Shpadoinkle
Active member
You have no idea what you are talking about. Thank you. Have a nice day.
Drill here. Drill now. Pay Less.
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Shpadoinkle
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I don't feel like posting what I've already posted.
Shpadoinkle
Active member
No, you little people can't get it through your heads - I DON'T WANT TO DEBATE! I POSTED WHAT I WANTED TO POST. I POSTED THE THINGS I 100% AGREE WITH. YES, THEY WERE ARTICLES. SHOULD I HAVE SUMMARIZED THEM FOR YOU OR SOMETHING? BUT THAT HONESTLY WOULDN'T BE WORTH MY TIME.
You guys seem to read caps better - so there you go.
You guys seem to read caps better - so there you go.
Fuel cells are where it's at. United Technologies developed them over a decade ago and it's beyond me why they aren't being used to make cars.
I'm thinking the oil companies have bought the rights to the technology and are keeping things in storage for a rainy day.
I'm thinking the oil companies have bought the rights to the technology and are keeping things in storage for a rainy day.
Haha, no offense Aspen....but YOU posted this thread. Copy and pasting saying that you 100% agree with it is cool and all. But this thread has turned into what could be a great debate. And you're pounding your fists on the ground saying "But I don't wanna!" like a 6 year old. Don't post shit if you can't back it up. And copy and pasting or linking to articles, doesn't count. Use your words, or your brain for that matter. Shit.
Gorilla.Steeze
Active member
and i don't lean at all!!!!! (libertarian)
i don't get how this country can be run with people walking cockeyed all the time :-D
i don't get how this country can be run with people walking cockeyed all the time :-D
Shpadoinkle
Active member
I said at the very beginning of this thread that I didn't want to debate it. I posted the facts - that was it. I don't see why you can't get it through your brains.
Whenever people debate on NS it turns into a name-calling game. A good example is Asian Allen or whatever his name is. A healthy debate is not about name calling. It's supposed to be civilized. When you all can get that through your brains then hit me up. There's a reason why I only invited civilized and mature liberals to my cult - so we could debate without name calling and all that stupid immaturity. And I have to say, it turned out quite well. We have great hearty, healthy debates.
Whenever people debate on NS it turns into a name-calling game. A good example is Asian Allen or whatever his name is. A healthy debate is not about name calling. It's supposed to be civilized. When you all can get that through your brains then hit me up. There's a reason why I only invited civilized and mature liberals to my cult - so we could debate without name calling and all that stupid immaturity. And I have to say, it turned out quite well. We have great hearty, healthy debates.
ATLskier
Active member
no shit, if only city planners werent created shit house neighborhoods with tons of cul de sacs and all that shit, and instead produce pedestrian oriented and friendly neighborhoods, it wouldn't mean that everyone has to take a car to go to the grocery store. I really think the cul de sac craze in urban planning really screwed our country over as far as demand for oil goes. If neighborhoods were designed the way they were before the car, then I think we would be much better off as far as oil goes. Not THAT much better, but better.
skiminnesota
Active member
The GOP cult rules!
dont let the name fool you... we probably have more lefties than Righties....
dont let the name fool you... we probably have more lefties than Righties....
Cul de sacs may be bad, but i think the refusal of a lot of cities to permit mixed-use zoning is an even bigger concern. If we could build denser, more efficient neighborhoods, we wouldn't need to drive as far to get places and as a result, car ownership would likely drop in favor of public transit options *cough*nyc*cough*.
freestyler540
Active member
Aspen, Ryno is proving an excellent point: You can't debate and consider losing or changing your mind. I have somewhat followed the series of posts.
The whole point of laying down a controversial thread is being able to defend it by sound reasoning and good understanding of the topic.Copying and pasting some else research or opinion is plagiarism, and a sign of weak understanding. you must come to your conclusions based on your research on primary data, not secondary. When someone else's conclusion is better backed up, maybe review your sources...especially when yours contradicts word for word the opposing research.
