Drill baby drill

THE BOP FAILED 4 weeks prior, and BP knew it wasnt reliable!! They also overruled TO about keeping the mud in, which would of PREVENTED THE ACCIDENT!
Down near the seabed is the blowout preventer, or BOP. It's used to seal the well shut in order to test the pressure and integrity of the well, and, in case of a blowout, it's the crew's only hope. A key component is a rubber gasket at the top called an "annular," which can close tightly around the drill pipe.

Williams says, during a test, they closed the gasket. But while it was shut tight, a crewman on deck accidentally nudged a joystick, applying hundreds of thousands of pounds of force, and moving 15 feet of drill pipe through the closed blowout preventer. Later, a man monitoring drilling fluid rising to the top made a troubling find.

"He discovered chunks of rubber in the drilling fluid. He thought it was important enough to gather this double handful of chunks of rubber and bring them into the driller shack. I recall asking the supervisor if this was out of the ordinary. And he says, 'Oh, it's no big deal.' And I thought, 'How can it be not a big deal? There's chunks of our seal is now missing,'" Williams told Pelley.

In the hours before the disaster, Deepwater Horizon's work was nearly done. All that was left was to seal the well closed. The oil would be pumped out by another rig later. Williams says, that during a safety meeting, the manager for the rig owner, Transocean, was explaining how they were going to close the well when the manager from BP interrupted.

"I had the BP company man sitting directly beside me. And he literally perked up and said 'Well my process is different. And I think we're gonna do it this way.' And they kind of lined out how he thought it should go that day. So there was short of a chest-bumping kind of deal. The communication seemed to break down as to who was ultimately in charge," Williams said.

Last week, the White House asked Bea to help analyze the Deepwater Horizon accident. Bea investigated the Columbia Space Shuttle disaster for NASA and the Hurricane Katrina disaster for the National Science Foundation. Bea's voice never completely recovered from the weeks he spent in the flood in New Orleans. But as the White House found, he's among the nation's best, having investigated more than 20 offshore rig disasters.

"Mr. Williams comes forward with these very detailed elements from his viewpoint on a rig. That's a brave and intelligent man," Bea told Pelley.

"What he's saying is very important to this investigation, you believe?" Pelley asked.

"It is," the professor replied.

What strikes Bea is Williams' description of the blowout preventer. Williams says in a drilling accident four weeks before the explosion, the critical rubber gasket, called an "annular," was damaged and pieces of it started coming out of the well.

"According to Williams, when parts of the annular start coming up on the deck someone from Transocean says, ‘Look, don't worry about it.' What does that tell you?" Pelley asked.

"Houston we have a problem," Bea replied.

Here's why that's so important: the annular is used to seal the well for pressure tests. And those tests determine whether dangerous gas is seeping in.

"So if the annular is damaged, if I understand you correctly, you can't do the pressure tests in a reliable way?" Pelley asked.

"That's correct. You may get pressure test recordings, but because you're leaking pressure, they are not reliable," Bea explained.

Williams also told us that a backup control system to the blowout preventer called a pod had lost some of its functions.

"The morning of the disaster, according to Williams, there was an argument in front of all the men on the ship between the Transocean manager and the BP manager. Do you know what that argument is about?" Pelley asked.

Bea replied, "Yes," telling Pelley the argument was about who was the boss.

In finishing the well, the plan was to have a subcontractor, Halliburton, place three concrete plugs, like corks, in the column. The Transocean manager wanted to do this with the column full of heavy drilling fluid - what drillers call "mud" - to keep the pressure down below contained. But the BP manager wanted to begin to remove the "mud" before the last plug was set. That would reduce the pressure controlling the well before the plugs were finished.

Asked why BP would do that, Bea told Pelley, "It expedites the subsequent steps."

"It's a matter of going faster," Pelley remarked.

"Faster, sure," Bea replied.

Bea said BP had won that argument.

"If the 'mud' had been left in the column, would there have been a blowout?" Pelley asked.

"It doesn't look like it," Bea replied.
 
1.Canadian Relief Well policy under review:

http://www.neb.gc.ca/clf-nsi/rthnb/nwsrls/2010/nwsrls03-eng.html

The National Energy Board (NEB) will hold a written hearing to review its policy on same season relief well capability for oil and gas drilling operations in the Beaufort Sea.

Same season relief well capability is the ability to drill a relief well in the same season in which the original well was drilled. The practice is intended to help control a blowout and reduce the impact of hydrocarbons being released into the Arctic Ocean. The NEB regulates these drilling activities under the Canada Oil and Gas Operations Act.


