Dynastar problem...

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...has anyone out there had any problem with their Concepts delaminating or the edges blowing out? I wrecked my brand new ones the first day I used them on rails this year...they wouldn't replace them, told me they aren't meant for rails etc...so, if anyone has a similar situation to share, I'd really appreciate it: I'm writing to the president of the company and I need some fuel, some people to back me up.

Cheers.

L.J.

 
its not uncommon, especially when u hit a lot of rails.

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yep ive heard that happening to tons of people, me some other kids i know and lots of people over the internet, dynastars are really abd for that

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my friends concept busted right the fuck up real good,it snapped right in half,and all he did was slide a rail and fell off the side and it broke just like that

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my friend's concepts are fucked so bad, he wont even ride them anymore they're so bad.

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no, trouble makers will be good, Concepts have basically been the same ski since they debuted years ago, if u count the torsion mess or wutever they added to the pro model.

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haha, troublemakes.... intersting story actually, my friend got new trouble makers yesterday in mammoth and snapped them trying a misty seven after owning them for only 4 hours. then dynastar said they had to be shipped to their factory to make sure it wasnt 'skier error'. People at the shop we bought them at gave us this whole speech how they werent designed for the park. correct me if i am not mistaken, but i believe mikael threw a switch cork 10 in the freeskiing open to win with trouble makers.

 
BK that cant in anyway be true.

1) tho he may have snapped them in 4 hours, i would love to really now how? we have 200 lb guys like reedy beating the shit out of those sticks and they sure arent breaking, so 4 hours throwing tricks in the parks sounds a little interesting.

2) not meant for the park. ok. you get that one in writing and then we will see. there is no way they said those skis arent meant for the park.

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thats exactly what happened to me. my edges blew out and they wouldnt replace them and the people where lik'its not meant for rails.' and im like you guys have people with these skis on posters grindin so it should be meant for it

 
I haven't had any problems with my concepts and I've used them 50+ times this year. Obviously if you dont know how to slide rails well, you can really fuck your skis up. Slamming them into metal is not good for them, especially if you dont do it smoothly. I think concepts are fucking sick! They are not all huge and fat like the scratches, nor are they soft so it's easy to land everything. Nice tight design that is sturdy and so light!! I wonder if they are coming with a new design for next year.

 
my k2s are still holding strong

'Now, I'm lubing up the little toy car so, I can put it in my bum' - Ryan Dunn
 
when they say they're not ment for rails they mean their warranty doesn't cover railsliding, which isn't stupid because slamming skis onto a rail with 150-200 lbs. of pressure will break/rip out the edges of any ski.

-Mike

Dude I was fine before you tried to turn me into a cake - me after ralphing after being antiqued
 
^ Then don't sell skis using images of riders sliding rails. You can't do that and then exclude rail damage from your warranty. At least not without looking like you don't care about the kids buying your produc.t

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this years 178 dynastars are the sickest looking skis out. there are obese like all of the other skis.

 
ive had mine for half a season and the edge is gonna fall out any day meow. hopefully they will replace them, cause i am beyond poor. well see...

 
yea ummm no.

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I've had my concepst for two whole seasons now. They did start to delam at the tip and tails where the edges and base meets the metal tip. I just epoxied together the one that was separating and put epoxy on the rest where I could see water was seeping in. Thats been holding fine. I did crack one of my edges too, it was my fault, caught the edge on the end of a rail. That hasn't gotten any worse though, its just cracked and pushed in a bit.

 
i had my concepts for 2 years, finally foundout that i have a chunk takin out of the bottom of 1 of them.......i called dynastar and they said that the warrenty doesnt cover it...i was pissed

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that happens with all skis, and you can just ptax that shit

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I flunked out of school cause i'm hardcore.

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mym candide blew a rail and i repared it but i am going to try to send them back at the end of the season.

Skis are made of wood basically and there is no 2 pieces identical and some arent as strong and even then wood breaks. Its not that a ski sucks. Now if people are breaking them like the old lines evry 10 min. then there is something to worry about.

TM,s have thicker racing edges than previous versions.

 
I KNOW how to do rails. So, it's not like I was trying rails for the first time or anything. I have this old pair of Fischers that I've been using for rails and I haven't had a single problem with them...and yes, they told me they aren't meant for rails. They don't cover anything that's 'Pilot Error'...in which case they wouldn't cover anything...unless your skis just suddenly blew up while skiing along...:^)

So, I guess I'm mad because this is the first pair of skis I've ever broken in the whole time I've been skiing (since I was little) and I take good care of my skis and I'm an advanced skier and ski instructor...Losing your skis is like losing your right arm...I spent alot of money on these skis and I was depending on them to get me through another 3 years at least.

So, I will never EVER by another pair of Dynastars. Because I was seriously ripped off and let down.

So, on that cheery note :^).....sorry to rant!

