well this is the biggest thing, you DO NOT throw it harder. You just go far a backflip you know layed out, then just tuck a bitr out from the luip, I have some vids and pics in my media, check it out. tHOSE ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT KINDA OFF AXIS A TINY BIT, BUT SAME IDEA. so yeah you jsut need to remember to let the ground go by the first time, don't focus on e it