Don't Buy MSP

how do some of u guys know people from msp are monitoring this

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Pat

'The deep south? Isn't that the place where the black people are lazy and the white people are just as lazy, but they are mad at the black people for being lazy?'
 
Yes, Tim, Rage engages in similar douchebaggery. Thank you for pointing that out.

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In a haze

A stormy haze

I’ll be around

I’ll be loving you

Always

Always

Here I am

And I’ll take my time

Here I am

And I’ll wait in line

Always

Always...
 
most of the stuff i've skipped over.

bottom line, to me anyway, is that if MSP is using these kind of tactics in the filming industry (and i think i'll believe Levin over anyone else unless it's Winters himself, but after getting the gist of the L1P message, i don't think i'd believe him anyway) they're definately hurting an industry that they helped create. it's just stupid - why try to bump out smaller guys that are just trying to put out a good flick that they've probably poured their heart and fucking soul into to make? it'd be like O'Connell sabotaging all of Abbott's camera gear - it only pisses the other guy off and it's just no good for the industry as a whole since we're all here for the same thing, albeit some of us prefer one thing over another (jib vs. big mountain). sure it's a business, but MSP should realize that we're all in it for the same thing.

personally i've never really enjoyed MSPs movies anyway. i own SM2 and 3, but only because they were on sale. that and halfway through they pretty much put me to sleep.

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junkapparel... we make clothes.
 
MSP movies have their place. Yes they are no longer the new kids on the block, but their movies changed the face of skiing and we can't forget that - what long-term skibum didn't watch The Tribe and get blown away ? It was the movie that energised the whole freeskiing movement.

MSP movies aren't the most trendy and up to the minute, but what they do do is bridge the gap between the core and the masses. They also do this with the cleanest filming in the business. Slo-mos might be pretty uncool to your hardened jibbers out there but show the public a movie with one full speed trick after another and they'll quickly switch off.

Of course the core movies are essential to the advancement of the sport, and the fact there are so many movies out there is great and demonstrative of a healthy atmosphere of competition, but they will remain core and unappealing to the masses by their very nature.

I don't know the politics (if any of this crap is true) and frankly I don't care, what I do know is if there's one 'bigtime' production company representing our sport to the public then I'd rather it was MSP than Warren Miller.

I'll buy Yearbook, but then I'll also buy the latest from Poorboyz and Plehouse...

 
I've been buying ski movies since 13 came out. I have to say that PBP has never let me down. The only time I get critical about them is when they push back their release dates and they keep me in dispense. I understand how hard it is to put a movie together now after working with H30 over the summer. I don't hold that against them. It's sad that a company that recieves so much sponsership money (MSP) would stoop to the level of calling Helly Hansen and VAS and put down Poor Boyz. As long as I've been watching and experiencing the 'newschool' aspect of skiing I haven't seen a single person that was in the industry that wasn't trying to progress the sport. The actions taken by MSP is comparable to Transworld cancelling Freeze. That's now progressive. Trying to pay off athletes to not be in a paticular movie isnt progressive. It's sad. Eventually maybe our sport will evolve into team movies but their is a right and wrong way to do that. Plehouse's White Shine should be a good example of that as was Session 1242 with the Oakley athletes. Maybe MSP will respond in a positive way to this thread but then again maybe not.

H30 Films

www.h30films.net
 
yeah i cant wait until the team aspect of skiing blows up...white shine will no doubt kickstart a trend in this respect, and im calling that it will outdo session 1242 by a longshot.

white shine will be the best ski movie ever. period.

-Joel

~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~

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Dragons Lair

lanky steeze
 
uhhh no. d-structure, the best team in skiing.

-Joel

~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~

Capital City Rider

Dragons Lair

lanky steeze
 
If pep is on the team, it's news to me... but Iannick is. He's really putting a lot into it, too, according to him. He's already declared it his best segment ever, and it only exists in his mind...

