DRAFT in 2005?

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US Preparing for Military Draft in Spring 2005

by Adam Stutz

Vancouver IndyMedia - Wednesday January 28, 2004 at 09:50 AM
http://www.vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2004/01/105146.php

The current agenda of the US federal government is to reinstate the draft

in order to staff up for a protracted war on 'terrorism.'

Pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills S 89 and HR 163)

would time the program so the draft could begin at early as

Spring 2005 -- conveniently just after the 2004 presidential election!

Reinstatement of the draft

Dear Friends and Family,

I urge you to read the article below on the current agenda of the

federal government to reinstate the draft in order to staff up for a

protracted war on 'terrorism.'

Pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills S 89 and HR 163)

would time the program so the draft could begin at early as

Spring 2005 -- conveniently just after the 2004 presidential election! But

the administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed NOW, so our

action is needed immediately. Details and links follow.

If voters who currently support U.S. aggression abroad were confronted

with the possibility that their own children or grandchildren might not

have a say about whether to fight, many of these same voters might have a

change of mind. (Not that it should make a difference, but this plan would

among other things eliminate higher education as a shelter and would not

exclude women -- and Canada is no longer an option.)

Please send this on to all the parents and teachers you know, and all the

aunts and uncles, grandparents, godparents.... And let your

children know -- it's their future, and they can be a powerful voice for

change! Please also write to your representatives to ask them why they

aren't telling their constituents about these bills -- and write to

newspapers and other media outlets to ask them why they're not

covering this important story.

The Draft*

$28 million has been added to the 2004 Selective Service System (SSS)

budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June

15, 2005. SSS must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the

system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation.

Please see website:http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html to view the

SSS Annual Performance Plan - Fiscal Year 2004.

The Pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft

board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide..

Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military experts and

influential members of Congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's

prediction of a 'long, hard slog' in Iraq and Afghanistan [and a

permanent state of war on 'terrorism'] proves accurate, the U.S. may have

no choice but to draft.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5146.htm

Congress brought twin bills, S. 89 and H.R. 163 forward this year,

entitled the Universal National Service Act of 2003, 'To provide for the

common defense by requiring that all young persons [age 18--26] in the

United States, including women, perform a period of military

service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national

defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.' These active bills

currently sit in the Committee on Armed Services.

Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era

remember. College and Canada will not be options. In December

2001, Canada and the US signed a 'Smart Border Declaration,' which could

be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's Minister of

Foreign Affairs, John Manley, and US Homeland Security Director, Gov. Tom

Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among

other things, a 'pre-clearance agreement' of people entering and departing

each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along

gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter.

Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of

their cur-rent semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic

year.

* This article by Adam Stutz is from the 'What's Hot Off the Press' column

of the newsletter of Project Censored, a media research group at Sonoma

State University that tracks the news published in

independent journals and newsletters. From these, Project Censored

compiles an annual list (more than 20 years running) of 25 news

stories of social significance that have been overlooked, under-

reported, or self-censored by the country's major national news media. The

mission of Project Censored is 'to educate people about the role of

independent journalism in a democratic society and to tell The News That

Didn't Make the News and why.'

'What's Hot Off the Press' includes student synopses of articles

currently being investigated for inclusion in the next Project

Censored report. For more info and/or to receive Project Censored's

newsletter, go tohttp://www.projectcensored.org,

or email: [censored]@sonoma.edu

*********

FYI...a Google search using S -89 indicates that Senator Hollings has

introduced a bill to reinstate the draft.

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not sure to believe it or not..but if dubyah thinks im fighting for his wars he's fucking crazy.

w.m.h
 
hmm i don't think there'll be a draft. Why would there be? We have like 200,000 soldiers in iraq right? only 500 dead? Seems like they arent running low. I turn 18 in 2005. I wonder if it would be before or after the draft.

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^I suggest you read that article and the embedded links to get more of an idea. You might be unpleasantly surprised.

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i dont think there will be one, but if i ever get drafted im burning my draft card

'hey can i have a butload of cash?... NO'

Johnny d in the cribs segment of 1242

 
yeah i highly doubt a draft, but you never know

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hahhaha, i bet if bush or whoever senator does this and gets it passed, and it goes into effect, i bet only like 20% of the nation's drafted will actually go through....

