Double backflips

[Misfitmonkey]

Yo how slash where did you guys send or learn your first double backflip. My locals jumps are to small. I was thinking of going to a park and building a boooter, or waiting until i go to mounrt snow in feb. But curious as to where yall think i should send it

I can do double backflips on trampoline, and i can do backflips very easy on skis

 

[hegleezy]

I can’t even backflip but I can imagine you would want to send it into some soft snow, spring conditions at least.

First attempt on an east coast booter sounds pretty high risk.

 

[theabortionator]

Any parks near you with bigger well built jumps? Something 35+ for sure. 45-50 is better. Nice to have time to layout the second.

 

[Misfitmonkey]

Any parks near you with bigger well built jumps? Something 35+ for sure. 45-50 is better. Nice to have time to layout the second.

nah, biggest jump we have is like a small 30 to 35 max

but i am going to carinthia parks in febuary, and they usually have every size jump up to 75

 

[ev.grover]

tried them the first time this weekend, got it second day of trying. First try I snapped my ski, but landed it on i think 8th try on some older skis. Big thing for me was just finding the right jump that has a steep lip so rotations are easier. Would def suggest doing it to soft snow or powder if you can.

 

[ev.grover]

biggest part is willing to commit like all tricks, just flip and tuck hard and you will get them

 

[Misfitmonkey]

tried them the first time this weekend, got it second day of trying. First try I snapped my ski, but landed it on i think 8th try on some older skis. Big thing for me was just finding the right jump that has a steep lip so rotations are easier. Would def suggest doing it to soft snow or powder if you can.

dang, what skis where they

what type of jump did you send them on

 

[theabortionator]

nah, biggest jump we have is like a small 30 to 35 max

but i am going to carinthia parks in febuary, and they usually have every size jump up to 75

Mt snow is a good spot. The gulch and inferno def get big enough for dubs

 

[ev.grover]

dang, what skis where they

what type of jump did you send them on

volkl revolt 104. I can send vids to u so u get an idea on this size and stuff

 

[Misfitmonkey]

volkl revolt 104. I can send vids to u so u get an idea on this size and stuff

that'd be awsome

my main fears are just snapping my skis (im broke)

landing on my face

overotating

I know for a fact i will not land on my head, as last year i overotated a backie to my neck on a15 foot jump, and i didn't tuck As hard as i could have

 

[ev.grover]

that'd be awsome

my main fears are just snapping my skis (im broke)

landing on my face

overotating

I know for a fact i will not land on my head, as last year i overotated a backie to my neck on a15 foot jump, and i didn't tuck As hard as i could have

landed on my face the first time haha wasnt as bad as you think but it was into some deep pow.

[video]https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1062135/44e67fdff94b427c8ec5b3a285ff2124-2-MOV[/video]

[video]https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1062136/b7632373c965462da1dc18bb1ebb0ed2-2-MOV[/video]

[video]https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1062137/e8b1076241884fb9be6c1ea9dc0318ea-MOV[/video]

[video]https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1062138/IMG-0996-2-MOV[/video]heres the vids, first two were I think the first and second try. Snaped my ski first try and then tried again with a broken ski haha. Jump was really too small and I shouldnt have been trying it but whatever. The third and fourth and the same jump from two angles so hopefully itll help with the sizing of a jump for u

edit: first and fourth one are the same jump, second and third are on the too small jump that snapped my skis

**This post was edited on Jan 23rd 2023 at 10:24:47pm

 

[Misfitmonkey]

landed on my face the first time haha wasnt as bad as you think but it was into some deep pow.