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In a haze

A stormy haze

I’ll be around

I’ll be loving you

Always

Always

Here I am

And I’ll take my time

Here I am

And I’ll wait in line

Always

Always...
 
crichton, turpin, gagnier, poirier, auclair, boyz from quebec and a lot of people i forgot (d-structure movie)

stoneham rprsnt

 
Phil Belanger, Phil Larose, Phil Dion, Thomas Rinfret, JP Auclair, Philou Poirier, Iannick B, Charles Gagnier, David Crichton, JF Houle, Dominic Legare, Guillaume St. Cyr, Phil Casabon, Phil Warren, Kim Lamarre... Basically all the good Quebecers, plus DC.

-Joel

~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~

Capital City Rider

Dragons Lair

lanky steeze
 
...and Pep and Turpin. My bad.

-Joel

~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~

Capital City Rider

Dragons Lair

lanky steeze
 
^^^ Five-9

MSP DID RESPOND TO THIS THREAD, and it wasn't possitive. Steve Winter IS Huckandstomp (all though he is to weak to admit it) I'm pretty sure he's a few other screen names too... he called me names, and beat around the bush when I asked him very specific and pointed questions pertaining to the FACTS. He never answered my question. Although, after knowing what I know about him, I wouldn't expect anything less; it was a very behind the back and deceiving approach to spread miss-information.

True to form.

PS... Berman isn't Dishwalla, you shouldn't have had to call the two-plank kids to figure that one out. Josh is a few levels above going on the internet under an asumed identity.

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qualities solidity well finished after sale services (if broken, ..). so what do you think? out of one fact: armadas black and PINK is ugly and faggy!
 
i can't even believe that so many people in this thread think that MSP actually makes 'bad' movies. These movies still have some of the sickest skiers, the sickest locations, the sickest film quality, and for sure the sickest angles. And not to forget these guys have paved the way for every company, big and small, like myself, and we still need to appreciate that. Everyone, please stop saying that these movies suck! that is far from the truth. and thats all i gotta say, and will have to say in this long and wasteful forum thread

Two Plank Productions - www.twoplank.com- bensomrak@twoplank.com
 
i love how hunckandstomp (if he is steve winters or not) says in his post ' Come on, I´m not even using the f-word, and still I can manage to write a few smart words without annoying anyone.' yet, he manages to use the 'seriousity' earlier in his post. seriousity. its not even a real word. i just wanted to point that out.

 
two plank they didn't pave the way for shit... its quite the contrary, they are throwing up road blocks everywhere, low blow nasty ones. They are intentionaly making it dificult for others. Thats what this whole thread is about, what kind of movie they make has nothing to do with it.

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qualities solidity well finished after sale services (if broken, ..). so what do you think? out of one fact: armadas black and PINK is ugly and faggy!
 
And how many times do we have to say this isn't about the fucking movies.

Shut up with the movies please. This is about Matchstick Productions and the actions of the people behind it.

You're still herding swine as a profession -Anewmorning

Dont start with me...

Ill get drunk tonite and make posts that will make your eyes bleed -Lord_Piot

But, you can always fall back on your degree in... Communications! Oh, dear Lord!

I know! Is phony major. Lubchenko learn nothing. Nothing!

Our greatest glory consists not in never falling. But in rising every time we fall.

 
remember how someone at Two Plank Productions talked shit about MSP in one thread? And then hastily and akwardly apologized a very short while later?

I do.

Bahahaha... or, you could call it the 'elitist snob' cult. Anyways, my family already owns a country club, so no thanks.

J.D. May
 
^^Jibtech

It's a sad day when a big man like Steve Winter has to come onto a website under an anonymous name and talk shit. Sadly I guess all the sponsership money in the world can't buy you a good rep.

I don't care what company you are, how big or small, your reputation to your consumers is what's most important.

huckandstomp, why not step up to the plate and defend you and your company's reputation and answer Levin's questions.

H30 Films

www.h30films.net
 
wow if winter really is huckand stomp he's a bitch, just flat out denies working for a film company at all, and then when jibtech calls him out we dont here anything from him again

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Pat

'The deep south? Isn't that the place where the black people are lazy and the white people are just as lazy, but they are mad at the black people for being lazy?'
 
JD, I think Pep is a part owner now of D-Structure. Look in the new Freeze and there is an ad in there with him. I didnt know either...

