Edwards: "We believe marriage is between a man and a woman."

marrige is an institution of religion. whats your point?

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Explain to me how the Bible was used to justify slavery? I have read it through, and have NEVER found ANYTHING but respect for others as its central theme. Have you read it?

But in my posts I am NOT bashing gay people, I am simply stating that I belive gay marriage will be bad for society. Keep in mind there are many gay people who DO NOT WANT to get married.

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hey I didn't say it even said it anywhere. All I said is they tried to use THE BIBLE TO JUSTIFY SLAVERY!! go back to the 1800's and ask them.You cannot deny the fact that the divorce rate is a bigger problem than gay marriage. Gays are actually fighting for it, while people are getting divorced and anulled right and left. now please explain to me how allowing gay marriage would hurt society at all

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LeZbo, you telling people to stop preaching their shit is the same as you preaching your own brand of shit. Say your peace and don't get judgemental. Not every religious person is preaching to you by saying what they think.

 
go back to the 1800's and ask them?

consider that one submitted to the committee.

Mercy's eyes are blue

When she places them in front of you

Nothing holds a roman candle to

The solemn warmth you feel inside

 
^good call. what is it that is going to be ruined by gay marriages, that fact that half of all marriages end in divorce? yea, we've got a lot to lose.

'well i bumed into kristi once and she was like 'yo me and pep are gonna get big gulps, you in? and i was like, Shit yea bitch, let me bring rory bushfeild and hibbert, cause were really tight' -Mikael420

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'Taphephobia is the fear of being buried alive. ' weird, i sort of thought that was just human nature.
 
if any of you personally knew someone who was gay, I think you would have a different opinion on this subject. Most people make fun of mentally ill people because they don't know any personally, but if your brother was retarded, I'm sure you wouldn't make fun of them. Same concept. I was raised to believe that God loves all his children, including gays. Get over it. People used to think blacks were actually animals, but look at it now. Find me some really good quotes against homosexuality in the bible please

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^that was in reply to leZbo

'well i bumed into kristi once and she was like 'yo me and pep are gonna get big gulps, you in? and i was like, Shit yea bitch, let me bring rory bushfeild and hibbert, cause were really tight' -Mikael420

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Useless Fact of the Moment:

'Taphephobia is the fear of being buried alive. ' weird, i sort of thought that was just human nature.
 
I have one of my close friends that is gay and that doesnt change my position on it. I dont make fun of him, but that doesnt make me think that it is right.

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but he's close right? well if he found the one person he wanted to be with forever and you saw him heartbroken because he couldn't get married, you'd still be like....too bad man, but no. If he got married, give me a reason how it would affect you at all, because you'd have another friend who would get divorced

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candaianskibum, you are telling us that it is morally wrong for gays to be married, in my head that makes no sense considering my morals tell me it is morally wrong to not allow them. they have a right to be married to their lover, i have that right, why shouldn't they. that is what i am getting at.

and you didn't answer my question: what if someone told you that you could not marry the woman you wanted to?

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Bichass..hence the problem..its 'your morals' that tell you one thing, which are gainst 'my morals'. Where do you get your moral code from? from MTV? from pop culture? from the media?

That is the whole problem, there are no moral standards anymore, people seem to be able to create their own moral codes to justify whatever they want.

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no i get my morals because i put myself in the other persons shoes, and i try to see how i would want to be treated in that situation.

explain what exactly is WRONG about it. other than it is against your morals.

it isn't against my morals because i see no harm being done.

and as you stated in a post back on the second page directed towards me. 'to tolerate goes both ways'. well buddy im not tolerating gay people, i accept them. acceptence is what you need to learn. to tolerate is to put up with, as mr. garison from south park said when they held a 'gay teacher toleration committee' for him.

you could learn a lot if you jsut open your eyes pal. quit ready a book and form your own personal opinions.

also if you could, i'd recommend putting yourself in their shoes. as i've asked you to answer time and time again: what if someone told you you couldn't marry the woman you loved?

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Your right lezbo, it wouldnt directly affect me one way or the other. That is why I would still disagree with it. I just believe something else than you. I think that acceptance goes both ways.

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Well then explain to me, where you get your moral code from? If you reject the traditional religious one, where does it come from?

If you want an answer....lets say the woman I truly loved was my cousin. (watch jerry springer..ouch....it happens) Am I being disciminated against because I cannot marry her??

Suppose I truly loved TWO women, am I being discriminated against because I cannot marry both?

I love my sister, why can't I marry her?

See where this is going? Where will it end? What moral code will we use to govern ourselves in the future if the traditional one is thrown out?