World War 2 was one thing... our total freedom, was being threatened, our lives as we know it would be 100% different if Hitler had succeded, if i was alive back then, i would be on the front line going to fight, but this is stupid, fighting for freedom is one thing, fighting for votes/oil/whatever our politicions are after.... is another thing....

4FRNT.

Sidewinder Sports
 
I didn't read all of that but why would a Canadian news source be first to inform me that the United States is trying to reinstate the draft?

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Andrew Franklin


FCHW What?

'Poop is for cool kids. One time at school I saw poop in the trash can. I was in like 1st grade. It might have been chocolate milk on bread though.' -EastCoastPride
 
the united states armies are changing their fighting techniques. instead having enormous waves of invading troops, they are downsizing so that they can work with highly mobile strategic units comprised of very specialized soldiers that attack quickly, this way responses to crises can be organized immediatley. i don't think that the draft is going to be very important in the future? why are they trying to reinstate it now?

the white n word

Alpinecowboy84 is a fucking fag

Jackson sucks, tell your friends.

Opinions were like kittens, I was givin' em away.
 
Please note-It is currently election year. No plans of a draft would arise. the only reason for something like this would be to try and attack a political candidate. Thank You

 
there is no chance that they will... they wouldn't dare even try unless they have dispersed all their reserves, also the american public wouldn't stand for another draft. Also if your smart just go to college they can't draft you if your in college. or just move to canada. its just an article to scare you... kinda what the media is there for.

.:l[Tyler]l:.

 
Fuck that... I'm not going to go risk my life to go fight for a cause I don't agree with, against an enemy that's about as concrete as a cloud of smoke, in a country where just about everyone wants to blow me to hell with an RPG round as soon as my back is turned. I'm also not going to risk my life to go kill people that may or may not have ever had anything to do with any terrorist attacks on the US or its allies.

I have a dual citizenship... I'm also a British citizen. I hope I'll never have to use it, but I'd sooner leave the US than go die for the questionable ideals of some politician I didn't vote for and don't support.

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-What
 
hahaha there will never be another draft

'My arm hurts, I think I had a Stroke'

-Some girl in my school

'At least my boy friend didnt finger my ass hole with strawberry shampoo'

- Words siad durring a Bitch fight

'Bagger my ass, its probley just Mill House'

- Homer Simpson

'Is it makeing love when 5 migets spank a man covered in Thosand Island dressing'

-Tolken
 
1080plp, did u even read that

'hey can i have a butload of cash?... NO'

Johnny d in the cribs segment of 1242

 
If there is gonna be a draft, I will be the first one to dodge it! (unless I think the cause is just and in this cause it is not)

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Boycott Ipod!
 
I am calling bullshit. That is the biggest load of crap. i remember that there was a radio show here in Utah on Sunday nights that was called Ground Zero (way before 9/11 and had no connection whatsoever) and it was all about how UFO's aliens and ghosts were all real and stuff. It was entertaining and everything, but it was all bullshit. That is what this 'hot off the press' thing is. There is no real credibility.

 
I hope it's bullshit... but you have to keep in mind that from inside the US, we tend to view our military as invincible. In reality, we currently have less reserve troops than you might think. If we keep throwing ourselves into things like Afghanistan and Iraq, soon we'll need a draft to avoid spreading our military forces dangerously thin.

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-What
 
Puhleeeeeze! Itsabackflip's got it right! Why would we need a draft when we have suffered very low causulties. This is total BS.

By the way drafts do occur in peace time. Every male in Switzerland and every male and FEMALE in Isreal is required to serve a term in the military. It's not really a bad thing - maybe some of you pachouli wearing p*ssies on this site would grow a pair of balls with a little military training.

 
fuck america. i read it all and although scary i dont think it would be possible for them. a. we suffered few caussialtiys per ratio of soldiers b. we got the dictator so no more powerful ruler. c. there is absolutly no even considerable cause other than bush being a physcho redneck who deserves to die. if such a thing would happen i would hope the president or whoever behind that would be shot.

