Drone strike

Abdulrahman al-Awlaki was simply sitting in a cafe when he was obliterated by a hell fire missile in a country with which the United States is not at war. He had zero connections to terrorism.

Robert Gibbs states that the killing of Abdulrahman al-Awlaki was condoned because he should of had a a better and more responsible father. Even though the son was killed weeks after his father.

When the US government resolved to the fact that civilian causalities is worth the price of policy, then it's not an accident.

Madeline Aubright dismissed the deaths of a half a million Iraqi children, was that an accident? She felt that it was worth it.

Yet we wonder why 9/11 occurred.

How a U.S. Citizen Came to Be in America’s Cross Hairs-- The New York Times

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/24/robert-gibbs-anwar-al-awlaki_n_2012438.html

How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American-- The Atlantic

 
How is it about natural resources. There is nothing in Afghanistan worth shit and if Bin Laden wasn't behind 9/11 who was? Why would he admit to it? Get your liberal hippy conspiracy theories outta here.
 
I tend to think along the same lines. It doesn't add up to spend trillions of dollars to have a chance at a slice of a trillion dollars.
 
That is correct. I voted for Obama, he is no war criminal like Bush. He helps out those who are needy and has a great shot.
 
Wow, that came out wrong. I agree it is not purely about natural resources.

Sure, keep believing that Bin Laden was behind the attacks.
 
I mean, the US does need to keep a geopolitical position in Central Asia, plus Afghanistan is a strategic fulcrum, bordering China and Iran in the cross-section of hundreds of pipelines sitting atop fluorspar, copper, tantalum lead, barite, marble onyxes, cobalt, zinc, silver, iron, gold, high grade chrome ore, beryl, bauxite, beryllium, uranium, tantalum, thorium, emeralds, as well as lithium. A key material for iPhones, computers, batteries and electric cars. These reserves being larger than the one trillion dollar approximation.

Taking cognizance of this countries affluence in minerals just after the releasing of the USGS 2007 report. All of this information know during the cold war. (EIA)

In a war someone is always profiting.

 
The reason the US got involved in Afghanistan is as a retaliation for 9/11. Why do I believe this? Because before 9/11 there were numerous attacks on American targets by Al Qaeda, the USS Cole and the East Embassy bombings specifically, and the Republicans needed a strong retaliation in order to destroy AQ. Neo-Conservative beliefs also stem from the idea that if there is evil out in the world seeking to attack your country, it is the governments responsibility to actively seek out and destroy those groups instead of simply responding to attacks where american citizens are killed.

Obama started increasing JSOC and drone attacks in Yemen and Pakistan because america was very successful in pushing Al Qaeda out of Afghanistan. America's mission however was not to remove Al Qaeda from Afghanistan, but to destroy Al Qaeda and render it to a state where it couldn't attack american citizens again. As a result of this mission, American forces followed Al Qaeda wherever they went; Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia and most likely other countries unofficially. Like Dustin pointed out, it makes zero sense for the US to attack Afghanistan for resources, even with the heroin trade and resources in Afghanistan the net gain would be non existent. If you want to read a good book on the lead up to the war in Afghanistan read Ali Soufan's The Black Banners or Lawrence Wright's The Looming Tower.

 
Congrats you helped in the down fall of a great nation. By the time Obama leaves office our military will be crippled by budget cuts, taxes will skyrocket, the healthcare system will be destroyed, and theres a possibility he will disarm citizens. Remember the last time a government tried to take our guns? It was called the American Revolution.
 
Refer to this, whenever a country wants war…

Ever smell the stench from a rotting corpse? Ever hold the half torn apart body of a wife, child, and brother, friend as the life slips away into total coldness? Well, hundreds of deaths daily are being orchestrated by a very profitable war machine. If they escalate that machine in Syria, it will be thousands, if not tens of thousands.

The point I am trying to make here which is as relevant as it gets, is that the academia / conditioned entertainment individual mentality today and for the last decade is so detached from reality they talk and write as if debating the rules and reasoning of the war topic as if a cribbage game. They mention death and slaughter (potential or actual) as if a review of a new TV series.

All of us need to grab ourselves by the scuff of our own shirts and kick ourselves very hard, often, and with true disdain as to how we have allowed ourselves to be so sound bite conditioned to be in all reality detached from the reality of the death for profit we are all being spoon fed in the tone as if whom will win the spelling bee today.

Safety through conditioned illusion of the reality of a situation will not cut it any more. Ever dream you could fly, or walk through walls, or walk down the highway into oncoming traffic where the cars would not hit you?

Well, dreaming is safe. Illusion is safe. Hard core "reality" can have lethal and unintended consequences for those that allow themselves to be entertained.

Again, reality says: Stand-down regarding attacking Syria.

Arrogance for a show of deadly force at the cost of much blood and lives cannot be allowed or tolerated. This is not entertainment folks, it is the choice between life and death.

The circumstances for any war or lethal military attack should be determined by: THE ANSWER TO THIS ONE QUESTION: If you, your family, and all of your friends were sitting at ground zero, do the circumstances created by others in that location warrant a lethal strike on ground zero?

