Edgeless on Resort

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According to the NS short review of the BDOG Edgless, skiing them on a mountain isn't terrible except on ice (the whole east coast) so will the BDOG Edgeless be a option for a 100% park ski? Were talking not even skiing a green trail just dedicated park will it work on mountain. I've read threads talking about a edgeless ski on a resort/mountain surface and it barely working but is it possible the Edgeless will?
 
topic:skiswerve said:
According to the NS short review of the BDOG Edgless, skiing them on a mountain isn't terrible except on ice (the whole east coast) so will the BDOG Edgeless be a option for a 100% park ski? Were talking not even skiing a green trail just dedicated park will it work on mountain. I've read threads talking about a edgeless ski on a resort/mountain surface and it barely working but is it possible the Edgeless will?
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Doubt it because there isn't really an advantage but there are tons of negatives. Rails on resorts are made with metals meant to be slid on. It's not like the streets where you are seeing rough stone features, wood, soft metals, etc.
 
14007994:Woos said:
Doubt it because there isn't really an advantage but there are tons of negatives. Rails on resorts are made with metals meant to be slid on. It's not like the streets where you are seeing rough stone features, wood, soft metals, etc.
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Pretty much this. The other issue is if you have to do an emergency hockey stop on a landing or run in if a kid snakes a jump etc. Even in Colorado the parks can get pretty hard and icy and I see not having edges as an all around bad idea.
 
Don't buy an edgeless ski for resorts honestly. I remember the burton dominnt I think. People tried to use that and it sucked balls.

If you're worried about catching a rail, just round your edges under foot.

Park rails slide fine even on slightly detuned edges. There's literally no benefit I can think of and not being able to turn is not good at all. If you barely ever ride a resort and are filming in the streets 5 days a week, maybe go for it. If you're riding resort parks mostly, sounds like a bad time, even if the snow is good.
 
yesir it works anywhere and it’s real playful, in the right conditions. obviously ice is it’s worst enemy but if you got basic skills you can get around fairly well. they are great for butters, presses, pops and consistency on rail of all kind. but if you tryna ski in a gs race you prally not winning
 
14008072:Sklar said:
Twig rode the edgless BDog and talked about it here:
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To elaborate on this a bit, I rode them on a pretty average day at Copper. For reference, the snow was good/grippy in most places but with some icy patches. At Copper there is a pretty lengthy lap to/from the park, especially if you are using the American Flyer lift which takes you past the test center so I ended up doing a decent amount of actual skiing on them and they really are fine on decent snow. You're not ripping angled out carving turns but you can navigate the mountain without any issue. In the park, the snow was good and I had no problem lining up for features or anything like that. They slide like a dream on even 'sticky' rails and I don't really see why you couldn't ski them in the park most days where I normally ride (Saas Fee, Switzerland). On the icy patches they were sketchy for sure but I heavily detune my edges with a belt sander on all my park skis anyway, so it wasn't THAT much worse. To me at least, yes you can ski them in the park and actually I think they will open up some new opportunities there that we haven't seen yet, but I probably wouldn't want them as my only ski.

Other points to note:

- The flex is insanely smooth without edges too.

- Scissoring on rails feels weird. You need to exaggerate it way more.

- Durability wise, I obviously can't comment yet but we have a pair for Roofbox Reviews so we'll hopefully get more of a read on that.

Incidentally, I'm not gonna be the guy skiing these for Roofbox, it's Mark Hendry (markymark) who is out on the east coast, so we should also get an answer of what they are like there.
 
14008470:Twig said:
To elaborate on this a bit, I rode them on a pretty average day at Copper. For reference, the snow was good/grippy in most places but with some icy patches. At Copper there is a pretty lengthy lap to/from the park, especially if you are using the American Flyer lift which takes you past the test center so I ended up doing a decent amount of actual skiing on them and they really are fine on decent snow. You're not ripping angled out carving turns but you can navigate the mountain without any issue. In the park, the snow was good and I had no problem lining up for features or anything like that. They slide like a dream on even 'sticky' rails and I don't really see why you couldn't ski them in the park most days where I normally ride (Saas Fee, Switzerland). On the icy patches they were sketchy for sure but I heavily detune my edges with a belt sander on all my park skis anyway, so it wasn't THAT much worse. To me at least, yes you can ski them in the park and actually I think they will open up some new opportunities there that we haven't seen yet, but I probably wouldn't want them as my only ski.