The Imperial Oil company (owned by ExxonMobil) asked the NEB for an advanced ruling on the above policy.

2.The Lona O-55 is Chevrons 2.6km deep well off the coast of Newfoundland & Labrador

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20100510/chevron-oil-well-100510/20100510?hub=TopStoriesV2

Chevron has adequate safety plans and emergency response plans in place, and there is plenty of local capacity to respond to a small spill.

However, if a large disaster struck, he conceded that it would take 11 days for a ship capable of drilling a relief well to arrive.
 
wtf was the last 17 seconds on the first video? None of the video was breaking news, and they close it with trash talk?

Fox is just dumb.
 
posted may 3rd.

As for your command, I did watch the video, that's how i got to the last 17 seconds... But still, Judge Napolitano is Fox -- has been for 12 years. He's not that special.
 
it's a completely legitimate thing to say about Shepard Smith, which i did.

Judge Napolitano on the other hand,while reporting a legitimate story, is still nothing special.

but ya, back to the oil...

 
I don't know if this has been said yet, but I just read an article in the paper... yes the newspaper does still exists...This oil spill has exceeded the Valdez volume. This is the by far the worst oil spill in U.S. history. It is estimated that at least 18 MILLION gallons have spilled so far, but possibly as much as 39 million gallons. The Valdez was only 11 million gallons of oil. This event is not only a catastrophe, but an abomination. I haven't read much about the extent of the effect of the spill on shorelines, but I can only imagine the fate to any animals or plants in the path of the spill. Our #1 priorty needs to be plugging the well... if that means accepting aid from other countries, GOOD! The sooner this is stopped, the better. It is absurd to assume that we are better off figuring this one out on our own. Our second priority should be to take a very serious look at our energy policy. I might be dreaming in color, but I believe we need to stop relying on oil. America is like a rich meth addict... we will just keep using oil until it destroys our country and our economy. Renewable energy needs to be our future, if not, we have no future. I actually believe Nuclear energy is the way to go for now. But I hate political threads so I don't plan on explaining why I think nuclear energy is good.

God Bless America.
 
Too many people are making too much money to let the happen. We're going to use it until it's all dried up, at which point it will be far too late and we will all be truly fucked.
 
What about the computer you just typed this on? And everything around you in the room you typed it, and the shoes you wear when you go outside, and i'm sorry, but the Ski's you Click in to (bindings too) and the lift pass you show to the guy with the Plastic reader - then what about the lift you get on.... and what about that box you like to hit?
Where the fuck do you think all that comes from?
Im sorry, but Americans are Hypocrits... to a level i've never seen before.
You will happily take oil for your products if it comes from someone elses back yard... Nigeria, or Iraq, or Saudi Arabia.... then shut yours down when an accident happens. When a plane crashes in the USA (which they do with alarming regularity) do you shut every airport down and ground every plane? NO. Thousands and thousands and thousands of these wells are completed safely every year... someone fucked up in a region where safety standards are lower then the rest of the world (YES america has some of the lowest offshore safety standards in the world IMO having worked offshore in many regions of the planet) and now every one is calling for oil drilling to be banned...etc etc... it's ridiculous. this is a catastrophe, an absolute, un justifiable fuck up..... made by american workers on an american rig..., with one of your biggest companies (cameron) Seabed Equipment (BOP)....this is your accident. I personally know this was an accident waiting to happen, and part of me is relieved because now things will change, just like they did in the north sea in the 80's. Unfortunately you are a country of glamor merchants, the whole election campaign is a flag waving, whooping, god bless america affair with little substance. Now you have a president jumping on the disaster hypetrain calling for this and that without thinking anything through, its embarrassing to watch!... i wish bp would throw him the keys and say there you go, get on with it then... arrogance.
I'm sorry, but you use oil for everything - Energy is a tiny amount...... You can build all the nuclear power stations you want, you will still need masses of oil... what do you think global manufacturing and your american economy is founded on? Oil. It's not a dependence, it's a fact of life, like the air you breath.... Oil is fundamental to modern living END OF STORY. Blanket banning it is wrong, making sure you do it right and safely, and follow process in the first place is what should of happened....
I'm so sick of the media with this. If you're so concerned, you can actually volunteer to help with the clean up, like i have done, and get down to Louisiana with me and help sort this out - keep the TV off too!!
Top Kill seems to be going well, no oil has been released into the ocean whilst pumping mud...(water based clay slurry). so fingers crossed they can bring this fuck up to an end.
Just so you know, from someone who is embedded right in the middle of this - the biggest frustration for me and Bp and everyone trying to engineer this problem is your government and coast guard. We were ready to start top killing days ago, but we had to wait for your president (the amazing engineer he is) to sign off on the plan... it never got through all the bullshit until 1pm on Wed.... 1:05Pm we hit the pump levers. Just bear that in mind when slagging off bp etc.... because you need them and their expertise and money right now.
 
