My bro fairly recently turned 16, he started smoking weed about a year ago now (not legal in NZ yet) which was fine, but more recently its been nearly a daily basis, he yarns on all the time about his mates doing MDMA at parties, pretty sure he's into the same stuff and the other night found codeine in his room he's "using to help sleep" - should I beat the shit out of him? on a more serious note - should I genuinely be concerned? I never really went through the same shit
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270on420out
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Nah dude little drug usage builds character no cap
Hard to tell. A lot of people casually party at that age and slightly older and can hold their shit together and are fine. Some people can't. Also in terms of response, maybe you could get him to stop, maybe it drives him to rebel harder. A lot of people are mostly talk though, wanting to be cool.
Idk I've known people that started smoking weed young, got into other shit, and were pretty worthless. But then plenty of successful people that dabbled. Good luck regardless.
Idk I've known people that started smoking weed young, got into other shit, and were pretty worthless. But then plenty of successful people that dabbled. Good luck regardless.
.FRY.
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It's fine to experiment a little, but mdma and "lean" are stupid drugs that I've seen change people for the worse. I had a friend my senior year of hs who started doing a lot of molly and lean. He definitely lost some brain cells. I notice the difference when talking to him.
As for myself, I became way too comfortable with shrooms, acid, and psychedelic research chemicals. I had a really fucked up experience last summer with psyches, and the effects have lasted everyday since. I think things will be fine eventually, but I definitely could have skipped the experience completely. Has made me realize how valuable sanity and mundane life really are. The rabbit hole goes deep.
If I were you I would try to keep an eye on what he's doing, which it seems like you're already doing. But if he starts to venture into dangerous territory(painkillers, dxm, stimulants, research chemicals) there's no shame in getting your parents involved imo. Sounds lame, but drugs do fuck people's lives up.
As for myself, I became way too comfortable with shrooms, acid, and psychedelic research chemicals. I had a really fucked up experience last summer with psyches, and the effects have lasted everyday since. I think things will be fine eventually, but I definitely could have skipped the experience completely. Has made me realize how valuable sanity and mundane life really are. The rabbit hole goes deep.
If I were you I would try to keep an eye on what he's doing, which it seems like you're already doing. But if he starts to venture into dangerous territory(painkillers, dxm, stimulants, research chemicals) there's no shame in getting your parents involved imo. Sounds lame, but drugs do fuck people's lives up.
270on420out
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14131136:Samp20 said:
Let him know there’s a time and a place for everything. And that place is college
[tag=205509]@.FRY.[/tag] Good to hear some experience with it thanks dude, the scary thing is parents already know, they were the ones who found the codeine and they cut his pocket money, have stopped him from using their cars, and are refusing to help him buy a car until he sorts his shit out, and he’s kinda just outright refusing to stop regardless, like if that ain’t gonna stop him what is lol
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SnowshoeThompson
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Drugs r cool....in moderation.
i wouldn’t flex on him unless he starts abusing the opiates or turns into a tweaker.
Some times it’s better to get all the partying and drugs out of the way early rather than later in life when you actually need to have your shit together.
opiates are by far the worst. if you see him snorting percs and oxy then flush that shit. That shit changes people.
i wouldn’t flex on him unless he starts abusing the opiates or turns into a tweaker.
Some times it’s better to get all the partying and drugs out of the way early rather than later in life when you actually need to have your shit together.
opiates are by far the worst. if you see him snorting percs and oxy then flush that shit. That shit changes people.
.FRY.
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14131148:Samp20 said:
I wish I could give you an answer for that, I know that's why you made this thread. I think the only thing that will stop him will be a scary experience or certain circumstances. Idk how close you are with him, but if you're someone he respects then I think doing what you can to convince him that ecstasy and painkillers are retarded would be a step in the right direction. Maybe send him some youtube drug stories or something.
14131156:.FRY. said:
Hahaha on the scary experience thing dads a GP we were saying that finding his stash and throwing some heavy laxatives in the mix might do the trick. We’re not that close at the moment but I probably will just talk to him, don’t want him becoming a vegetable ay
Titus69
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Weeds not too bad and common at his age, just try to get him to moderate it and not become super lazy, being high all day is nice sometimes but working all day then getting to reward yourself with smoking is better. If he’s thinking about the other shit I’d probably smack him into shape, shrooms are probably fine but acid and furthur on probably isn’t good for his brain right now. And I suggest dumping his codeine out if he has it or cut it 100% with something else, I don’t know how anyone can put that in their mouth, even with bronchitis I didn’t bother taking it, my friend also wanted it from me and I just dumped the bottle out in front of him and told him to not be a fucking idiot.
little1337
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theres a time and a place for everything, and it's college
OregonDead
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I would 100 percent replace his codeine with some Koolaid or some other juice or something. He is probably so dumb he will not know the difference but you should probably add something to make it taste more bitter and weird like some grass from the lawn
SnowshoeThompson
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The real question is how does a 16 year old have a lean plug. I will buy the bottle if you can ship to the states
14131204:SnowshoeThompson said:
Lol I broke my collarbone back in 2017 and had about half a prescription bottle of codeine I never used. Then broke my wrist more recently and didn't use any at all, parents found the 2016 bottle in his room empty and the other bottle with not much left as well. Not sure what he was gonna do once it ran out but it's been dumped now anyway.