Second, losing will not kill you, it will make you a more educated person. Sharing information is the best way to inform yourself and form your own opinion. It is also being able to bring new information to show the flaw in the person's logic. That can't always be backed up by sources. Critical thinking is crucial. Even if you lose, the experience will help you in your next argument.
Third, there should be any hate in an argument. Hate and polemics just shut down the debate. When people are offended, they shut down and attack with hate and not logic. You seem to shut down after being proven wrong and attack in an easy way, trying to prove how smart you are. It will go nowhere. The excuse of close mindness just shows how weak your reasoning is. You can debate even if you share left or right wing ideologies. Learn to accept, there is no dishonor in admitting defeat, he you can make a friend...like chris mercer.
I hope this post will put people back on course to a good debate.
The whole point of laying down a controversial thread is being able to defend it by sound reasoning and good understanding of the topic.Copying and pasting some else research or opinion is plagiarism, and a sign of weak understanding. you must come to your conclusions based on your research on primary data, not secondary. When someone else's conclusion is better backed up, maybe review your sources...especially when yours contradicts word for word the opposing research.
Second, losing will not kill you, it will make you a more educated person. Sharing information is the best way to inform yourself and form your own opinion. It is also being able to bring new information to show the flaw in the person's logic. That can't always be backed up by sources. Critical thinking is crucial. Even if you lose, the experience will help you in your next argument.
Third, there should be any hate in an argument. Hate and polemics just shut down the debate. When people are offended, they shut down and attack with hate and not logic. You seem to shut down after being proven wrong and attack in an easy way, trying to prove how smart you are. It will go nowhere. The excuse of close mindness just shows how weak your reasoning is. You can debate even if you share left or right wing ideologies. Learn to accept, there is no dishonor in admitting defeat, he you can make a friend...like chris mercer.
I hope this post will put people back on course to a good debate.
Thank you. Another sign of the existence of rational thinkers on here. For my haters though, please note how I acknowledge his rational thinking and reasonable opinions in the absence of his political stance. I don't just hate on republicans for the sake of it...
Seriously though...debate is healthy. You're only hindering your own knowledge by ignoring it.
Seriously though...debate is healthy. You're only hindering your own knowledge by ignoring it.
williamtell414
Member
i didnt read the whole thread because this topic is played and ive heard all the arguments, but...
my family is looking to lease our 93 acre farm in PA to a natural gas co to drill. we get 18 grand up front for them to check for gas and between 12 and 20 grand PER MONTH as long as theyre drilling. the sweet part is that out of 600 acres of land (mine and my neighbors) only about 2 will be used for drilling, meaning it wont interfere with hardly anything, including wildlife/hunting. just a few trucks rolling by. thats a 2 acre sacrifice for my neighbors and I getting hooked up, the oil company getting hooked up, and the consumer getting hooked up with lower prices. I think a misconception is that drilling turns the landscape into an industrial wasteland, when in reality technology has afforded minimal impact to the environment and our livelihood.
my family is looking to lease our 93 acre farm in PA to a natural gas co to drill. we get 18 grand up front for them to check for gas and between 12 and 20 grand PER MONTH as long as theyre drilling. the sweet part is that out of 600 acres of land (mine and my neighbors) only about 2 will be used for drilling, meaning it wont interfere with hardly anything, including wildlife/hunting. just a few trucks rolling by. thats a 2 acre sacrifice for my neighbors and I getting hooked up, the oil company getting hooked up, and the consumer getting hooked up with lower prices. I think a misconception is that drilling turns the landscape into an industrial wasteland, when in reality technology has afforded minimal impact to the environment and our livelihood.
sim
Active member
To quote what could be considered one of the foremost leaders in this area and a prof I had, Dr. David Keith, "the answer to this problem, is that there isn't one."