Other points to note:

- The flex is insanely smooth without edges too.

- Scissoring on rails feels weird. You need to exaggerate it way more.

- Durability wise, I obviously can't comment yet but we have a pair for Roofbox Reviews so we'll hopefully get more of a read on that.

Incidentally, I'm not gonna be the guy skiing these for Roofbox, it's Mark Hendry (markymark) who is out on the east coast, so we should also get an answer of what they are like there.
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This is the detailed opinion we needed! Have any companies tried edges except underfoot like a cross breed of edges and edgeless.
 
14008133:b-dog said:
yesir it works anywhere and it’s real playful, in the right conditions. obviously ice is it’s worst enemy but if you got basic skills you can get around fairly well. they are great for butters, presses, pops and consistency on rail of all kind. but if you tryna ski in a gs race you prally not winning
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Haha damn was gonna shred them in a race, so you think for a dominant park person they could get them to and from the park with no issues? I mean my home mountain is all ice ALL ICE, theres not much of a way around it.
 
14008489:skiswerve said:
Haha damn was gonna shred them in a race, so you think for a dominant park person they could get them to and from the park with no issues? I mean my home mountain is all ice ALL ICE, theres not much of a way around it.
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These skis at a commonly icy place sounds awful. I don’t see any good reason to get them if that’s the case...it’s not like they’re that cheap
 
14008490:SofaKingSick said:
These skis at a commonly icy place sounds awful. I don’t see any good reason to get them if that’s the case...it’s not like they’re that cheap
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My friend has Moment Vices that have 0 edge (fell off) and he can still ski but there two very different skis
 
14008494:skiswerve said:
My friend has Moment Vices that have 0 edge (fell off) and he can still ski but there two very different skis
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Oh you can for sure do it, I’ve used skis after their edges rip out. Im just saying that buying them with that edge status seems like a losing play if you ski an icy hill, the cons just outweigh the pros imo
 
14008511:SofaKingSick said:
Oh you can for sure do it, I’ve used skis after their edges rip out. Im just saying that buying them with that edge status seems like a losing play if you ski an icy hill, the cons just outweigh the pros imo
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I agree, at the same time tho it looks like a fucking amazing ski especially the flex, now how do we incorporate everything from the edgless into a regular ski? Any body else think the graphic was a let down also?
 
14008489:skiswerve said:
Haha damn was gonna shred them in a race, so you think for a dominant park person they could get them to and from the park with no issues? I mean my home mountain is all ice ALL ICE, theres not much of a way around it.
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Edgeless Chinese Downhill. MAKE IT HAPPEN
 
14008551:SuspiciousFish said:
Edgeless Chinese Downhill. MAKE IT HAPPEN
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Those plastic skis would be perfect vessels for this voyage of most certain death.

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I probably won't buy a pair of them, but I would love, love, love to see how these butter. I'd guess they have a reeeaalllly smooth flex and that they will be super fun on slushy spring days. Also, has no one else ever jibbed a tree, rock or rusty snow making pipe on the mountain? They'd be great for that type of stuff.

The b-dogs aren't the first edgeless ski either. Smart skis out of Vermont has been making wooden edgeless skis for a while, although many hardwoods if you put an edge on them would hold a formidable edge even on hard groomers compared with plastic.
 
Anything is doable, it just might not be as enjoyable on some days or areas. Any sort of steel edges weren't invented until 1926 so....
 
14009062:CatdickBojangles said:
Is there some sort of faux edge? Like ptex edges or wooden edges or does the base just meet the sidewall?
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literally just edge a small sidewall and topsheet literally a ski without a edge
 
14009068:skiswerve said:
literally just edge a small sidewall and topsheet literally a ski without a edge
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Got it. Wasn’t sure how they were going to do it. I’ll be interested to see how durable it is without edges too. I wish 9th ward could have dropped the replaceable underfoot edgeless ski before they died.
 
14009069:CatdickBojangles said:
Got it. Wasn’t sure how they were going to do it. I’ll be interested to see how durable it is without edges too. I wish 9th ward could have dropped the replaceable underfoot edgeless ski before they died.
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I mean idk about durability but they'll hit rails fine and prolly never will go bad i guess the "sides" will just shave down
 
14009071:skiswerve said:
I mean idk about durability but they'll hit rails fine and prolly never will go bad i guess the "sides" will just shave down
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You don’t think big impacts on the underfoot without an edge there won’t just blow the sidewall out?
 