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very good point

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B wald...people also killed each other in the Bible, but that DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT to kill. Come on now, the Bible is a book of history, because it reports on people that had more than one wife DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT AND THE BIBLE CLEARLY STATES THAT. Read it for yourself before you claim to know what it says.

But I fail to see how this relates to the argument about morality..I'd call that a red herring my friend.

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Are you against gays in general or gay marrage in specific. Personally i have gay friends and co-workers and i have respect for them. However, i think that it is a genetic flaw or behavioral disorder that i do not agree with. Being a follower of christ myself, i learn that it is not owr place to judge. Judge yourself first, when your perfect then just others.

 
What moral code will we use to govern ourselves in the future if the traditional one is thrown out?

You still didn't answer my question...just because the car you drive is old and has problems doesnt mean you take it to the junkyard before you have a new, better one, one that you are sure will work, right??? So why trash traditional morality if there is not a proven replacement?

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candianskibum. do i don't see where this is going.

i'm not talking about two gay brothers getting married. i am tlaking about tow individuals getting married, that jsut so happen to be the same sex. quit putting this bizze shit in the context because it isn't even part of the debate here. you obviously can't jsutify why it is wrong, other tha it is against the moral of your religious book.

and where do i get my morals from? well i wasn't raised by religion, that's for sure. so, i constructed morals on my view of society and what i viewed as right and wrong, not what some person 2,000 years ago did.

i'm sorry man, but you really need to wise up, you don't have an uncle or an aunt or someone who is related to you that is gay. if yes, do they have a significant other?

talking with you is like talking to a 2,000 year old brick wall. the ceiment that holds your morals together are ancient and out dated. if everyone followed your views we would eventually crumble down into a pile of bricks. sorry man, you really need to step into the 21st century.

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the bible also says you can survive in a whale with enough faith. remember, every single word in the bible is absolute truth with noooooooo room for interpretation.. god himself wrote it, using a sharpie, back in like ot 1. he had sharpies cause god has everything whenever he wants it. so gods already driving a steezy flying car and laughing at next years movies.

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Well bwald i find it perferrable to call you my friend rather than an asshole, we simply have differing points of view and you don't need to take it personally.

But this is the point of my argument, and you STILL have not really answered my question: where do you propose that society get its morals from if not from religion?

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lol crystal..ever read moby dick? there have been documented cases in history where people have been found inside the stomach of a blue whale. But that is really irrelevant to this convo, its about morality.

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wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait... moby dick was REAL? wooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhh.

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once back when i was a fetus i was aborted. it didn't hurt at all, but i was also high on life at the time. - thisangelicrage

its not rape....its surprise sex. you wake up and SURPRISE you had sex with me haha - huckster989

16 to a real ugly fat girl but whatever beauty is but a lightswitch away - wiener
 
think of morals like economics... like the boring professor economics, not finance, not greedy accounting scams stuff.... think checks and balances, doing what is best for yourself with regard to those around you, cournot-nash equilibrium of life... mathematically proven. but yeah, the bible is not infallible.

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once back when i was a fetus i was aborted. it didn't hurt at all, but i was also high on life at the time. - thisangelicrage

its not rape....its surprise sex. you wake up and SURPRISE you had sex with me haha - huckster989

16 to a real ugly fat girl but whatever beauty is but a lightswitch away - wiener
 
Thats good, if everyone did that the world would be a better place. May I point out that I also am not a 'churchgoer', I am not a member of any orginized religion, I just belive that faith in God is essential.

The problem with your theory of morality is that it is dependent on what YOU think. Lets say you put yourself in the shoes of a rich guy who has 10 ferraris and say, 'well if I had 10 ferraris, i wouldnt care if soemone stole one.' So you jack it. But thats still stealing, and its still wrong. (poor example, but you get my drift.)

I think it is far better to have a UNIVERSAL moral code that ALL of society collectivly adheres to (admitedly, that is impossible), but in the Bible I find a solid moral code to base my life on.

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well i guess youre right, the world certainly would be a better place if we were all the same and we werent allowed to think... you fucking 1984 communist bastard.

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its not rape....its surprise sex. you wake up and SURPRISE you had sex with me haha - huckster989

16 to a real ugly fat girl but whatever beauty is but a lightswitch away - wiener
 
Communism is working together for a common goal with no differentating reward. The idea is good, but human nature is capitalistic.

 
just because you don't go to church doesn't mean you are nonreligious though. I read my bible all the time and I have faith in God. Good enough. Don't make the mistake of thinking you are the judge, because you aren't, God is. He hates the sin, not the sinner, and homosexuality is part of a big lump of sins in the bible. And if you think marriage is all about procreation, then maybe we should ban sterile marriages too. Because people who can't have kids like gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry either, even though they probably share as much love as a gay couple would

did that make any sense?
 