There currently is no one technology that can just come in and save everything. Everything has their own set of problems or problems waiting to happen. For instance, and to keep this short, if every vehicle in the world were to be electric and use what is generally considered the most efficient type of battery (lithium -ion) then lithium production would have to increase by oh 800 times. Hydrogen cars - think about the infrastructure changes... and where does this hydrogen come from? Don't try and tell me it simply occurs naturally. Wind energy - again infrastructure and the fact that its been modeled to significantly effect wind flow patterns if too much were to be put up, equaling climate change. Solar - currently as expensive as F. Tidal, good luck.
What it eventually comes down to is economics. Oil may be expensive, but at the moment, you can be hard pressed to find anything cheaper. Its gonna stay high, get used to it. Go ahead and drill more in the U.S., that is if there is any conventional left, but its a world market and it'll make little difference.
Electric cars probably are the future, but have many boundaries to overcome yet. I.e, drivetime. Roads with embedded inductors perhaps?
There currently is no one technology that can just come in and save everything. Everything has their own set of problems or problems waiting to happen. For instance, and to keep this short, if every vehicle in the world were to be electric and use what is generally considered the most efficient type of battery (lithium -ion) then lithium production would have to increase by oh 800 times. Hydrogen cars - think about the infrastructure changes... and where does this hydrogen come from? Don't try and tell me it simply occurs naturally. Wind energy - again infrastructure and the fact that its been modeled to significantly effect wind flow patterns if too much were to be put up, equaling climate change. Solar - currently as expensive as F. Tidal, good luck.
What it eventually comes down to is economics. Oil may be expensive, but at the moment, you can be hard pressed to find anything cheaper. Its gonna stay high, get used to it. Go ahead and drill more in the U.S., that is if there is any conventional left, but its a world market and it'll make little difference.
Electric cars probably are the future, but have many boundaries to overcome yet. I.e, drivetime. Roads with embedded inductors perhaps?
I don't even think that's much of a boundary. First, and I have no scientific data to back this up whatsoever.... this seems like a quality that, if there's demand for it, researchers for manufacturers will find a way to increase dramatically and continuously. Kinda like hard drive storage in computers... one ear 2.1 gigs is a big hard drive, 5 years later, we can do 100, etc. Just seems to be the way it goes with technology.
But it doesn't really need to increase that much. The Tesla Roadster I mentioned earlier has a range (drivetime) of something like 500 miles and can be charged overnight (10 hours? I pull that number from foggy memory, could be off). That's pretty damn good if you ask me; I've never driven further than that without stopping for a rest. And that's just off batteries... if you happen to be one of those drive-all-night types, you can look at the method used by a UK company whose name escapes me at the moment... they took an austin mini, gutted it, put an electric motor in each wheel, and used gas to recharge the batteries. Range: about 900km before you have to fill up. Now, that car costs about 350,000 dollars right now, but the concept is certainly one that could be used in a more cost-effective way, and with some research and mass production, I bet you could cut it down to a very manageable price.
But it doesn't really need to increase that much. The Tesla Roadster I mentioned earlier has a range (drivetime) of something like 500 miles and can be charged overnight (10 hours? I pull that number from foggy memory, could be off). That's pretty damn good if you ask me; I've never driven further than that without stopping for a rest. And that's just off batteries... if you happen to be one of those drive-all-night types, you can look at the method used by a UK company whose name escapes me at the moment... they took an austin mini, gutted it, put an electric motor in each wheel, and used gas to recharge the batteries. Range: about 900km before you have to fill up. Now, that car costs about 350,000 dollars right now, but the concept is certainly one that could be used in a more cost-effective way, and with some research and mass production, I bet you could cut it down to a very manageable price.
