Duke PT 16 — Heel-piece weight & Toe-piece Weight

[Cwatt0]

Hey,

I own Jesters right now and I’m wondering if anyone @ a shop can weigh the heel-piece and toe-piece separately. I’m really curious how the weight is distributed throughout the system (lots of people are commenting the heel-piece is more or less the same as the Jester, albeit with a fancy brake).

thanks,

- C

**This thread was edited on Dec 22nd 2020 at 10:57:26am

 

[cobra_commander]

The toe piece is a fucking brick.

 

[armchair_skier]

I regret to inform you the binding is made entirely from depleted uranium. The heel piece on my Duke PT 16 Din skier (skiing) binding weighs 12.346kg and the toe weighs 11.356kg.

 

[JAlps]

I can't give you exact weights at the moment but for reference the Duke PT 16 without the toe piece on (in tech mode) weighs about 100g more than the shift if I'm not mistaken.

 

[anders_a]

I suspect the numbers are a tad high as my weight seems to be a bit out of whack but it gives you an idea as everything is weighed on same weight.

All bindings are 2021's. Googleing to get accurate gram weights lands you so many shade sites...

The interesting/"fun" part is that you can probaly get away with binding freedom inserts or similar for jester/duke crossover, at same BSL the heel track is 100% the same holes at same BSL but toe holes are slightly more forward.

More interesting things, the TOE of the duke pt is the same pattern as the kingpin, and again alpinist, so you can probably get away with some cangeups with very few extra holes here.

duke pt 16 toe complete 597 gram

dule pt 16 toe lower 275 gram

duke pt 16 toe upper 323 gram

duke pt 16 heel 701 gram

jester 16 heel 640 gram

jester 16 toe 381 gram

jester 18 pro heel 640 gram

griffon 13 heel 593 gram

jester/griffin heel track 81 gram

duke pt 16 heel track 98 gram

just for kicks

pivot heel 778 gram

pivot metal toe 480 gram

pivot plastic toe 341 gram

 

[cobra_commander]

Honestly, for most folks the Duke PT12 is plenty of binding

 

[anders_a]

Honestly, for most folks the Duke PT12 is plenty of binding

correct, BUT the PT16 is a jester, the PT12 is a squires heel, but updated composite etc.but you can save 200 something grams touring with the 12.

You know the jester is going to be solid, you can ski park with the duke pt 16!

If you have 2 sets, you can interchange heel depending on what you want

 

[Twig]

duke pt 16 toe complete 597 gram

dule pt 16 toe lower 275 gram

duke pt 16 toe upper 323 gram

duke pt 16 heel 701 gram

duke pt 16 heel track 98 gram

This is very close to my measurements too:

I make the complete toe 594g and the complete heel 814g. Those measures include all screws and brakes.

 

[Cwatt0]

This is truly impressive. Thank you [tag=271284]@anders_a[/tag] and all who commented.

Honestly, I’m having a really difficult time choosing between the PT16 and the Shift. I used to run Griffons and a Baron but upgraded to the Jester because they are almost the same weight but offer better construction and I wanted a little DIN overhead (I run my DIN @11). However, if Cody Townsend is running 13-DIN bindings (i.e., the Shift 13s), than maybe I don’t need a 16 Din binding and could save ~500g.

I suspect the numbers are a tad high as my weight seems to be a bit out of whack but it gives you an idea as everything is weighed on same weight.

All bindings are 2021's. Googleing to get accurate gram weights lands you so many shade sites...

The interesting/"fun" part is that you can probaly get away with binding freedom inserts or similar for jester/duke crossover, at same BSL the heel track is 100% the same holes at same BSL but toe holes are slightly more forward.

More interesting things, the TOE of the duke pt is the same pattern as the kingpin, and again alpinist, so you can probably get away with some cangeups with very few extra holes here.

duke pt 16 toe complete 597 gram

dule pt 16 toe lower 275 gram

duke pt 16 toe upper 323 gram

duke pt 16 heel 701 gram

jester 16 heel 640 gram

jester 16 toe 381 gram

jester 18 pro heel 640 gram

griffon 13 heel 593 gram

jester/griffin heel track 81 gram

duke pt 16 heel track 98 gram

just for kicks

pivot heel 778 gram

pivot metal toe 480 gram

pivot plastic toe 341 gram

 

[anders_a]

11 is pretty darn high

 

[cobra_commander]

wouldn't it make more sense to compare the DukePT 12 to the shift then the 16?

compare the DukePT 16 to Cast, perfect for idiots who have never actually toured much in their life and think they need the world's burliest binding...

meanwhile someone just smoked your line using a 300g pair of pin bindings. and they did it twice while you were still fucking around with your toe piece.

 

[Cwatt0]

11 is pretty darn high

My recommended DIN is 9.5 and I prefer not to be ejected unless it’s a significant crash, so I run it a little higher. I clipped a rail last season and my ski popped-off without me noticing, so I figure I have it at an appropriate DIN.

wouldn't it make more sense to compare the DukePT 12 to the shift then the 16?

compare the DukePT 16 to Cast, perfect for idiots who have never actually toured much in their life and think they need the world's burliest binding...

meanwhile someone just smoked your line using a 300g pair of pin bindings. and they did it twice while you were still fucking around with your toe piece.

You do raise some good questions but it’s worth noting you could have done so without being a dickhead. Consider for a minute myself and other people who might be reading this thread haven’t toured much. That doesn’t make us idiots and it’s why we are trying to learn. So maybe instead of putting people down for their lack of experience, you could try to build them up.

Duke PT 12 vs Shift — yes, this seems like a fair comparison (12 DIN vs 13 DIN) however the PT 16 and Shift 13 are the most robust offerings by each company. Just because Salomon doesn’t produce something closer to 16 DIN doesn’t mean Marker needs to be pigeonholed because of it.

Duke PT 16 vs Cast — again, seems like a fair comparison considering the Marker is somewhat of a middle ground between the Shift and the Cast. Personally, I’m not sure how often I would remove the toe piece on the Marker for climbing so I’m not keen on the idea of swapping toe pieces.

If I set-out to find the lightest (300g) bindings, I wouldn’t have made this thread. I’m sure anyone comparing these bindings aren’t making weight their priority and if that’s your focus there are plenty of other threads for you to be condescending on. Personally, I’m lIke the idea of using the ski at the resort if I’m travelling and it’s a pow day, however I haven’t purchased anything yet because I’m still learning.

**This post was edited on Dec 23rd 2020 at 8:51:21am

**This post was edited on Dec 23rd 2020 at 9:54:06am

 

[anders_a]

I have the duke pt16's on the revolt 121 now, just finished drilling & glueing in binding freedom stuff, I plan to use them for touring from the lift to have other decents its not a light setup. I also wouldnt have any issues doing laps through the park on them

I have shifts on Bent Chetler 120, and had another on Bent chetler 100 (which I sold recently) at 6'3 and 230lbs I just have trust issues, and I've been ejected before I figured I would need more forward pressure, and +1 din inthe rear on the shifts + keep the AFD adjusted. Doing nose butters or just nose blocks on the shift is a safe way of testing it seems.

duke pt 16 is power, its a jester 16 basicly, shift is like a lightweight squire something, its superlight and finnicky, I wouldnt run the shift doing laps in the park and going 60mph. but I would do it on the pt 16.

So the duke pt 16 is a premade version of CAST competitor more than anything, but with the 12 it is lighter than the shift for the up part.

you can actually use a griffon heel to save some grams, but not as much as the squire heel.

some people really do ride hard on a 300 gram tech binding, but they are rarely big guys