no jiberish is the only skiing brand. the rest are just progressive art experiments, or "companies" as some call them, geared to equipping the general public with garments that will sculpt the generally insipid visual landscape that surrounds all of us. It really doesnt matter if they are skiing companies or not because the art should carry its weight in any forum.
Both those sites are WACK!! Nothing shows. Would it be called a ski company if skiiers wore it. Because if so, a grip of skiiers wear both those brands equally. They are both ski orianted, but have more art in mind. Thats considered somewhat a ski company to me.