O RLY? Then if she's so knowledgeable, she should be inclined to share it with the rest of the retards on this site. Unless she thinks she's better than everyone else, there's no harm in taking a little time to help your fellow peers. Like iluvbread who sits here and bags on name calling WHILE saying he didn't read a fucking thing, then "oh can you do a 270 lipslide huh huh?". Maybe you should be quoting him saying he should take 5 minutes to stop being stupid and read the thread, to gain some knowledge, cause he clearly has none. And Ryan is so far from a 'disgrace' to the mods. He sits here, pouring his heart into it, trying to get some sort of intelligible conversation out of these people. And you want to tell him he's wrong for it? Just cause Aspen got her feelings hurt a bit? She kinda had it coming, don't ya think? "Aren't Mods supposed to be nice to others?" lol - just cause his name is green? Please.
StanMcStanson
Active member
What we need is to reduce our dependency on oil. Americans aren't going to change their lifestyles if we get MORE oil, and as soon as that oil runs out, we're in the same situation as now, except with gas at 6 bucks a gallon and it will be too late to change anything. If we drill in the ANWR, we're fucked.
Shpadoinkle
Active member
Ok, this is going to be like the 6th time I've said this...
I don't want to debate in here because you guys are extremely immature about it. I don't care if I win or lose, but apparently you (the liberals) care though. If you want to debate without the name calling and the insults then I might change my mind, but I doubt you guys can do that.
There are actually a few liberals on this site that can talk like mature human beings. So if you want to debate in a mature manor and you are liberal then hit me up for an invite to my cult.
Another thing, it's not plagiarism if you state your sources.
It's done. Over. That's it.
I don't want to debate in here because you guys are extremely immature about it. I don't care if I win or lose, but apparently you (the liberals) care though. If you want to debate without the name calling and the insults then I might change my mind, but I doubt you guys can do that.
There are actually a few liberals on this site that can talk like mature human beings. So if you want to debate in a mature manor and you are liberal then hit me up for an invite to my cult.
Another thing, it's not plagiarism if you state your sources.
It's done. Over. That's it.
Hctiws_iks
Active member
anwr is not smart. period.
throwing out wildlife concerns,
the amount of oil that could be supplied (you cant just pull it all out at once,
would be insignificant to affect prices, Oil prices are affected by the Global market,
oil futures, Stability in Oil producing areas ect. ect.
Internalizing our oil dependence is impossible. Period.
I wish the U.S. government would man up and say "Oil prices are not going to go down." 4 a gallon is the reality.
China and India are now buying high energy consumption products at astounding rates,
As everyone in these countries begins to own cars(its happening, NOW not 20 years in the future)and just consuming more energy as a whole,
their governments are going to be running around everywhere trying to suck oil out of anywhere they can find, regardless of the regimes they are supporting, this is going to hurt oil prices, Political stability, and continue to further fund oppressive governments and organizations. Couple this with the transparency the internet has brought lower classes about their comparative living standards(even with heavy censorship) we are going to have a big problem on our hands.
Its a compounding problem.
We need to wake up and realize if we want to continue to enjoy a solid global economic position, heavy investment in energy alternatives needs to happen. We have to find more ways to encourage companies to learn how to save money by being environmentally conscious. Our youth(aka US) needs to to make green the new space race, Creating new sectors of industry in which the United states leads the way,
and again drawing in intelligence from throughout the world to work here in our country, and stay here.
If you want to argue about the fact that hybrids, electric cars, are expensive, look at the bigger picture. The sooner we invest these technologies, the sooner they become much cheaper than driving a freaking gas guzzler. If we wait on it, our economy will only be hit harder When we eventually shift to environmentally and energy conscious solutions.
If we dont become a model of how to successfully use green technology to enhance the economic success of our business's and country as a whole, how will we preach to china and india that they need to curb their's as well?
Personally i believe that unless this starts soon, our country is going to face another serious economic depression.
I didnt go into this very deep, and its not very well written, but i am only willing to spend so much of my time preaching on message boards.
throwing out wildlife concerns,
the amount of oil that could be supplied (you cant just pull it all out at once,
would be insignificant to affect prices, Oil prices are affected by the Global market,
oil futures, Stability in Oil producing areas ect. ect.