14008470:Twig said:
To elaborate on this a bit, I rode them on a pretty average day at Copper. For reference, the snow was good/grippy in most places but with some icy patches. At Copper there is a pretty lengthy lap to/from the park, especially if you are using the American Flyer lift which takes you past the test center so I ended up doing a decent amount of actual skiing on them and they really are fine on decent snow. You're not ripping angled out carving turns but you can navigate the mountain without any issue. In the park, the snow was good and I had no problem lining up for features or anything like that. They slide like a dream on even 'sticky' rails and I don't really see why you couldn't ski them in the park most days where I normally ride (Saas Fee, Switzerland). On the icy patches they were sketchy for sure but I heavily detune my edges with a belt sander on all my park skis anyway, so it wasn't THAT much worse. To me at least, yes you can ski them in the park and actually I think they will open up some new opportunities there that we haven't seen yet, but I probably wouldn't want them as my only ski.

Other points to note:

- The flex is insanely smooth without edges too.

- Scissoring on rails feels weird. You need to exaggerate it way more.

- Durability wise, I obviously can't comment yet but we have a pair for Roofbox Reviews so we'll hopefully get more of a read on that.

Incidentally, I'm not gonna be the guy skiing these for Roofbox, it's Mark Hendry (markymark) who is out on the east coast, so we should also get an answer of what they are like there.
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I'm on that pair right now, and I'm about to take them out to Maine to hit some spots. They really do ski totally fine. Ski shapes have come a long way, and Armada knows what they are doing.

The flex is definitely smooth. First thing I did at the top was a proper tail manny. I also jumped on a pair of vishnus today and got to experience them side by side. they are really close in terms of tail manny potential.

I have 3 days on hill and 1 spot so far. They already have some damage, but it was almost all from the spot. They could 100% be a daily driver park ski if you ski out west imo. I'm at bush, so theres ice, but they are rideable once you adjust your weight/stance for the lack of edges.

14008520:skiswerve said:
I agree, at the same time tho it looks like a fucking amazing ski especially the flex, now how do we incorporate everything from the edgless into a regular ski? Any body else think the graphic was a let down also?
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Well, you could. I think it would be a great ski, but I have a very specific preference for skis. I might like different aspects than other people, like the very tight turning radius. I love that shit. Some people love fat carves tho. I bet alot of people would like it tho.

Regardless,

the graphics are sexy.
 
Ok I'm confused because some people said that they are fine for getting to and from the park but other people said that they are difficult to ski at all on groomers. I live in the Midwest so it's not that icy, generally soft man-made snow on groomers. Would these work as a dedicated park ski?
 
14118621:surfaceoutsiders said:
Ok I'm confused because some people said that they are fine for getting to and from the park but other people said that they are difficult to ski at all on groomers. I live in the Midwest so it's not that icy, generally soft man-made snow on groomers. Would these work as a dedicated park ski?
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I skied them at Trollhaugen for a whole day and they were perfectly fine. Really fun skis
 
14118695:yeah_boi said:
I skied them at Trollhaugen for a whole day and they were perfectly fine. Really fun skis
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Bet. Someone told me that skiing this ski on groomers was more dangerous than fun but tbh I don't care if I'm scrubbing all the way to the lift as long as I can control my trajectory and speed.
 
14118621:surfaceoutsiders said:
Ok I'm confused because some people said that they are fine for getting to and from the park but other people said that they are difficult to ski at all on groomers. I live in the Midwest so it's not that icy, generally soft man-made snow on groomers. Would these work as a dedicated park ski?
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ive not skied the bdog edgeless but i've skied hundreds of park skis in every state between brand new and entirely edgeless from abuse. i bet the ski is fine when the snow is soft and gives you something to work with. on ice or close i'm sure they are horrid. personally i wouldn't get them except as part of a quiver that covers everything. if it was to be your only park ski i'd say fuck no

just my 2 cents
 
14118744:surfaceoutsiders said:
Bet. Someone told me that skiing this ski on groomers was more dangerous than fun but tbh I don't care if I'm scrubbing all the way to the lift as long as I can control my trajectory and speed.
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It's not really any worse than any other park ski with detuned edges
 
Sounds like a total bonehead idea to me.

like alot of the shit that gets pedaled on shark tank. They try to sell their idea to the sharks expecting them to be like “eureka!” but in reality the sharks are like “stop smoking crack you jackass shitclown”.

you need edges.
 
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