 
I think the draft should include women right off the bat, and they should be required to be on the front line and do all that other stuff men are required to. If we want equal rights we should get them, right down to the nitty-gritty. I sure don't want to be drafted, but if it comes to that I will do it for my country.

-Caitie-

'Have nothing to do with stupid and senseless controversies; you know that they breed quarrels' -2 Tim 2:23
 
I think the draft should include women right off the bat, and they should be required to be on the front line and do all that other stuff men are required to. If we want equal rights we should get them, right down to the nitty-gritty. I sure don't want to be drafted, but if it comes to that I will do it for my country.

-Caitie-

'Have nothing to do with stupid and senseless controversies; you know that they breed quarrels' -2 Tim 2:23
 
i, for one, am stoked, this could be the return of the age of acid and rampant drug use all over again, bring back the 60s

Fuck You
 
Just being the devils advocate: If there was mandatory millitary service today, would the U.S. be in Iraq?

The American lower class have been abused too long. Nobody could hide in college in this case... daddy's deep pockets won't be able to protect the upper class anymore.

^That'll make voters think before they strike off an x next to a war mongering candidate.

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'If it looks like there's gonna be a draft, I'll be the first in line for enlistment'.

Big words...from someone who's obviously not into backing them up. How do I know? Someone who really means that would enlist VOLUNTARILY, right now without a draft, as opposed to just going along with an arbitrary draft.

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SKIER: How would you describe your style?

PJ Cliche: Total skate influence. Even doh dis is on concrete, an you are face sideways, an it has sweet fuck all to do with ski, skate 'as play a huge role wit my steeze.
 
oh fuck me

I was born on planet earth

a rotating ball where man comes first. it's been around, for a long long time

now it's time to watch it die.
 
http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html

That was the selective service link in the article. There's a crapload of information and goals on that page, but I did read through it. Just from that page I don't see anything out of the ordinary that makes me think of a draft. What I do recognize is that the SSS is just getting continuing funs to operate. When I turned 18 I had to register with the SSS like everyone is supposed to do. One of the main goals is to get a higher compliance rate, and this money is going to find better ways to do it. One method proposed was to make registration with the SSS a requirement to get your license. This money provides training for area directors and highschool representatives for the SSS (these already exist currently). The only mention of a lottery was just a prototype. Basically come up with a system and test out its viability, not an ACTUAL lottery.

 
I know that there won't be a draft because the last draft during the vietnam was a disater they got a bunch of morons in the Military that destroyed the old Army. Atleast if there was a draft I would not have to go threw BT because I'm already in the national guards. You guys should know if they do have a draft you better be nice to the Drill instuctors because they will be able to hit you and cuss at you again.

Let's face it, no one posts anything serious on NS, and even if I wanted to, it would be answered by some not-so-clever variation of the following:

'You're gay', 'you suck', 'I fucked your mom last night', 'Eat shit', 'fuck you', or my favourite, 'I'm a better skier than you'. Jib_This

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You guys are all pussies that were like 'I would never fight for a Bush war' and especially the guy who called Bush a shit slurping tyrant or whatever. Fuck you. You are all really willing to enjoy this country where there are hundreds of millions willing to risk their lives JUST TO GET here, and all you guys do is bitch about how 'the US is screwing up everyone else' in the world. You all really need to live somewhere that isnt america (canada, australia, and western europe dont count) and see how life really could be and then how much worse it would be if the US wouldnt intervene when needed. Learn to respect. You dont have a clue. You dont have to love everything that a president does to show him respect. I rarely agreed with Clinton, but I still respected him for the office that he held. End of story.

 
plenty of countries can enjoy life without wars^. i would never fight in a war bush got us into. ever

w.m.h
 
^ True true true ummmm my dad had some friends just return from Iraq and they all said it is a sad site, my dad is off to Iraq no later than April 15th and is going to be gone for up to two years. If I didn't have to finish school I would have to go. You all need to go to a thrid world country and spend some time there seeing how it is to have no freedom, but I guess you guys are so self center It would not effect you at all.