[video]https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1062135/44e67fdff94b427c8ec5b3a285ff2124-2-MOV[/video]

[video]https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1062136/b7632373c965462da1dc18bb1ebb0ed2-2-MOV[/video]

[video]https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1062137/e8b1076241884fb9be6c1ea9dc0318ea-MOV[/video]

[video]https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1062138/IMG-0996-2-MOV[/video]heres the vids, first two were I think the first and second try. Snaped my ski first try and then tried again with a broken ski haha. Jump was really too small and I shouldnt have been trying it but whatever. The third and fourth and the same jump from two angles so hopefully itll help with the sizing of a jump for u

edit: first and fourth one are the same jump, second and third are on the too small jump that snapped my skis

**This post was edited on Jan 23rd 2023 at 10:24:47pm

thats sick

I was thinking of building a slimilar sized booter, and sending it at a local park of mine, as there is a long hill into a slight flat into a steep landing.

but we still have no snow on the ground and its the end of january soo....

All our snow usually melts end of febuary too, so i might only get a day or two to try to build one big enough

 

[ev.grover]

thats sick

I was thinking of building a slimilar sized booter, and sending it at a local park of mine, as there is a long hill into a slight flat into a steep landing.

but we still have no snow on the ground and its the end of january soo....

All our snow usually melts end of febuary too, so i might only get a day or two to try to build one big enough

yea man send it, i reccomend without poles to get the tuck all dialed in and then go try with poles after u land it or get more comfortable, just make sure you got a steep lip or a big jump and you got them fs

 

[dwt802]

Mt snow is a good spot. The gulch and inferno def get big enough for dubs

Not as of the last few vails years I don’t believe, didn’t they stop building inferno?

 

[theabortionator]

Not as of the last few vails years I don’t believe, didn’t they stop building inferno?

Probably. Idk. Fuck vail. The gulch has gotten up to 45 or 50 at least back in the day.inferno was sick but never that many people riding it. Especially with the gulch next to it I get it.

 

[Hof]

How necessary is it to have doubles down on a trampoline or could u just go for it on a powder day?

I always thought I should definitley learn on trampoline first, but my mate managed to land a dub backflip first time on a park kicker having never even tried it on a trampoline

**This post was edited on Jan 24th 2023 at 6:45:01am

 

[theabortionator]

I can’t even backflip but I can imagine you would want to send it into some soft snow, spring conditions at least.

First attempt on an east coast booter sounds pretty high risk.

Not really. If you can do backflips you can do one for sure. Especially having dubs on trampoline etc. Honestly flipping a park jump is safer than flipping a shitty pow jump. People get too hung up on the pow vs park debate imo. A good jump is what you want. Also not every day on the east coast is brick. Plenty of softer days. Doesn't need to be pow.

 

[SofaKingSick]

landed on my face the first time haha wasnt as bad as you think but it was into some deep pow.

(re: last video) HYYYYYYYYYYYPE

 

[IsaacNW82]

How necessary is it to have doubles down on a trampoline or could u just go for it on a powder day?

I always thought I should definitley learn on trampoline first, but my mate managed to land a dub backflip first time on a park kicker having never even tried it on a trampoline

**This post was edited on Jan 24th 2023 at 6:45:01am

I've had dub backies for a few years now and have yet to do one on a trampoline. I did send them first into the foam pit jumps at woodward copper, which helped me personally though.

I think its a good idea to do it in a safer environment first, but plenty have done it without. Its kinda hard to say who needs what because its the air awareness and commitment that you really need, so I guess do you feel comfortable backflipping, and can you visualize tucking for another and spotting it?

 

[IsaacNW82]

Not really. If you can do backflips you can do one for sure. Especially having dubs on trampoline etc. Honestly flipping a park jump is safer than flipping a shitty pow jump. People get too hung up on the pow vs park debate imo. A good jump is what you want. Also not every day on the east coast is brick. Plenty of softer days. Doesn't need to be pow.

I guess it depends on what you mean by "shitty pow jump", but I disagree. I've wrecked way harder doing single backys on park jumps than dubs into pow, but I'm super picky about pow jumps and only really send hard it on really good ones that I've put work into

 

[LOOK_at_me]

go to loon.

 

[theabortionator]

I guess it depends on what you mean by "shitty pow jump", but I disagree. I've wrecked way harder doing single backys on park jumps than dubs into pow, but I'm super picky about pow jumps and only really send hard it on really good ones that I've put work into

I mean, you can wreck yourself on anything. If you're good at backflips, and thinking of doing a dub probably should be able to do it on a park jump.

