about them fising the dlam problem.

thats my 2 cents
 
i had the invaders and yes they fell apart, but i knew that shit happens and i went and bought the elizabeths, most people probably would have been like "oh line sucks" but not me i gave them anoter chance and i love my Elizabeths, so on all the haters on anything that has to do with skiing......................is this where you wanna be when the ski gods come down and see you hating on something you decided to join?
 
ok i love line as much as the next guy, but to say that the invaders delam issues are just minor, thats just wrong. the invaders have to be the least durable ski on the market for this year. three hundred bills is quite an investment for a lot of teenagers that have to work for their equiptment. in my opinion, people should be mad with a company if their skis delam after being on the hill for three or four days.
 
Ive seen atleast a few pairs of armadas with delam and edge missing, Ive seen one pair of invaders with topsheet damage and the kid didnt care, and the owners of the armadas didnt care either, they both ride park and glades and they go by the adage, "shit happens"
 
I want to put this on the record... that topsheet delam everyone is talking about is NOT detrimental to the performance of the ski that I have seen in any way what so ever. Its not the laminate coming off of the core of the ski. I have a friend that rips shit on those sticks and he is 6 something 225... if they were going to break they would break under his body weight for sure. the topsheet lets say... has issues where it peals off at times... doesnt effect structural integrity
 
some skis its just the thin layer of laminate the graphic is printed on, but ive seen a lot of them on the mountain that the top sheet, edge, and p-tex are all separating.
 
"On another note we did have more problems than normal with the Invader this year regarding the occcassional random delam then other models. Our engineers have now been able to fully analys the situation and gotten to the bottom of it. We already changed the molds on next years to eliminate any delams just like all of our other models of skis."

It just goes to show you, they know the mold was fucked, and they fixed it.
 
what pisses me off the most is when a kid on here asks for some info about skis, and someone says "well I don't have 'em, but I heard that all the line skis were falling apart..so don't get those."

They read maybe 2 posts about chronic-wides having some de-lam problems, and automatically set it into their brain that all chronics have no duribliaty, and then give false info, and turn away a potential line customer. it's bullshit.

and to the person above who was saying that the Invader has to be the least durable ski out there, and how it's quite an investment for a teen to drop 300 bucks on skis....LINE has been warrenty-ing them like crazy. They know they have a fucked up product, and are taking responsiblity for them. So if your skis fall apart, send them back for new ones.
 
PS. delam is a major structural thing , it is NOT cosmetic. Fuck the skis fall apart and your dumbass keep's buying them.
 
from what ive seen the invaders dont "delam" it is more of a topsheet chipping except for one case where the dude clocked a rail head on and the whole tip ( topsheet,core,edges and base) came apart

i dont ride line and havent cuase my shops dont carry but i think they are doing a good job at leading the sport in another direction and have very innovative designs.
 
excuse me? everyone should read this post again.

you think that since the skis are designed for primarily park that you CAN'T take them in powder because they'll fall apart? what's wrong with you? if an edge blows out in powder it's one shitty ski, and it is NOT your mistake, take em back, get some new skis, those things suck balls. designed for park doesn't mean that you can't take them out and do other things, sure something like the thalls won't do that great outside the park, but you won't see the edge blowing out in powder. you should be able to ride any ski anywhere and have it not fall apart (other than on rocks and concrete of course, or if you slam them on to rails every day you should be expecting some damage).
 
I realize he's an idiot for saying that. But his edge probably did blow out from hitting a rock, or a harsh landing, since LINE admited the molds are messed up, weird landings or hitting a rock could quite possibly hurt the ski. Remember LINE admited
 
The only complaint i have with Line is with their reactors, but you know what? I dont really care. For a small company to try to start manufacturing bindings, especially with such an innovative design, you gotta give them credit just for trying it out. Besides, i myself will not be deterred from buying their products because of a delam problem this year. Thats what next year is for. Great things are made out of reworked failures.
 
the invaders seem to be the only ski with real problems this year: next year theyll be sick for sure. I probably wont get them just because im a big mountain skier, but their chronics are a new innovative ski that is awesome. They should make a series of chronics.
 
How exactly was the invader "revolutionary?" It is a price point park ski, like, oh the Fujative? Maybe you have heard of it? Yeah, it has this wierd flex pattern and thickened edges like the invader. Only, it doesnt fall apart. As a proud chronic owner myself, I know that line makes nice skis. But I think that if your skis are delaming as quickly as I have seen the Invaders, something should have been fixed in product testing. Fun ski? Sure. Revolutionary? Probably not.
 
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