Internalizing our oil dependence is impossible. Period.
I wish the U.S. government would man up and say "Oil prices are not going to go down." 4 a gallon is the reality.
China and India are now buying high energy consumption products at astounding rates,
As everyone in these countries begins to own cars(its happening, NOW not 20 years in the future)and just consuming more energy as a whole,
their governments are going to be running around everywhere trying to suck oil out of anywhere they can find, regardless of the regimes they are supporting, this is going to hurt oil prices, Political stability, and continue to further fund oppressive governments and organizations. Couple this with the transparency the internet has brought lower classes about their comparative living standards(even with heavy censorship) we are going to have a big problem on our hands.
Its a compounding problem.
We need to wake up and realize if we want to continue to enjoy a solid global economic position, heavy investment in energy alternatives needs to happen. We have to find more ways to encourage companies to learn how to save money by being environmentally conscious. Our youth(aka US) needs to to make green the new space race, Creating new sectors of industry in which the United states leads the way,
and again drawing in intelligence from throughout the world to work here in our country, and stay here.
If you want to argue about the fact that hybrids, electric cars, are expensive, look at the bigger picture. The sooner we invest these technologies, the sooner they become much cheaper than driving a freaking gas guzzler. If we wait on it, our economy will only be hit harder When we eventually shift to environmentally and energy conscious solutions.
If we dont become a model of how to successfully use green technology to enhance the economic success of our business's and country as a whole, how will we preach to china and india that they need to curb their's as well?
Personally i believe that unless this starts soon, our country is going to face another serious economic depression.
I didnt go into this very deep, and its not very well written, but i am only willing to spend so much of my time preaching on message boards.
ferrinski86
Member
I am a conservative republican- having said that here is what i have to say:
well put sir. I would love to see us drill here at home but at the same time, in the back of my mind, i know it wont really help. i will admit that. by the time we get the oil out, from anywhere (ANWR, the gulf, colorado) it will be years down the road before we actually get any of it and like somebody said, we can import it cheaper than we can produce it (thats kinda why we trade people haha). the reason why its expensive is because its a golbally traded commodity and it will always be like that.
I think we should reduce our oil depedency by investing in alternative energy. America has always led the world in technology and advancements and we still are but all this takes time and lots and lots and lots of money which is why we havent seen a "new space race" mentality yet. change is coming and i think most people are aware of that. we cannot just fuck with one form of energy and expect it to fix everything. I am talking about every kind of energy too, not just oil. we all know why oil is fucked up, we know why ethonal is fucking with your corn prices, we know electrical cars are close, but for the time being i think we are screwed.
As far as oil futures and stuff like that, i dont know much about it but i want to research and learn about it (unless somebody can explain them to me on this site). I heard from somebody, might have been my economic proffessor that china is buying oil futures at something like 50 years in advance because they are growing so quickly.
Back to drilling here at home. I still think we should drill here, off the coast and in colorado first to contribute more to the worlds oil supply if its viably possible. Im a business major student and i can tell you there is no way in hell i would drill if i couldnt make money, who the fuck would? so you will probably see substidized sp? oil drilling soon if its not already happening (idk srry).
I would like to debate with you Ryno and see what happens. i dont really care what people think about my ideas or yours for that matter, its a debate and its suppost to be fun! haha, and if you want to talk politics some of you should ask aspen for an invite to the GOP cult (we have several members on both sides and we can actually debate with some intellegence and not name calling which is why open thread like this tend to suck). if you read this far thanks for your time.
Cliff notes: the world oil problem sucks and alternative energy needs to be advanced, even tho i still want to drill here if its viably possible. dont debate me unless you read my who argument tho. thanks
well put sir. I would love to see us drill here at home but at the same time, in the back of my mind, i know it wont really help. i will admit that. by the time we get the oil out, from anywhere (ANWR, the gulf, colorado) it will be years down the road before we actually get any of it and like somebody said, we can import it cheaper than we can produce it (thats kinda why we trade people haha). the reason why its expensive is because its a golbally traded commodity and it will always be like that.