Sure a great jump into pow is fun. That takes the roght place(a lot of people on the east coast don't have) the right snow(we're talking the east coast) and timing.

A lot of people would rather send something off a shitty pow jump because they think the pow makes it safer. A better built park jump and some consistency is better imo.

If he was trying his first flip with no idea what he was doing maybe. But if you have backflips locked. You have dubs on the tramp, you can send a dub on a park jump. Consistent feel, speed, and the right airtime matter more than how soft the landing is.

As far as wrecking more, how much are you talking? How much more do you hit park jumps than pow jumps.

All I was saying is that people are too scared of a perfectly good park jump and many times would rather throw it on a shitty pow jump. Yes shitty. A lot of videos of shitty pow jump flips. Cool. You found the best pow jump. Most people don't. Thats all I was saying.

Generally if you're wrecking much at all on singles you probably shouldn't be thinking of dubs anyway.

 

[Knapzach]

Hit up Chris Groovy

 

[theabortionator]

Hit up Chris Groovy

True!

 

[LOOK_at_me]

 

[IsaacNW82]

[tag=276218]@ev.grover[/tag] is giving great advice here, just wanted to expand on this a little bc I built the jump he was hitting (and hit it with him of course) so people can get a better idea of the jump. I'll just stick to pow jump advice bc I've never hit a double on a park jump, all I can say or certain is crashing in pow hurts less.



Its probably bigger than it looks in those videos, maybe 10-12ft tall bottom to lip, then it steps up 2ft or so to the top of the landing, and to the sweet spot in the landing was probably close to a true table. It was tricky to get the airtime to dub without landing in that cat track you see in the last video, so we built it very steep, steeper than I've done before for doubles, maybe 45-50 degrees which straight up looks near vertical when when you hit it. We spent a TON of time making sure the curve was super consistent, its basically a constant radius from the bottom to the lip, this helps you get a nice controlled set. Definitely kicky, but not so much that you would get bucked or struggle to control your set.

[video]https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1062180/GH010772-MP4[/video]

The landing started out amazing but got more and more packed as we sessioned it, but because the jump set you more up than out, a nice steep landing, and had very little step down, crashing on it was never really bad at all. I'd definitely recommend a jump like this bc it's likely you will bomb the shit out of your landing.

I think most people need more air time than they think to land their first double. My rule of thumb is a jump big enough that you have to intentionally set very slow to float a single backflip. If your test hit is a laid out backy and you over rotate and land on your back, its perfect.

Hope this helps!

 

[Farmville420]

Not as of the last few vails years I don’t believe, didn’t they stop building inferno?

That was moreso because of the lack of snow. Last Feb they closed nitro to blow snow, this year it seems they’ve got the hands and funding to build inferno, just need another 5 feet of natural snow or something

 

[ev.grover]

[tag=248442]@IsaacNW82[/tag] thanks for helping me landing it haha funny to see you on here. All the advice he gave definitely will help you for the first time

 

[IsaacNW82]

I mean, you can wreck yourself on anything. If you're good at backflips, and thinking of doing a dub probably should be able to do it on a park jump.

Sure a great jump into pow is fun. That takes the roght place(a lot of people on the east coast don't have) the right snow(we're talking the east coast) and timing.

A lot of people would rather send something off a shitty pow jump because they think the pow makes it safer. A better built park jump and some consistency is better imo.

If he was trying his first flip with no idea what he was doing maybe. But if you have backflips locked. You have dubs on the tramp, you can send a dub on a park jump. Consistent feel, speed, and the right airtime matter more than how soft the landing is.

As far as wrecking more, how much are you talking? How much more do you hit park jumps than pow jumps.

All I was saying is that people are too scared of a perfectly good park jump and many times would rather throw it on a shitty pow jump. Yes shitty. A lot of videos of shitty pow jump flips. Cool. You found the best pow jump. Most people don't. Thats all I was saying.