learn from your mistakes yeah?
fuck me......
Sorry for ranting above, but as a north sea trained offshore engineer, the problem lies with the MMS and the lack of it's technical authority. Since working in Houston i have been amazed at some of the processes folllowed, or not followed in design.... an attitude of "that'll do"..... rather then, "this is what i want, nothing less....and here are the calculations, analysis and design reports to back it up, and here are all the technical specifications and documentation i have written specifically for this job".
but yeah i never knew about that, scary. You also had the prudhoe bay pipeline leak a couple of years ago too....

 
its odd that the news media isn't reporting the the substance you see escaping is actually the mud and not the oil. this hasn't been established yet. why not?
 
Because it doesn't fit well with the "Disaster Hype Train" that is American Media....
Everyone up in arms looking at images of shit you'd find in your back yard. clay mud and water...
It's not killed yet though, but all the time they're pumping, there is no oil / gas flowing into the gulf.
 
they did suspend it yesterday because too much mud was escaping. if thats the case, how can they expect to build up enough pressure in the mud tube to pack the mud down into the drill pipe. tight seal vs loose. if you know what i mean. unless i'm totally talking out my ass about pressures.
 
imagine a column of fluid that is twice as dense if not more then seawater.
Look at the pressures acting down there under just a column of seawater? the pressure exerted be the hydrostatic head of seawater is circa 2000/2500 psi at 5000ft.... small family car per sq inch....
So if you take that column, then push it another 5-10,000 ft down the hole, essentially, the weight of that column of mud alone is greater then the flowing pressure of the reservoir.... then the well is controlled. Understand?
Now it's not quite that simple, and it's a very very complex and delicate operation (as i've said, this is apollo 13 level's of complexity....). You have no gauges, it's all being done visually by the ROV. That ploom is useful, because they can see (using a simple wrench like yesterday and holding it in the ploom for 20 minutes or so then pulling back and zooming in on it to look for traces of oil....) what they're dealing with.
The other issue is the damaged LMRP... you don't know how weak it is, so you can't just go max chat [pressure from the mud pumps because you risk blowing the whole lmrp off the top of the BOP....
They suspended it to make an assessment, all part of the plan.... im not sure what,if any oil and gas was flowing then... but they would of timed it, and probably done some crazy calcs based on how long it took from suspending pumping, for oil to flow again, to scale the down hole flow of the mud compared to the losses at the leak... it's going two ways when they're pumping, down hole, and out of the leak..hope that helps
 
I had trouble quoting the first page but this is from 4-23: ^That BBC report is so wrong, and really irresponsible journalism, showing clips of valdez oil on shore and seals and shit.... This is no where near that. It's a small sheen that will be dispersed. It won't even reach shore. The well has stopped flowing... The diesel on board the horizon will evaporate, if not burnt in the fire. Even at full flow rate, constantly flowing into the ocean, it would take over a month to get near to what the drunken twat on valdez spilt.

I don't do this to be facetious, I do it to point out the reason why you've got to wait for Obama to give the O.K. to go forward at this point.

The Government tried trusting BP -- or rather, at the least, didn't overstep them at first. There was the request to have independent analysts take a look at the leak's flow rate, but BP denied this.

In our view (the non-expert) BP's primary interest wasn't to stop the leak outright, it was to contain the leak, while not having to kill the well.

The government has had to stop them from using the more toxic dispersant, and assert that there be two relief wells -- not one.

I don't expect the government to be the experts on how to handle the situation, so now they're needed to figure out what they can and can't trust in terms of information coming out of BP. To say that it's Obama's fault for being a bureaucrat and making BP wait around to start the top kill is disingenuous to circumstances.

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On a separate note, they hypocrisy card is not entirely fair to play either. Ya, you're right a lot of us do not fully understand how much we depend on oil. However this isn't entirely something you can hold the consumer accountable for. It's not like all the products that we consume sell themselves. It's a shared fault between the producers, the sellers, the consumers, and the governors.