-LJ

 
dude dynastars are the shit. I love mine and all years are the same and they have never been obese. Mine are holding up good this year and my old original ones with the red stripe are sorta going strong still except for the edge cracked in like 5 spots and coming out. Good thing i sold them to my friend for $40

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hey 'jib_this' have you ever seen a commercial for a car flying down a bumpy road in the forest, doing slides and catching air? or how about speeding down a street, or dragracing another car, or doing a burnout. most of which can cause damage to your car, which will probably not be covered by your insurance if you do it. some products don't come with a warranty at all, so why would a warranty apply to something that is known to ruin your skis? It's like insurance for a demolition derby, the business will go down the toilet quickly.

-Mike

Dude I was fine before you tried to turn me into a cake - me after ralphing after being antiqued
 
and if you're that pissed and want to put all of this effort into seeking justice you can buy 170cm of new edges for 2 bucks and some epoxy (5 bucks) to put some new edge where the old one broke. Then maybe your edge will break again near the end of the season a little while later, oh well, you can fix it again with the materials you've got.

-Mike

Dude I was fine before you tried to turn me into a cake - me after ralphing after being antiqued
 
they are twintips and they are hucked and chucked and beat to shit. The impacts and abuse they take from normal use in 3 days is equivelent to a carving skis abuse in a whole year.

They are going to break and fall apart even using them for what they are made to do and sometimes you get lucky and one pair lasts 2 seasons.

 
Have I seen any commercials featuring people driving cars in ways that are retarded? Yeah, I have. Too many, in fact. But for every one of those car commercials I see, I see 12 in which the number 1 message is either safety, comfort, or practicality.

Look at ANY ad featuring a twin tip ski, and you'll have one of the following scenarios: Someone boosting HUGE airs out of a half/quarterpipe, somekind of invert or spin off a giant booter, or a rail slide. You don't ever see a twintip ad in which Tanner Hall is 'just skiing along', or in which the underlying message is 'this ski will get you from the top of the hill to the bottom safely and efficiently, without breaking the bank', do you? No you don't.

Next, look at what a car featured in a 'sliding around corners and catching air rally style' commercial is actually sold for: Basic transportation. How many people do you know actually drive their cars in the same fashion as the 'professional driver on a closed course' in ads? NONE. And if you happen to know someone who races rallies, they have a specially designed and built car for the specific purpose of rally racing. The typical aggressive driving ad is made to catch your attention and make you feel like the car you're buying can compensate for whatever part of your anatomy you feel is lacking in size.

Now let's compare to how twintip skis are sold, and how people use them. The underlying message in twintip ski ads is 'buy the troublemaker and you'll be closer to skiing like Jon Reedy/3phils/Deschenaux/Marie Martinod'. The images, and more importantly the movies, emphasize this REPEATEDLY(after all, skiers are sponsored because they are unequalled marketing 'tools'not the insulting version of the word). Twintip skis ARE PRODUCED AND SOLD FOR TERRAIN PARK RIDING. They are (supposed to be...) the equivalent to that specially built rally car. Anyone who tells you otherwise is WRONG. If it weren't for terrain park riding, the modern twintip wouldn't exist(Yeah I know Olin had a twin in the 70s. How long did that last?? Exactly..). Normal terrain park riding includes manoevres known as 'slides' on specially designed rails and boxes. If a ski which is sold for the express purpose of terrain park skiing breaks while being used for that purpose, and the manufacturer is at fault, through either workmanship, materials(such as edges),or just bad design, and the ski is within its normal warranty period, then it should be replaced at no charge. Simple. If ski manufacturers are having issues with edge damage due to railsliding, then maybe it's time they get some engineers, designers, and riders together to find a solution. Certain companies have started using thicker edges (Armada, for one), and I'm sure there's more that can be done. I can see where you're coming from, but I'm afraid you oversimplified the issue.

Of course, you are right, I could go out, pay money for a new edge, fix the sometimes serious base damage railsliding will undoubedtly cause(and shell out more money, possibly up to $100 if I can't fix it myself), then install the new edge, but unless it's 100% my fault, I'd rather just get new skis. Call me lazy if you like, but if a company sells a ski for the purpose of terrain park riding (which INCLUDES rail slides, and companies know that), and their workmanship, design, or materials just aren't up to the high level that a terrain park ski needs, then I'd rather have them fix their mistakes and give me new skis. Any company that can't understand that not-so-simple reality might be better off not selling skis that are specially designed for terrain park skiing.

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I cracked the edge on my 2 yr old candides and sent them in. and they replaced them for me. muhahaha. its all about the letter.

well to keep it real I started being a Poser Poser. I dress and act like a poser, but i'm not really a poser. I just pose to look like a poser posing. you know just keepin it underground

-youthinasia
 
exactly,you cant be a dick about it,when i sent a pair back to head cuz they snapped and 2 pairs of bindings,the letters i wrote were all nice and polite,and they gladly replaced

'Now, I'm lubing up the little toy car so, I can put it in my bum' - Ryan Dunn
 
Wow, Jib_This...maybe I should just send that last post of yours to Dynastar :^)!!