Generally if you're wrecking much at all on singles you probably shouldn't be thinking of dubs anyway.

I mean, I get what you are saying but powder landings are just safer generally. I know two people personally who have been hospitalized on park jumps, one trying his first backflip, the other trying a double flat 7, nobody I know has been seriously hurt jumping into powder. I've had more bad crashes over the years on park jumps than powder (although I haven't been hurt bad seriously for either), and I mostly ski powder jumps. Anecdotes, I know, but I really do 100% believe powder is safer, even if its harder to actually land the trick.

I'm not saying don't do a double on a park jump, not at all. You gotta work with what you have, I know that, I lived on the east coast until I was 23. I'm just saying that powder is safer, which I'm fully confident in.

 

[theabortionator]

I mean, I get what you are saying but powder landings are just safer generally. I know two people personally who have been hospitalized on park jumps, one trying his first backflip, the other trying a double flat 7, nobody I know has been seriously hurt jumping into powder. I've had more bad crashes over the years on park jumps than powder (although I haven't been hurt bad seriously for either), and I mostly ski powder jumps. Anecdotes, I know, but I really do 100% believe powder is safer, even if its harder to actually land the trick.

I'm not saying don't do a double on a park jump, not at all. You gotta work with what you have, I know that, I lived on the east coast until I was 23. I'm just saying that powder is safer, which I'm fully confident in.

First, forst backflip isn't relevant. OP says hes has them dialed on skis. I mentioned first backies in that anyway though.

Dub cork? Sometimes people get hurt trying those, more people try them on park jumps. If you throw it weird or lose where your at you can fuck yourself up. Obviously park is less soft than powder. On a good jump n a double backflip the chances are better of landing it. Sure a good pow lip is great, a lot of people chucking in pow have pretty beat jumps that make it harder imo, also OP is on the east coast again. No deep pow windlips in some bowl to tour to.

People def fuck themselves up in powder.

Not everyone has a foam pit, not everyone has a big pow lip. Honestly if you have singles dialed, and dubs dialed on the tramp, the right jump you're prolly gonna stomp it.

As far as the advice about overrotating singles before theowing a dub. I'd say prolly get better at landing singles. If you can't slow yourself down on a single it's going to be tougher on a dub. We're not talking fosm pit where you yolo until you go it. Even in pow a 1.5 is bad news.

Idk, there's no point in arguing anymore. The "you need to learn it in powder" people are always around. I get it but if OP has them dialedin his sleep on skis, has dubs on the tramp, has the right jump, and knows the feel. There's no reason he won't bring it to his feet.

 

[IsaacNW82]

First, forst backflip isn't relevant. OP says hes has them dialed on skis. I mentioned first backies in that anyway though.

Dub cork? Sometimes people get hurt trying those, more people try them on park jumps. If you throw it weird or lose where your at you can fuck yourself up. Obviously park is less soft than powder. On a good jump n a double backflip the chances are better of landing it. Sure a good pow lip is great, a lot of people chucking in pow have pretty beat jumps that make it harder imo, also OP is on the east coast again. No deep pow windlips in some bowl to tour to.

People def fuck themselves up in powder.

Not everyone has a foam pit, not everyone has a big pow lip. Honestly if you have singles dialed, and dubs dialed on the tramp, the right jump you're prolly gonna stomp it.

As far as the advice about overrotating singles before theowing a dub. I'd say prolly get better at landing singles. If you can't slow yourself down on a single it's going to be tougher on a dub. We're not talking fosm pit where you yolo until you go it. Even in pow a 1.5 is bad news.

Idk, there's no point in arguing anymore. The "you need to learn it in powder" people are always around. I get it but if OP has them dialedin his sleep on skis, has dubs on the tramp, has the right jump, and knows the feel. There's no reason he won't bring it to his feet.