Huckandstomp got called the fuck out. Thats funny.

 
everday messages are left concerning certain business manors and details. If this was to stop the business world as we know it would cease, thus creating no more skiing! If we would all stop the ranting and judging of people you may not even know, the ski 'industry' might just be able to survive and we wouldn't lose magazines, ski companys, film companys, ect. so just go out and support whoever you like and stop the negativity, instead talk about how much you like the video's instead of how much you don't.

till next time...leftside....

LEFTSIDE
 
This bandwagon is great, Next stop 'Core' sock companies, fruit of the loom is EVIL MASSIVE CORPORATION WITH NO SOUL. Core socks are really what is bringing this industry forward, don't buy socks that have a lot of funding behind them. Because remeber the smaller the company is the BETTER it is.

We pay our debt sometimes.
 
Fuck that. This has nothing to do with the size of a company and everything to do with common sense respect and business ethics, which have no relation to a companies' size, budget, etc.

I'm just wondering why Stevie Wonder and his band of cronies haven't taken it upon themselves to throw down a LEGIT response to this thread. Come on boys, I know you're sitting there in your office sipping your latés and laughing about this silly little thread. You might as well man up and defend yoursleves before another sponsor reads this and pulls out!

 
really I think the fact of the matter here is that the guys at msp seem to be sneaky. It's not that they don't make decent ski films, or that they arn't 100% jib. It's that they are sneaky little shits, according to all of this.

 
the only thing that ticks me off about this thread is how everyone is saying MSP makes a bad movie or a bad product, its so not true, the cinamatography and overall feel of the films are great, they have the equiptment to make sick movies and they do year after year, you cant deny the fact that with there resources and equiptment they make sick movies, please look at the subject at hand, which has nothing to do with the actual movies produced......

-Nick Iwanyshyn

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Jesus... when Phrosty is telling you your business ethics are too dirty, you KNOW you're an asshole.

And it seems odd to me that aside from Ice, everyone defending MSP seems to have fewer than 30 posts. Not that anyone down at MSP would waste their time making multiple user names so that it'd look like they have more people supporting them... Just making an observation...

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In a haze

A stormy haze

I’ll be around

I’ll be loving you

Always

Always

Here I am

And I’ll take my time

Here I am

And I’ll wait in line

Always

Always...
 
Ice-Is-Scary, shut up. Your so dumb. No one in this thread is ripping on TGR or WarrenMiller. They are both bigger than MSP, they just dont try and fuck over companies like PBP L1P and god knows who else...

 
to JD may, the reason i don't have over thousands of posts is because i spend my time skiing rather than trying to 'talk shit'. The only time i post is when i feel its right to post!

P.S. people posting on here are not who you think they are.

Till next time.

LEFTSIDE
 
I'm not talking shit, I'm reporting facts.

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qualities solidity well finished after sale services (if broken, ..). so what do you think? out of one fact: armadas black and PINK is ugly and faggy!
 
^^word.

This isn't bullshit people. We don't make this stuff up for kicks.

You're still herding swine as a profession -Anewmorning

Dont start with me...

Ill get drunk tonite and make posts that will make your eyes bleed -Lord_Piot

But, you can always fall back on your degree in... Communications! Oh, dear Lord!

I know! Is phony major. Lubchenko learn nothing. Nothing!

Our greatest glory consists not in never falling. But in rising every time we fall.

 
Fellow people OF NS , one thing most of you need ot DESPERATLY consider , open your mind to TRY and understand the points given here ok,

MSP's movies are not NOT NOT NOT NOT ... NOT GOOD at all , slow motion x 50 its fucking gay first of all ok.

second of all im sorry if you really like slow motion its wrong though , WRONG WRONG WRONG , not enjoyable ,