I think we should reduce our oil depedency by investing in alternative energy. America has always led the world in technology and advancements and we still are but all this takes time and lots and lots and lots of money which is why we havent seen a "new space race" mentality yet. change is coming and i think most people are aware of that. we cannot just fuck with one form of energy and expect it to fix everything. I am talking about every kind of energy too, not just oil. we all know why oil is fucked up, we know why ethonal is fucking with your corn prices, we know electrical cars are close, but for the time being i think we are screwed.
As far as oil futures and stuff like that, i dont know much about it but i want to research and learn about it (unless somebody can explain them to me on this site). I heard from somebody, might have been my economic proffessor that china is buying oil futures at something like 50 years in advance because they are growing so quickly.
Back to drilling here at home. I still think we should drill here, off the coast and in colorado first to contribute more to the worlds oil supply if its viably possible. Im a business major student and i can tell you there is no way in hell i would drill if i couldnt make money, who the fuck would? so you will probably see substidized sp? oil drilling soon if its not already happening (idk srry).
I would like to debate with you Ryno and see what happens. i dont really care what people think about my ideas or yours for that matter, its a debate and its suppost to be fun! haha, and if you want to talk politics some of you should ask aspen for an invite to the GOP cult (we have several members on both sides and we can actually debate with some intellegence and not name calling which is why open thread like this tend to suck). if you read this far thanks for your time.
Cliff notes: the world oil problem sucks and alternative energy needs to be advanced, even tho i still want to drill here if its viably possible. dont debate me unless you read my who argument tho. thanks
ferrinski86
Member
btw:
i was agreeing with your post srry. haha
i was agreeing with your post srry. haha
sim
Active member
I had it in my head at about 200. 200 something. A quick search (only one source) is telling me that it is 200 miles. No that is not too bad, but nor is it great. Thus, I would still say its a boundary. Another being the fact that it isnt cheap. Thirdly, it would be one of those cars that uses Lithium Ion cells. Like said, to convert every car to electric, Lithium production would have to be monumentally increased, and its not like Lithium doesnt have any environmental impact, albeit less than many things. I'm definitely not gonna dispute this cars performance.
I don't know too much about this UK concept you are talking about, but it sorta sounds like a glorified hybrid. Furthermore 900 km isnt anything exciting. A good hybrid gets maybe 4L/100 km. Do a little math and thats a 36 Liter tank to go 900 km. Pretty small fuel tank by most standards.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think these are bad ideas, just again its not always just as simple as it might seem. Your right, with more R & D things could start happening, but the economics still have to work. But that takes time - another boundary to be overcome.
I can tell you right now, that I won't be paying an extra 50 000 dollars or so for a vehicle and I'm doubting few consumers would be.
I don't know too much about this UK concept you are talking about, but it sorta sounds like a glorified hybrid. Furthermore 900 km isnt anything exciting. A good hybrid gets maybe 4L/100 km. Do a little math and thats a 36 Liter tank to go 900 km. Pretty small fuel tank by most standards.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think these are bad ideas, just again its not always just as simple as it might seem. Your right, with more R & D things could start happening, but the economics still have to work. But that takes time - another boundary to be overcome.
I can tell you right now, that I won't be paying an extra 50 000 dollars or so for a vehicle and I'm doubting few consumers would be.
natedogg789435
Active member
coming from a liberal standpoint. i agree with everything you say. although i wish that we could end all dependency on all oil i understand this ideal is quite immpossibe for the the time being. appreciate the forum but dont sign the petition just because one of my life goals is to wean myself away from dependency on oil and i dont believe further drilling is the key to this. also i wouldnt mind an inivite to the GOP cult if you wouldnt mind
Rez4frederick
Active member
Got this in an email
FIRST… do you
know what ANWR is?