I think you're misinterpreting what I'm trying to say man, and maybe that's my bad for not being clear. Just general experience, honestly not even talking about OP at this point. I know not everyone lives somewhere they can make a good jump, I was like that for most of my life, and it seems like OP is probably fine to send this on a big park jump he feels comfortable on and I'm not trying to discourage that.

I want to address this specifically because I think I phrased this poorly:

"As far as the advice about overrotating singles before theowing a dub. I'd say prolly get better at landing singles. If you can't slow yourself down on a single it's going to be tougher on a dub. We're not talking fosm pit where you yolo until you go it. Even in pow a 1.5 is bad news."

I totally agree, I said that poorly and that's not really what I meant. I'm not saying your goal is to overrate a single, it was just giving an idea of how much airtime you need and in hindsight that message just wasn't clear. Yes you absolutely should be comfortable enough with singles to be stomping them pretty much anytime, and you should have the skill to slow down the set.

Actually what I tell people in person is the number one most important thing is that they have the air awareness to make that split second call whether to wrap for two, or unwrap and backslap when they spot after the first flip, because you should never do a 1.5 and land on your head.

I'm absolutely not a "you need to learn it in powder" guy, I'm a "this is how I did it so I can tell you you about what worked for me" type of guy, I have not once said that you need to do it in powder and I won't.

 

[Misfitmonkey]

[tag=276218]@ev.grover[/tag] is giving great advice here, just wanted to expand on this a little bc I built the jump he was hitting (and hit it with him of course) so people can get a better idea of the jump. I'll just stick to pow jump advice bc I've never hit a double on a park jump, all I can say or certain is crashing in pow hurts less.

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Its probably bigger than it looks in those videos, maybe 10-12ft tall bottom to lip, then it steps up 2ft or so to the top of the landing, and to the sweet spot in the landing was probably close to a true table. It was tricky to get the airtime to dub without landing in that cat track you see in the last video, so we built it very steep, steeper than I've done before for doubles, maybe 45-50 degrees which straight up looks near vertical when when you hit it. We spent a TON of time making sure the curve was super consistent, its basically a constant radius from the bottom to the lip, this helps you get a nice controlled set. Definitely kicky, but not so much that you would get bucked or struggle to control your set.

[video]https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1062180/GH010772-MP4[/video]

The landing started out amazing but got more and more packed as we sessioned it, but because the jump set you more up than out, a nice steep landing, and had very little step down, crashing on it was never really bad at all. I'd definitely recommend a jump like this bc it's likely you will bomb the shit out of your landing.

I think most people need more air time than they think to land their first double. My rule of thumb is a jump big enough that you have to intentionally set very slow to float a single backflip. If your test hit is a laid out backy and you over rotate and land on your back, its perfect.

Hope this helps!

The big booter at the ski resort i ski at, i have seen 2 people do dubs on it, and its only like 30 feet max, it looks like you have to huck it pretty hard.

If we get a snow day and im feeling it i might just send one on that.

Im only scared of catching my tips and breaking my skis, I know i wont land on my head if i have already done a backie on the jump, and can asses if i have enough room or not for another.

I just dont want to break my skis, or land on stomach after catching tips

 

[Farmville420]

First, forst backflip isn't relevant. OP says hes has them dialed on skis. I mentioned first backies in that anyway though.

Dub cork? Sometimes people get hurt trying those, more people try them on park jumps. If you throw it weird or lose where your at you can fuck yourself up. Obviously park is less soft than powder. On a good jump n a double backflip the chances are better of landing it. Sure a good pow lip is great, a lot of people chucking in pow have pretty beat jumps that make it harder imo, also OP is on the east coast again. No deep pow windlips in some bowl to tour to.

People def fuck themselves up in powder.

Not everyone has a foam pit, not everyone has a big pow lip. Honestly if you have singles dialed, and dubs dialed on the tramp, the right jump you're prolly gonna stomp it.

As far as the advice about overrotating singles before theowing a dub. I'd say prolly get better at landing singles. If you can't slow yourself down on a single it's going to be tougher on a dub. We're not talking fosm pit where you yolo until you go it. Even in pow a 1.5 is bad news.