SnowshoeThompson
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14131236:Samp20 said:
Daww that stuff goes for up to a couple grand a bottle here. I know some SoundCloud rapper nerds that would be all over it
Titus69
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14131236:Samp20 said:
Damn dude, I remember a few years back someone here’s sister was also becoming troublesome with weed and other shit. You really gotta get his head right without him trying to rebel, so many friends had strict parents and tried to smoke daily and just got caught and caught cause they’re being sneaky and dumb. Try to at least get him on the weed only idk, he won’t overdose on it but might slow his head down.
14131253:Titus69 said:
It’s a rock and a hard place ay, want to convince him to fix his shit but don’t wanna push him further into it due to him fighting back. Probably gonna try talk to him anyway otherwise if I don’t and shit hits the fan I’ll always think I could’ve at least tried to do something
xxACIDTRIPxx
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Nz has a terrible drug culture. I say just teach him harm reduction - like not taking multiple 200mg doses of mdma 5x in one night etc
dolanslebensraum
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Best thing you can do is talk to him and let him know not to combine drugs and for him to tell you whatever he is taking and you wont come down on him but you just want to know what he is taking. I would tell him to do his homework (read about the risks involved with taking these drugs) and make sure he isnt just taking some pill or drug without knowing what it is.
I think pure molly is one of the safer drugs you can take and there isnt as much addiction potential with it.
codeine is i think over the counter in nz so if he doesnt graduate on to more powerful opiates and sticks to just otc codeine that would probably be ok, but you def need to make sure he knows how incredibly addictive opiates are.
the reason i say its ok if he sticks to codeine is because its pretty hard to od on codeine and if he is craving it he can just go to the convenience store and buy a box of codeine for a few bucks and feel better. You dont want him to graduate to stronger opiates though, because then he will eventually be selling all his shit or stealing his friends shit so he can buy expensive opiates like smack or fentanyl.
The best thing you can do is make sure he is well educated and well informed about the baggage that comes along with these drugs.
16 year olds are pretty smart, and as long as he isnt doing drugs to be self destructive, education will go a long way.
also if you can swing it i think it would be good to get him to see a therapist.
and dont beat the shit out of him. Conditional love is worthless. A good thing to do would be to tell him how much you love him and that if he died from an overdose it would destroy your entire life.
I think pure molly is one of the safer drugs you can take and there isnt as much addiction potential with it.
codeine is i think over the counter in nz so if he doesnt graduate on to more powerful opiates and sticks to just otc codeine that would probably be ok, but you def need to make sure he knows how incredibly addictive opiates are.
the reason i say its ok if he sticks to codeine is because its pretty hard to od on codeine and if he is craving it he can just go to the convenience store and buy a box of codeine for a few bucks and feel better. You dont want him to graduate to stronger opiates though, because then he will eventually be selling all his shit or stealing his friends shit so he can buy expensive opiates like smack or fentanyl.
The best thing you can do is make sure he is well educated and well informed about the baggage that comes along with these drugs.
16 year olds are pretty smart, and as long as he isnt doing drugs to be self destructive, education will go a long way.
also if you can swing it i think it would be good to get him to see a therapist.
and dont beat the shit out of him. Conditional love is worthless. A good thing to do would be to tell him how much you love him and that if he died from an overdose it would destroy your entire life.
dolanslebensraum
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14131139:DIRTYBUBBLE said:
That was from south park right?
i remember thag line but i cant remember where its from.
and yeah, op it would be optimal to get your boy to wait until college or college age to experiment, but it sounds like that can of worms is already opened.
dolanslebensraum
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14131277:NU3R0_PHYS1C1ST said:
How do you know about nz?
TheHamburglar
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14131282:DolanReloaded said:
My first thought was "isn't that a Chef quote?" Love it haha
In college I tried a bunch of things only once or twice but stuck to weed and booze because they were "soft" drugs and ended up with a very heavy weed habit and all the liquor really fucked up my stomach (or was it all the junk food), also I can no longer drink caffeine without feeling like absolute death
Either way, everything in life is best in moderation, and I wish I'd learned that much earlier. Maybe your brother could understand that and be better off from it down the road, gently helping him see that might be a good way to go.
14131281:DolanReloaded said:
Luckily codeine is still prescription only in NZ so hopefully he won’t be getting his hands on any more to easily. I like what you’re saying about just making sure of the “baggage” and self destructiveness of it all I think that’ll definitely be worth clarifying with him and also reminding him that yeah it would destroy my entire life if worst case scenarios happened, I feel like he hasn’t really had anyone say that to him so far it’s just been my parents going like “you’re a fuckin idiot” sort of thing so that’s good I’ll probably mention that stuff in the convo, thanks man
dolanslebensraum
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14131288:Samp20 said:
Oh. I guess it was australia then.