If the answer is yes TO THAT QUESTION, than bombs away. If no, then stand down and resolve, or assist to resolving if you choose. Resolving the circumstances that moved the question to be asked in the first place.

War is the bully coward’s way of confrontation without the use of effective true intelligence and brilliance applied for mutually beneficial coexistence. War also puts much easy money in the pockets of what can be called noting other than true, well placed human scum.

The choice is all of ours folks of Life or Death. Choose wisely and back your choice up with true applied force to influence what end result flourishes.

TO END ALL WARS, it is actually much easier to do so than you may think. But then being captured in masterful entertainment for evil profit saturating us all is the first detriment to an easy resolution of the matter.

Those that choose death should in true justice reap what they sow and Ditto for those that choose life.

This is not just about Syria but rather all forthcoming wars. Be prepared to ask you self these questions.

 
I agree with you. War is the absolute most terrible thing in the world, if there was one thing that I could abolish it would be war. It should not be fought for personal or strategic gain, there are however evil people out there who actively seek to murder innocents.

Please don't oversimplify humanity ending war. "It only takes one side to fight a war, but it takes two to end it" sums it up for me. If you think that never getting involved in conflicts is the answer to ending war please go on live leak and spend five minutes watching videos of radical islamists murder citizens. You'll find videos of suicide attacks on hospitals where gunmen openly shoot citizens, doctors and nurses, you can find videos of shiites decapitating sunnis, and sunnis decapitating shiites, videos of rpg's being fired into buses full of refugees or gas attacks on civilians.

It's a tragedy that humans have been involved in war since the start of our species and I hope that someday we can change, however in our world there are groups who wish to violently enact their beliefs on others. If you gauge your success as human being by the lack of blood on your hands instead of your attempts to help the innocent then is this not just as much of a failure?
 
The NY Times reported more on this specific drone attack:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/21/world/middleeast/yemen-deaths-raise-questions-on-new-drone-policy.html?hp&_r=1&

I want to highlight:

But this time the trucks were part of a wedding procession, making the customary journey from the groom’s house to the house of the bride.

The Dec. 12 strike by the Pentagon, launched from an American base in Djibouti, killed at least a half-dozen innocent people, according to a number of tribal leaders and witnesses, and provoked a storm of outrage in the country. It also illuminated the reality behind the talk surrounding the Obama administration’s new drone policy, which was announced with fanfare seven months ago.

At first, the Yemeni government, a close partner with the Obama administration on counterterrorism matters, said that all the dead were militants. But Yemeni officials conceded soon afterward that some civilians had been killed, and they gave 101 Kalashnikov rifles and about 24 million Yemeni riyals (about $110,000) to relatives of the victims as part of a traditional compensation process, a local tribal leader said.

Yemeni government officials and several local tribal leaders said that the dead included several militants with ties to Al Qaeda’s branch in Yemen, but no one has been able to identify them. Some witnesses who have interviewed victims’ families say they believe no militants were killed at all.

Moreover, the president said in May, no strike can be authorized without “near certainty that no civilians will be killed or injured” — a bar he described as “the highest standard we can set.”

Those are the lines I found most important, the blanks can be filled in from the above link.

tl;dr America bombed a wedding procession. Claimed no cilivian deaths. After the news leaked they came out and changed to six cilivian deaths and the families say no militants were killed.
 
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Farther than what. Perhaps whoever you were referring to was farther up your asshole.

Re topic:

I hate it when my drones go on strike.
 
I don't understand why so many of you hate Obama and Obama care. His way works perfectly fine in many other countries. Most Americans are just so stubbornly against change that they'd rather deal with their shitty economy and watch the US dollar take a beating. It took the Neanderthal bush 8 years to fuck you guys up that much so you can't expect Obama to fix it completely.
 
once again, facepalm america

" they authorized a two-week burst of drone strikes to forestall terrorist plots, officials said"

you really think a burst of drone strikes killing hundreds of random people will forestall terrorist plots?
 
It kind of works in Canada because Canada makes it virtually impossible to become a Canadian citizen. Millions of people aren't walking across the border every year from America into Canada, and those who try are dealt with more harshly than the U.S. government could begin to imagine. The same applies to Australia. It is very difficult to become a naturalized citizen in Australia. Where countries have recently relaxed there borders and have opened themselves up to more immigrants, their healthcare systems are failing. If the number of immigrants that cross the border into the U.S. were allowed to continue into Canada for just 12 months, your healthcare system would fail dramatically.

Obama presently has the lowest approval rating since Richard Nixon, so millions of people clearly disagree with you.
 
It's hard to become a citizen because if you let everyone in then yes our health care fail. You need 500,000 dollars, or be offered a job position that is hard to fill without imports. Why? Because our healthcare system works for tax paying citizens. That's the point. You guys have too high of an unemployment rate right now to sustain something like ours, but one day it is possible. Canada's unemployment rate in Canada is roughly 6.8-6.9 percent, with 35 million people. The U.S has an unemployment rate of around 7.3 percent of about 317.3 million. Yes way too many people to support, but your unemployment rate is dropping. We also pay more taxes than you because of health care, but I don't know any Canadian that would want it any other way.
 
In Alberta they have both. Universal health care, and if you can afford it you can skip the waiting periods and pay through their privatized health care.
 
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