I just talked to someone @ Skiershop and she said that Dynastar would give me a special deal of $150 for a pair of the same...so, I guess I should do that. The damage is pretty bad...not something I can repair on my own...on one ski a chunk of the edge is missing like an inch or so and the edge of the base is torn and peeling back...on the other the edge is broken and jammed in and the base is warped. I've never seen anything like it. I couldn't believe it...wimpy as a matchstick in a gravel crusher.

Before I buy the replacements I'm going to try to write another letter to the company...I sent a super nice letter with the skis when I sent them back but....yeah..

Oh well. :^)

 
you guys are gonna make companies want to stop making twin tips. as long as you have metal edges you will have edges breaking on rails. the solution? make skis without edges, then if you ever in your infinite wisdom decide to leave the park, you will be screwed.

bottom line, if you slide rails on your skis, your edges will crack and eventually fall out, and theres nothing a ski company can do about it except make a ski that's totally useless outside the park.

so in conclusion, quit yer bitchin

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or play
 
im getting the trouble makers..... im happy

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a kid i ski with blew a edge out at the tip sent em back and they replaced them. Ive sent my candides back twice caause huge chunks of topsheet were falling out so the first tiem they jsut fixed em and the second time the repalced them.

 
well first I'll start off by saying the whole first part of your message was a giant contradiction. the fact is that 'a car featured in a sliding around corners and catching air rally style commercial' may be sold for basic transportation, yet it is still advertised as catching air, that base model car doing a long powerslide in dirt giving me the impression as a consumer that this car is better and can perform exactly as the car in the ad. it seems oddly similar of a company that is 'selling skis using images of riders sliding rails' while the skis aren't holding up 100% to rails. that car ad makes me think that car is better? does it not? but do they advertise that if you do those same stunts your car will hold up? NO. do the ski makers advertise that ski will hold up to rails? NO. They show people sliding rails but they NEVER say that the skis won't break on rails. The skis may be built like a specially designed rally car (to handle rough use) but if I buy a decked out WRX and take air off a bump, fucking the car up, do you think the insurance will cover it? NOPE once again.

now that being said you CANNOT build a ski that will 100% survive rails. for that to happen the ski must be alot stronger than the rail, no matter what edge construction, what materials, resins, carbon fibre inserts and etc. are added to the ski it WILL break over time. you can't change that fact. so there is really nothing to argue, edges will break on rails and you can't warranty an action that you never claimed your product could do.

support the industry man, as far as I see it when people barter and try to get things return that they could easily fix themselves and things that are also not under warranty it's worse than those that don't support the undustry, it's sucking money out of the industy.

-Mike

Dude I was fine before you tried to turn me into a cake - me after ralphing after being antiqued
 
word

*bitch slaps everyone but mike*

But I ain't one ta gossip, so you ain't heard that from me.

chronic comes from a tree

it was put there for you to see

and was meant to be smoked by you

or me

if i had my little way

id smoke chronic everday

gettin high before i work

or play
 
well first I'll start off by saying the whole first part of your message was a giant contradiction. the fact is that 'a car featured in a sliding around corners and catching air rally style commercial' may be sold for basic transportation, yet it is still advertised as catching air. That base model car doing a long powerslide in the dirt is giving me the impression as a consumer that this car is better than others and can perform exactly as the car in the ad. It seems oddly similar to a company that is 'selling skis using images of riders sliding rails' while the skis aren't holding up to rails 100%. That car ad makes me think that car is better, does it not? but do they advertise that if you do those same stunts your car will hold up? NO. Do the ski makers advertise that ski will hold up to rails? NO. They show people sliding rails but they NEVER say that the skis won't break on rails. The skis may be built like a specially designed rally car (to handle rough use) but if I buy a decked out WRX and take air off a bump, fucking the car up, do you think I can go to Subaru and they'll replace it under warranty? NOPE once again.

Now that being said you CANNOT build a ski that will 100% survive rails. For that to happen the ski must be alot stronger than the rail, no matter what edge construction, what materials, resins, carbon fibre inserts and etc. are added to the ski it WILL break over time. you can't change that fact. so there is really nothing to argue, edges will break on rails and you can't warranty an action that you never claimed your product could do.

Support the industry man, as far as I see it when people barter and try to get things return that they could easily fix themselves and things that are also not under warranty it's worse than those that don't support the undustry, it's sucking money out of the industy.

-Mike

Dude I was fine before you tried to turn me into a cake - me after ralphing after being antiqued
 
woops. pressed the stop button and went back to edit it right after I clicked post. ah well.

-Mike

Dude I was fine before you tried to turn me into a cake - me after ralphing after being antiqued
 
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