ANWR = Arctic
National Wildlife Refuge.
Now… A comparison
And some perspective…
NOTE WHERE THE
PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AREA IS…
(it's in the
"ANWR Coastal Plain")
THIS IS WHAT THE
DEMOCRATS, LIBERALS AND "GREENS" SHOW YOU WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT
ANWR
…and they are
right… these ARE photographs of ANWR
ISN'T ANWR
BEAUTIFUL? WHY SHOULD WE DRILL HERE (AND DESTROY) THIS BEAUTIFUL
PLACE?
WELL… THAT'S NOT EXACTLY THE TRUTH
Do you
remember the map?
The map showed that
the proposed drilling area is in the ANWR Coastal Plain
Do those
photographs look like a coastal plain to you?
WHAT'S GOING ON
HERE?
THE ANSWER IS
SIMPLE…
THAT IS NOT WHERE THEY ARE WANTING TO
DRILL!
THIS IS WHAT THE
PROPOSED EXPLORATION AREA ACTUALLY
LOOKS LIKE IN THE WINTER
AND THIS IS WHAT IT
ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE
IN THE SUMMER
HERE ARE A COUPLE
SCREEN SHOTS FROM GOOGLE EARTH
AS YOU CAN
SEE, THE AREA WHERE THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT DRILLING IS A BARREN WASTELAND.
OH… AND THEY
SAY THAT THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE EFFECT ON THE LOCAL WILDLIFE…
HERE IS A PHOTO
(SHOT DURING THE SUMMER) OF THE
"DEPLETED WILDLIFE" SITUATION CREATED BY DRILLING AROUND PRUDHOE BAY *…
DON'T YOU THINK THAT THE CARIBOU REALLY HATE THAT DRILLING?
HERE'S THAT SAME
SPOT DURING THE WINTER.
HEY, THIS
BEAR SEEMS TO REALLY HATE
THE PIPELINE NEAR PRUDHOE BAY *…
*The Prudhoe bay
area accounts for 17% of U.S.
domestic oil production
NOW, WHY DO YOU
THINK THAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE LYING ABOUT
ANWR?
REMEMBER WHEN
AL GORE
SAID THAT
THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD WORK TO ARTIFICIALLY
RAISE GAS PRICES
TO $5.00 A GALLON?
WELL…
AL GORE AND HIS FELLOW DEMOCRATS HAVE
ALMOST REACHED THEIR GOAL!
NOW THAT YOU KNOW
THAT THE DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN LYING,
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?
YOU CAN START
BY FORWARDING THIS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW…
SO THAT THEY WILL KNOW THE TRUTH.
FIRST… do you
know what ANWR is?
ANWR = Arctic
National Wildlife Refuge.
Now… A comparison
And some perspective…
NOTE WHERE THE
PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AREA IS…
(it's in the
"ANWR Coastal Plain")
THIS IS WHAT THE
DEMOCRATS, LIBERALS AND "GREENS" SHOW YOU WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT
ANWR
…and they are
right… these ARE photographs of ANWR
ISN'T ANWR
BEAUTIFUL? WHY SHOULD WE DRILL HERE (AND DESTROY) THIS BEAUTIFUL
PLACE?
WELL… THAT'S NOT EXACTLY THE TRUTH
Do you
remember the map?
The map showed that
the proposed drilling area is in the ANWR Coastal Plain
Do those
photographs look like a coastal plain to you?
WHAT'S GOING ON
HERE?
THE ANSWER IS
SIMPLE…
THAT IS NOT WHERE THEY ARE WANTING TO
DRILL!
THIS IS WHAT THE
PROPOSED EXPLORATION AREA ACTUALLY
LOOKS LIKE IN THE WINTER
AND THIS IS WHAT IT
ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE
IN THE SUMMER
HERE ARE A COUPLE
SCREEN SHOTS FROM GOOGLE EARTH
AS YOU CAN
SEE, THE AREA WHERE THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT DRILLING IS A BARREN WASTELAND.