Whoa, I wasnt suggesting communism....just that society needs to agree on what is right and wrong instead of everyone developing his own personal version of right and wrong. Because what may seem right to a serial killer is likely very wrong to someone else.

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ive use the phrase before but it hasnt caught on so none of you seem to know what it means but: 'staring at the finger'

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its not rape....its surprise sex. you wake up and SURPRISE you had sex with me haha - huckster989

16 to a real ugly fat girl but whatever beauty is but a lightswitch away - wiener
 
Even if society had a universal moral code whatever the serial killer thought was right would still be wrong. No matter what the moral norm is.

The main impediment preventing society from developing a moral code is religon.

But, you can always fall back on your degree in... Communications! Oh, dear Lord!

I know! Is phony major. Lubchenko learn nothing. Nothing!

Our greatest glory consists not in never falling. But in rising every time we fall.

Breathe and Stop

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^Make that a, Universal moral code.

But, you can always fall back on your degree in... Communications! Oh, dear Lord!

I know! Is phony major. Lubchenko learn nothing. Nothing!

Our greatest glory consists not in never falling. But in rising every time we fall.

Breathe and Stop

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a: let me point out how sad this is... its friday night.

b: 'I think what went wrong with Christianity is exactly like what happens when you try to get your dog to look at something on TV. Jesus pointed to God, end everybody just stared at his finger.'

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*there are 105.5 million households in the USA.

*5.5 million of these consist of unmarried partnerships

*of these, 595,000 consist of same sex partners.

Just some info to whoever was curious

did that make any sense?
 
Fuck. I missed sooo much of this. Let me point out that the only person who has made accurate statements on morality has been Trevorwoulddoit, in the last couple of posts.

Canadianskibum, you did NOT give me a moral code. you told me you 'get your morals from the bible', but you don't BASE them on anything. Why are those morals right? Because God said so? Because they cause more people to be happy? Because they maintain the social status quo? WHY? Everything you've said about morality in the world, yours and other peoples', is absolute bunk unless you can produce a consistent moral code. So far, you have absolutely no ground to stand on WHATSOEVER in a moral debate. You can't win this argument without answering these questions... without an answer, all of your arguments are empty and baseless.

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For example: You said this, but it didn't seem like your basis. I could be wrong. ''a tried and true code of ethics that everyone, whether they like it or not WANTS everyone ELSE to live by.'' This is a golden rule type of theory. You're saying that we should act in a way such that accords with what we would want everyone else to do? Because that IS a moral theory. However, it's pretty questionable... what about masochists? I'm sure they wish everyone went around nailing people with cattle prods. It'd be fun for them. But I kinda doubt it would be moral for them to cattle prod people because of that...

So is that your allegation, or something else? I'm willing to argue that point further, if this IS what you're saying is your moral basis.

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Here I am

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Here I am

And I’ll wait in line

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Marriage derived from the bible is between to people man and a woman. Two men and or 2 woman are not and there for should have there own laws and crap they can call it gayrrige because god meant marriage to be just men and women. People apparently do not agree so they can have GAYrrige(should have nothing to do with god)unlike most marriages. case closed bring on the next stupid topic.

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^Yes, Mr. Hawking, because no one's ever used THAT argument before, and you clearly just endeed 150+ posts worth of argument with one moronic statement. You're a fucking genius. Can we have some kind of test for new members, to weed out a few of the idiots? Kami? Please? It's painful reading some of this crap.

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A stormy haze

I’ll be around

I’ll be loving you

Always

Always

Here I am

And I’ll take my time

Here I am

And I’ll wait in line

Always

Always...
 
when i get married i have a feeling the preist isn't going to say: 'by the power invested in me by god', i think they something along the lines of 'by the powder invested in me by the state of colorado'.

what im getting at is that marriage isn't for god in my book and many others, marriage is for yourself.

i'm so glad i wasn't brought up in a brain washed family, like all of these religous fanatics. making your own decisions is so much better than following someone elses.

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hahaha the only reason i post is for the hilarious burns and comments that come with it get over your self. besides i like to post on stupid topics like this. they can also cal it merriage vs 2.o for all i care but the christian side to merriage should have nothing to do with merriagevs 2.0. besides i am prety sure there are a few other religiouns besides christianity who isent all for a gay us of A.

hurray for GAYrrige haha

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vs means 'Versus'. V. is version. I assume that's what you meant. And hey, that excuse for making dumb posts sounds eerily famililiar...

Oh good. Because we NEEDED another D-loc.

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I’ll be loving you

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Always

Here I am

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Here I am

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Always

Always...
 
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