Let's face it, no one posts anything serious on NS, and even if I wanted to, it would be answered by some not-so-clever variation of the following:

'You're gay', 'you suck', 'I fucked your mom last night', 'Eat shit', 'fuck you', or my favourite, 'I'm a better skier than you'. Jib_This

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WE KILL YOU

Im Jake Rodriguez Bitch

 
well im only 12 so i dont have to worry about it

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holy fuck.

I like my women, like i like my coffee. Grinded up and put in the freezer.

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dont be alarmed, i doubt highly any of this shit is true and i turn 18 in spring 2005 so im fucked

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Yeah it's true.. I heard the Bush administration now controls 80% of the worlds magic.

 
yeah, june 15th 2005, is a week after i graduate high school, yay!

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conscientious objector....yup yup i cant be drafted...well im also a girl, but thats beside the point

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-mariah
 
the united states sucks period, were what? less than 20% of the worlds population and we use almost 40% of the resources, we may be the worlds foremost superpower but were a bunch of fucks, i really believe all the countries in the world should side against us and take over, but even then wed still kick all their asses, and as for people risking their lives to get to this country coming here for the american dream, if they only knew, they would be kissing their dictators feet right now

Fuck You
 
First off Ds that might be the dumbest post i have ever seen if its so bad why dont you get out of the US and kiss the feet of some of those dictators making 30 cents a day and living in a pile of your own shit...Becuz you dont know how good you have it! Yea I agree Americans are wasteful bastards but we also do more shit for the world than any one else so shut the fuck up

And there isnt goin to be a draft thats stupid to even think!!

But you dont have to take my word for it!!
 
'why dont you get out of the US and kiss the feet of some of those dictators making 30 cents a day and living in a pile of your own shit...Becuz you dont know how good you have it!'

first, did that make any sense at all? and second, i know how good we have it, we have it too good

Fuck You
 
i would enlist before the draft started picking. so i oculd pick a job. rather then be sent to fight infantry.

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dude...even if you enlist and get a job your going to be in the shit. become an officer and get a job, then it might be different.

 
im fuckin ready for the draft........bout time we all started serving our great country......... hopefully i can do army rangers

handicaped skiing

is so hot right now.

finger old truckers for beer then sell the beer- lateralis

I have seen a jogger with one, i was high when i saw him and for the first couple of seconds i thought he was really a fucking alien(on the oakley medusa hats)

 
damn straight. people dont realize that others have died so that we can have the freedoms we have today. time to own up.

 
thats a ridiculous thing to say...you have to realize that some things are worth fighting for. im completely against the use of violence as a first choice, but sometimes it is necessary, examples: civil war or WWII. but at other times i would not feel that i was serving my country, i would feel that i was serving my president. there is a crucial difference and so honestly every time a war is fought it is not necessarily fought for freedoms and those that were were justified and today they are respected. there is a difference, you cannot make generalizations like that, its impossible

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-mariah
 
SU pilot got his shit right......... who cares who the pres is....its our duty as americans to defend out country ......even if we disagree who our commander in chief is .......... people are dying today and sacrificing their lives to fight for our freedoms and rights and the least yall can do is awknowledge that and have respect for the ppl over there. they dont even know you but theyre risking their lives to protect the freedoms of over 200 million anonymous strangers........ and dont think theyre war junkies or something because theyre there doing it...... i think theyd much rather be with their loved ones but their riskin it all in the shitty streets of baghdad helping a country rebuild and make a better place for iraqis to live. everyone can have their own ideas on shit like that but yall all need to have some respect for the men and women in our nations armed forces

handicaped skiing

is so hot right now.

finger old truckers for beer then sell the beer- lateralis

I have seen a jogger with one, i was high when i saw him and for the first couple of seconds i thought he was really a fucking alien(on the oakley medusa hats)

 
no doubt i have respect for the SOLDIERS. but i have no respect for bush, and his fucking war antics. all he is doing is putting our soldiers and our country into danger. hes a selfish fuck. there is no way, no way that people should be behind this war.. we even admited we were wrong about the weapons of mass destruction.

w.m.h
 
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