OH… AND THEY
SAY THAT THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE EFFECT ON THE LOCAL WILDLIFE…
HERE IS A PHOTO
(SHOT DURING THE SUMMER) OF THE
"DEPLETED WILDLIFE" SITUATION CREATED BY DRILLING AROUND PRUDHOE BAY *…
DON'T YOU THINK THAT THE CARIBOU REALLY HATE THAT DRILLING?
HERE'S THAT SAME
SPOT DURING THE WINTER.
HEY, THIS
BEAR SEEMS TO REALLY HATE
THE PIPELINE NEAR PRUDHOE BAY *…
*The Prudhoe bay
area accounts for 17% of U.S.
domestic oil production
NOW, WHY DO YOU
THINK THAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE LYING ABOUT
ANWR?
REMEMBER WHEN
AL GORE
SAID THAT
THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD WORK TO ARTIFICIALLY
RAISE GAS PRICES
TO $5.00 A GALLON?
WELL…
AL GORE AND HIS FELLOW DEMOCRATS HAVE
ALMOST REACHED THEIR GOAL!
NOW THAT YOU KNOW
THAT THE DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN LYING,
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?
YOU CAN START
BY FORWARDING THIS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW…
SO THAT THEY WILL KNOW THE TRUTH.
Shpadoinkle
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How come Alaskans support the development in ANWR?
stormtrooper
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done
KRASHED
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In a economy forced upon natives they had and still have little choice but to adapt or die out. The natives would be considered below the poverty line by todays standards and their sources of income mainly rely on the resources other companies bring out of their land. When that drys up or gets shut down they're back to square one. Most, but not all, natives or locals welcome drillers and miners with open eyes because they see food on the table and a family they can support by means other than traditional native customs (which are not very effective in todays world).
Shpadoinkle
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I don't understand how you guys think. ANWR is basically barren land. Nothing is on it. I don't know if you guys already know this or not, but the US Navy some years ago drilled in ANWR.
Ahmets_Brother
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1. If the US becomes independent of global oil, it doesnt affect the companies. china and other nations are plenty enough demand and it will only further encourage industrialization in those nations
2. If we wait longer to drill oil in our nation, we will only become more gas efficient. Drilling now is a short term relief, but wont help fix the problem. If we wait, we can use it longer when other oil supplies diminish. High prices encourage innovation. When its time to drill, we will be highly efficient at using the oil.
3. Keeping oil reserves can be a HUGE safeguard to our economy in the future. When other nations are in need of oil once we ourselves have become efficient at oil use, we can sell them oil at expensive rates, thus making the US a richer country like the current oil producing nations.
4. Develop other technology. Wind power, solar, and NUCLEAR.
2. If we wait longer to drill oil in our nation, we will only become more gas efficient. Drilling now is a short term relief, but wont help fix the problem. If we wait, we can use it longer when other oil supplies diminish. High prices encourage innovation. When its time to drill, we will be highly efficient at using the oil.
3. Keeping oil reserves can be a HUGE safeguard to our economy in the future. When other nations are in need of oil once we ourselves have become efficient at oil use, we can sell them oil at expensive rates, thus making the US a richer country like the current oil producing nations.
4. Develop other technology. Wind power, solar, and NUCLEAR.
Shpadoinkle
Active member
That was a very intelligent answer. Thank you.
I agree with that, but we shouldn't wait much longer. I mean actually drilling takes some time. Oil isn't coming in fast enough and neither are alternative fuels - well they are, but the most efficient ones are privately owned.
I agree with that, but we shouldn't wait much longer. I mean actually drilling takes some time. Oil isn't coming in fast enough and neither are alternative fuels - well they are, but the most efficient ones are privately owned.