3rd of all Do you hoenstly want a movie company lke MSP that are definitly as caden stated ' throat slighting business bitches' this steve winters dude is a selfish ski industry ruiner, i just want you people to vision this in your heads ok try and understand. Big mountian skiing is good , its great , big mountian is awsome , SO is newschool, jibbing all that its all good guys , its skiign SKIING IS GOOD , MSP however is ruining it i want you people to see it. for those of you who asked whats wrong with tanners segement in yearbook , well you didint see his segment in dub ski, because that was a good segemnt, yearbook was the worst movie i have ever seen, MSP is a bitch company man , they called dub ski out on using top gun for cr first of all like a bunch of little brat babies then they try to get tanner to leave the dude he was producing wiht and produce with msp, man these peopel dont even care about skigin they care about money, why dont you people see this ?! its so obviouse these guys are fucking money suckers its all they care about. why do you want to support a selfish snitchy, 'throat slitting' company. like fuck guys , thinking baout this is makign me wantto slit my own throat jesus, the company is WACK , i dont understand why L1P isnt fucking rich, their movies are always the best consecutavily every year , and somehwo no one manages to get out and by the movie because people like yourselves are too dumb to realize that msp does not make good movies, dman it buy fucking CORE companies=good skiing , i thoguth thtas hwta it was about , good skiign good shots , good angles , good msuic , fuckign GOOD movie , MSP is NOT providing good ski movies , WHY IN THE NAME OF FUCKING GOD SAKES ARE YOU BUYING MATCH STICK PRODUCTION MOVIES!?!?!?!?!? TEHY ARE BAD. fuck. please think about this INTENSILY.

*****-CCR-*****
 
by saying don't watch msp your saying something like'letgs not buy salomon ever again...and taking away another creative mind from the industry....watch what u want...i like msp shit....

 
okay, i don't know how many people are still reading this thread, but i'll go ahead and try to make a point THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYONE ELSE MAKE yet.

its not brilliant its not insighful, but here:

there is the argument concerning ethics: various people have criticized msp over their stratagies, however some of you qualifiy this as a non-issue because its business and people in business should expect and arise to the occassion of competition.

HOWEVER, what ALL OF YOU SAYING THIS are refusing to address in this parallel (most likely to big business), is that the subject matter of the topic, is skiing.

i mean this specifically in that in most cases, drawing a parallel between a ski movie company (or filmmaker)and that of a ceo, isn't logical because it isn't accurately analagous. i say this because, big businesses are far more concerned with money than their product - don't read this and gloss over it, stop for a minute and really fucking realize this. the point being, that filmmakers are working with a product that they (i would assume), genuinely care about and love. more important than just skiing in general, that they care about the skiing 'scene' or 'the progression of skiing' literally.

if you fucking care about something that you hold so closely to yourself, because you spent years skiing yourself, than its absolutely absurd that you would do something like this (what msp has allegedly done) to skiing, its pro skiers, its amateurs and people like me who get so much out of watching and doing the sport.

massive telecom ceos and walstreet sharks can kick each other in the nuts all they want for all i care, because they don't love stocks, or the product that telecom service is, they just care about the money they make and the affluent privileges that derive from it.

filmmakers however, should be skiing enthusiasts and more importantly, absolutely MUST see that skiing although on a strong rise, is still in its infancy and in much need of being nurtured if its going to become a well respected sport by EVERYBODY.

if msp is guilty of what we've read, then we as skiers have right to be furious with them. because, if you think that newschool skiing is beyond its foundation then you're a fool. guys like steve winter are fucking around and tampering with the foundation of what we want newschool skiing to become.

my point is, ski films may be business, but skiing isn't - because people love it.

jackson sucks. tell your friends.

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Thank you Ian.

You're still herding swine as a profession -Anewmorning

Dont start with me...

Ill get drunk tonite and make posts that will make your eyes bleed -Lord_Piot

But, you can always fall back on your degree in... Communications! Oh, dear Lord!

I know! Is phony major. Lubchenko learn nothing. Nothing!

Our greatest glory consists not in never falling. But in rising every time we fall.

 
I can't believe this is still going. Jesus Christ.

'Say what you will about the tenets of modern socialism, at least its an ethos' -Walter Sojezch, The Big Lebowski
 
I don't agree with some of the stuff Dfresh said, like Lvel1 has some of the best big mountain out there too. Throwin' corked 7's and fives off of cliffs doesn't make you a good big mountain skiing, doing 1 cliff is like hitting a jump, it's the same idea anyways. Big Mountain involves turning and shit to make it technical, look at what Hugo does, that is true Big Mountain skiers.

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