Furthermore, you call us out on our hypocrisy, as if we have a choice to abandon oil -- knowing full well that we can't both abandon it and maintain any sort of power to enact the change we want.

I understand the bitching can be annoying, but it's what happens when you're powerless.

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Anyways, thank you for actually being a part of the clean up. I know you've made it clear you're well intentioned, but as I pointed out in the beginning of this thread, you've got an inseparable bias towards the industry you work in. The accident wasn't an isolated incident, there were failure to plan appropriately, there were those who rushed and cut corners, there were those in government who were corrupted & those who went to the government to corrupt. And yes, there's the folks at home who have no idea about what's going on and how they contribute to the problem.

In the mean time though, we've got to work together -- despite the conflicts of interest, and the future consequences to get the work done.

 
Photos of the coast/marshes and wildlife:http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/05/oil_reaches_louisiana_shores.html

Read the interview with marine biologist Carl Safina to get a sense of the far reaching ecological consequences::http://www.democracynow.org/2010/5/27/expert_ecological_impact_of_spill_could

An excerpt from the interview "Well, the dispersant is a toxic pollutant that has

been applied in the volume of millions of gallons and I think has

greatly exacerbated the situation. I think the whole idea of using a

dispersant is wrong, and I think it’s part of the whole pattern of BP

trying to cover up and hide the body. They don’t want us to see how

much oil, so they’ve taken this oil that was concentrated at the

surface and dissolved it. But when you dissolve it, it’s still there, and it actually gets more

toxic, because instead of being in big blobs, it’s now dissolved and

can get across the gills, get into the mouths of animals. The water

below the floating oil was water. Now it’s this toxic soup. So I think

that in this whole pattern of BP trying to not let people know what’s

going on, the idea of disperse the oil is a way of just hiding the

body. But it actually makes the oil more toxic, and it adds this

incredible amount of toxic pollutant in the dispersant itself."

So BP decides to mislead people on the size of the slick by dumping a million gallons of toxic dispersant (that is banned in Europe by the way and has been known to be highly toxic to wildlife since being used in the Valdez spill, ALSO, the board members of the company that make

Corexit, the dispersant being used in the gulf, are also on the board of Exxon and BP) on the surface and below the surface, so that one giant oil slick no longer exists on the surface of the water. The oil is broken down into tiny droplets by the dispersant and can sink and congregate underwater, forming gigantic oil plumes. BP is also far far under representing the volume of oil leaking from the well, with more realistic numbers in the million to millions of gallons a day says Colombia and Purdue scientists.

The gulf is completely fucked.. people are getting sick out there from the dispersant and oil is washing ashore in great quanties on the coastal wildlife refuges and moving toward the florida keys. Currents could very well possibly take the oil up the atlantic coast and and then eastward, bringing the scenario to global in scope. The whole thing is surreal and a big wake up call to the people of the planet.

 
i can agree with most of your posts in this thread. Except for this one. A plane crash, however disasterous it may be, cannot be compared to a ecological catastrophe such as this. A plane crash does not impact an entire region of a country. A plane crash doesn't ruin hundreds of different fisheries. A plane crash does not cost billions of dollars to clean up. People don't question plane safety after a plane crash because they are familiar with it. They have mostly flown a couple times before, and planes for the most part, have been and will be safe. Oil drilling isn't as known to the general public, and yes, for the most part, they are safe. But if there is a fuck up, no matter who's fault it is, an oil spill will always be more disasterous than a plane crash.

Think of it this way. If there is something in your house that could cost you thousands of dollars if it malfunctions, would you want it in your house?

My 2 cents
 
Glad to see this thread is still generating discussion.

I know it's a little off the original topic but if people who've followed along and participated in this debate get a chance to watch the hbo doco gas land i'd love to have another thread about natural gas similar to this one.
 
There is a gasland thread already with 3 posts if you want to bump it.

Let me just say that this "documentary" is garbage. I can pick apart and disprove every controversial thing he says. It really is one giant pile of dog shit.

You should bump it, I also have a PDF that debunks some of the main points, not sure how to post that though.
 
Glad to see this thread is still generating discussion.

I know it's a little off the original topic but if people who've followed along and participated in this debate get a chance to watch the hbo doco gas land i'd love to have another thread about natural gas similar to this one.
 
how many news reports do you see these days that aren't garbage.

Im wayy out of the loop rite now. last i hear they had under water robots with diamond saws trying to fix the problem, but like i said im wayyy out of the loop. I say they nuke it.
 
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