Idk, there's no point in arguing anymore. The "you need to learn it in powder" people are always around. I get it but if OP has them dialedin his sleep on skis, has dubs on the tramp, has the right jump, and knows the feel. There's no reason he won't bring it to his feet.

Hard agree. It’s understated how impossible tricks are to land in powder. Park tricks I have super dialed like rodeos and misties I physically can not ride away from in pow. It doesn’t hurt at all when u fall, but it’s real tough to land anything, requires so much strength and skill

 

[IsaacNW82]

The big booter at the ski resort i ski at, i have seen 2 people do dubs on it, and its only like 30 feet max, it looks like you have to huck it pretty hard.

If we get a snow day and im feeling it i might just send one on that.

Im only scared of catching my tips and breaking my skis, I know i wont land on my head if i have already done a backie on the jump, and can asses if i have enough room or not for another.

I just dont want to break my skis, or land on stomach after catching tips

If you know those people or see them around frequently, for sure just ask them how it went, how hard they had to set, etc. They'd know better than anyone for that jump.

I wouldn't sweat breaking your skis too much. It would suck, but doubles are a big trick and shit can happen, your priority really should be your own health

 

[Misfitmonkey]

If you know those people or see them around frequently, for sure just ask them how it went, how hard they had to set, etc. They'd know better than anyone for that jump.

I wouldn't sweat breaking your skis too much. It would suck, but doubles are a big trick and shit can happen, your priority really should be your own health

if my skis break im done skiing

My personal health im not to worried about, i think i will get the rotation around

and i dont know who the people are

I guess if its big enough, and not icy, i will send it

 

[AlexFogo85]

go to loon.

If you're on the east coast loon is definitely a good spot to try them. I rip there most weekends and their bottom jump line definitely has enough space - planning on giving dub flat or dub back a shot myself on one of them in the next few weeks.

I tried dub flat in Gulch a few years back and felt like I would've got them if I had enough speed (tried it on a super slushy day) but I've never done it on a tramp and still felt like I had built up enough air awareness through skiing to be comfortable trying it. I think it's personal preference on how much prep you want to put into it but obviously, the more prep you put in, the lower the risk but wouldn't say having tramp experience is a hard requirement.

 

[thankagaper]

chads gap,

womens tee.

PM me, I will guide you to becoming an albatross.

 

[Misfitmonkey]

Guys I sent it and got it first t

I saw some snow boarders try dubs and fall, so without doing a single back flip first I just sent it

My goggles covered my face, and I could see anything after the first flip, I just guessed where to land

[video]https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1068099/VID-61600225-190424-818-mp4[/video]

 

[ev.grover]

Guys I sent it and got it first t

I saw some snow boarders try dubs and fall, so without doing a single back flip first I just sent it

My goggles covered my face, and I could see anything after the first flip, I just guessed where to land

[video]https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1068099/VID-61600225-190424-818-mp4[/video]

so hype!

 

[thankagaper]

!ALBATROSS STATUS!

Guys I sent it and got it first t

I saw some snow boarders try dubs and fall, so without doing a single back flip first I just sent it

My goggles covered my face, and I could see anything after the first flip, I just guessed where to land

[video]https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1068099/VID-61600225-190424-818-mp4[/video]

 

[mountaindewgirl]

Yo how slash where did you guys send or learn your first double backflip. My locals jumps are to small. I was thinking of going to a park and building a boooter, or waiting until i go to mounrt snow in feb. But curious as to where yall think i should send it

I can do double backflips on trampoline, and i can do backflips very easy on skis

In my kitchen with my skis on, doing the double backie standing

 

[SofaKingSick]

Guys I sent it and got it first t

I saw some snow boarders try dubs and fall, so without doing a single back flip first I just sent it

My goggles covered my face, and I could see anything after the first flip, I just guessed where to land

[video]https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1068099/VID-61600225-190424-818-mp4[/video]

fuckkkkkkk yeah dog

 

[Sivvy]