i skied on the 193's for one run thats all it took to realise they are scary mother fuckers. if you ski these everyday you are the man. i ski on my 179 seths for everything. the other week i skied on next years labs, i think there 197's and 107mm in the waist, nearly center mounted they were a blast had to be charging if i wanted to turn but were real stable, deffinitly handled better on piste then the ehp, i know 2 guys that ride there EHP on big lines and love um, but you have to be a charger, if your not you won't have fun on them.