Yeah man, more than anything make sure your son knows you want him to be smart about it and not be reckless or ignorant.
Making sure he is hanging out with friends who are responsible kids is another important thing. Dont let him hang out with reckless idiots who dont have a clue what they are putting in their bodies.
Young_patty
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Wouldn't be too worried- and at the very least you can steal a line or 2 of lean from him. Just keep an eye out if he starts swinging with Xanies or other pills- its pretty easy to spot an addict so just make sure he doesn't go too hard and turn his brain to mush
PsychicMigration
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I'd probably talk to him about it first. smoking now and thens ok but you need to stay motivated and stuff. leaning is not good ever so thats kinda concerning.
xxACIDTRIPxx
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14131284:DolanReloaded said:
I live here?
xxACIDTRIPxx
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14131644:Samp20 said:
Exactly. It’s becoming ingrained within nz and aus festival culture that it’s ok to abuse drugs in this fashion. All these Facebook “sesh” pages glorifying doing multiple “lines” in one night. There is very little harm reduction being practised, hell half these kids don’t even know what real mdma actually feels like, seeing as they’re snorting shit like APVP. They’re going to feel the effects in about ten years, real hard.
I live in Wellington.
oldworld_newlife
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talk to him . Drugs when you're young like that , ESPECIALLY OPIATES, can and WILL stunt emotional development . I've seen it . It's not good . Talk to him . Bypassing development at that age with drugs seems hard but it's easier to do that most realize . I'm sorry man .
KEVTRON
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topic:Samp20 said:
I didn't read most of the replies, so sorry if its been said already but this really stand out to me. He needs CODEINE to help him sleep? Theres plenty of other ways to "help you sleep" out there. It just doesn't add up to me, sounds more like a shitty excuse to get you off his back.
oldworld_newlife
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If all else fails give him like 6 grams of mushrooms tell him it's an eighth , take some with him ,then yell at him until he understands you ,then hug him and tell him you love him ..
Jk don't do that ...unless ..
Jk don't do that ...unless ..
CHU-TANG_CLAN
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Its understandable to experiment and even be doing drugs once in a while for parties. When it becomes that someone is doing them on a daily basis or to get through the day where it becomes a problem.
Im going to also say constant drug use before your brain has time to develop to a fully adult brain (doctors say around 25 i believe) has consequences. Since he is still a young gun, i would intervene.
Weed is kind of a meh thing. But doing it regularly while still a teen isn't a good thing (even though some people are going to give me shit on this site for saying it).
Im going to also say constant drug use before your brain has time to develop to a fully adult brain (doctors say around 25 i believe) has consequences. Since he is still a young gun, i would intervene.
Weed is kind of a meh thing. But doing it regularly while still a teen isn't a good thing (even though some people are going to give me shit on this site for saying it).
xxACIDTRIPxx
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14132330:midwesternmaniac said:
Hahahahaha
arnie_grape
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oi fot iverywan in nz jist smoked mith
16 is pretty young to be doing molly, especially cause your molly is probably 80% mith anyways
I agree with the guy who said you have terrible drug culture and just make sure he doesn't get wacky with it. the people you surround yourself with are the potential issue. nothing wrong with going out and doing drugs once every month or two but if it's going to turn into every weekend/multiple nights a week (maybe years down the road) that is when problems can arise and it's usually cause your friends want to party all the time.
16 is pretty young to be doing molly, especially cause your molly is probably 80% mith anyways
I agree with the guy who said you have terrible drug culture and just make sure he doesn't get wacky with it. the people you surround yourself with are the potential issue. nothing wrong with going out and doing drugs once every month or two but if it's going to turn into every weekend/multiple nights a week (maybe years down the road) that is when problems can arise and it's usually cause your friends want to party all the time.
little1337
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14133340:k-rob said:
To be fair, 16 isn't really that old. I know I did stuff at 16 that makes me cringe today there's no way I really knew the pros and cons of doing drugs at that age. I could have just been dumb even for a 16 year old tho
dolanslebensraum
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14132133:midwesternmaniac said:
This.
even smoking weed at age 16 is going to put a minor damper on your adult intelligence but for the most part weed isnt going to ruin a kids development.
opiates at age 16 are going to make a teenage kid go through a midlife crisis while they are a teenager, which, like you suggested, will impair their development during very important formative years in their life.
at least kids should be waiting until 18 before they experiment with anything harder than weed or shrooms etc...ideally the legal age should be 21 though.
oldworld_newlife
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14133732:DolanReloaded said:
My intuition tells me there's gonna be a lot of work In the future to help people who smoked away their crucial years of their 20s . For the people who really smoke a lot , and strong stuff too, all day every day , we don't know what that does. Doctor's used to say cigarettes were good for you and now look . Yeah it's not all doing and gloom but that plant plays tricks. The mental health effects are subtle often but the ways it can add to pre existing habits is scary .
dolanslebensraum
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14133778:midwesternmaniac said:
Yeah. I think weed varies from person to person. For some people it enriches life, in other people, it turns them psychotic.
you never know