Don't Buy MSP

^so its cool for everyone to knock msp movies, but as soon as someone goes against L1, its wrong? think about that hypocracy for a second.

i for one am not a huge fan of msp, but dont have any problems with the way they run their business

 
^bingo, said it 2 pages ago. It makes me laugh though.

'I own all the pbp films starting back with happy dayz. I would say this forsure is my least favorite.' -lineroyalarmy
 
im tired of hearing everyone ragging on L1P for using digital, yes film is better for big mountain, and hopefully as L1P grows that will happen. However i dont know about u guys but wouldnt u rather watch a switch 450 on to 270 out, or an urban s-rail or a double kink urban c rail, than something like a flat down box to switch off in perfect quality because they could only hit it once on 16mm, because the reality is it takes way to many attempts to stick a truly progressive rail shot for it to ever be worthwile using film.

 
im not rich enough to have a hdtv or projection tv so i really dont notice that much difference between digi and 16mm. so for u rich whiners, y don't u get daddy to pay shitloads so u can start ur own 16mm company, which will suck ass because u cant even stick a straight rail without a servant to bring u some flan and tea on the way. and while u do that ill be working hard so i can actually afford to ski

 
^^fair enough i tried to keep it a bit unbaised but i slipped a little of my own opinion in there watch whatever u want, im not a fan of msp for my own reasons but whatever thats just me

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Pat

'The deep south? Isn't that the place where the black people are lazy and the white people are just as lazy, but they are mad at the black people for being lazy?'
 
I said this once and I'm going to say it again. The issue at hand here is not whether or not anyone likes MSP's movies or Level 1's movies. I don't care whether Josh Berman shoots with a digi cam or with a toy pistol; we're not talking about ski movies here, we're talking about ethics.

For those of you who have said that what you've heard about MSP is just hardline business, you may be right. Is that the way you want the ski industry to work? Say you're making a ski movie called WSKI106 and Helly Hansen is going to give you a shitload of money as a sponsor. Then Steve Winter decides to give Helly a call, and tells them that your movie is going to suck; you don't have any footage; the sponsorship is going to give Helly Hansen a bad name; you're not going to sell nearly as many movies as he is; and that they should give all of their money to MSP, instead. Call that hardline business? I call it bullshit.

'Oh, he's very popular, Ed. The sportos, the motorheads, geeks, sluts, bloods, waistoids, dweebies, dickheads--they all adore him. They think he's a righteous dude.'
 
sure lets all boycott ski movies YEA THATS GREAT FOR THE INDUSTRY YOU DUMB FUCKS! boycott some of the most quality ski movies produced...... do u REALLY think thats good for newschool? NO freakin dumbasses good lord. please just THINK A LIL god!

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Sportin' the bath robe steeze.

since 1984

NO BRIAN, its I before E except after C, an when sounding like a in a neighbor in weigh and on weekends and holidays and all through out may and you'll always be wrong no MATTER WHAT YOU SAY!

You all take luck now! You take luck and care
 
^actually boycotting msp woudl be good because that would be one less shitty product out there.

'Keep on rocking in the free world'
 
freezy, i'm VERY surprised. we're not talking about the auto or computer industry here, we're talking about the NEWSCHOOL SKI MOVIE INDUSTRY. not exactly fortune 500 material there. no one makes ski movies to make money and if they do, they're kidding themselves because they won't make shit. there's no reason for msp to do shit like this in this type of industry other than the fact that they're greedy bastards who can't handle a little competition. they're trying to force us to buy their movies so they can stay on top. i shouldn't have to buy one company just so i can see my favorite rider. let me make up my own mind.

 
dishwalla, ill buy what i want and i dont have anything against level 1 but as far as i am concerned MSP is the shit

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dont think for a second that steve winter really cares about the newschool scene. what is his background? bloody RAP films. the makers of the most boring skiing and biking movies of all time. and he still is involved very heavily with big mountain. now that in itself isnt a bad thing, if you like big mountain then by all means buy msp. but if it comes down to yearbook vs. high five, please support level 1. they are the real deal, and dont pretend to be who they arent, like msp does. msp should stick to progressive big mountain skiing and leave the jib footy to those who actually know a thing or two about newschool

-Joel

~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~

Capital City Rider

Dragons Lair

lanky steeze
 
yes, the fact tnat they have contributed alot is undeniable. but i believe that it is time for them to politely step aside and leave jibbing to the experts, rather than singlehandedly take down the entire industry.

-Joel

~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~

Capital City Rider

Dragons Lair

lanky steeze
 
I have not seen high five, but i will say that level 1's movie last year sucked donkey dick, I will buy next years msp movie just for shane, seth, pollard, and the amazing ingrid, but if i were to focus on supporting a company, i'd focus on TGR because they are a great company,as well as Theory 3

Whiskey, the homeless man's heater
 
This thread is SO HOT RIGHT NOW!

Lets all have a big warm welcome to Mr Winters and the rest of the MSP crew. It appears they've been monitoring this thread closely and throwing in their 2cents from time to time. Way to go fellas!

I've had to skip over reading most of this bullshit cause so many of you are most likely clueless, but it sounds like a few of you, especially jibtech (thanks for the info!) seem to know whats up.

Honestly, bottom line, MSP fucking sucks. I used to be one of their biggest fans. I've helped to run some of their premieres in the past, pre-ordered their movies online, and thoroughly enjoyed most of them. In the past few years their shit has gone downhill, its quite obvious and everyone here, MSP fans or not, seems to agree. I think a lot of it has to do with their fucked up business ethics. Bottom line, you can't pull shit like they've apparently been doing, and get away with it forever! Someone will call you out, and apparently, someone has. Its great to know that pretty much everyone in the industry reads this forum, and now hopefully MSPs few remaining sponsors and the last of the athletes willing to shoot with them will see whats up.

Honestly, I haven't always been a huge fan of L1P, but year after year their shit has been getting better, and theyre at the point now where theyre nearing legitimacy. I give Berman props for his perseverence, and willingness to help the sport out, because it sounds like thats certainly more of a priority to him than the $.

Sponsors, give some money to the kid and help him get to the next level (no pun intended!) and stop feeding the fat pig that is MSP.

 
forward? are you serious? tell me you cant watch the intro to forward without getting goosebumps. then on to crichton's segment, aka the best jib segment of all time, no doubt. liams segment was doope, hibberts was hilarious, emil had a gnarly segment...and dumont killed it. awesome soundtrack, great cinematography. i dont understand how anyone cant like forward.

im my mind it is the best jib flick to date; it tops all of this years movies. and when you say it sucks donkey balls, i seriously take offense to that, because i cant comprehend your reasoning, and assume that its a personal grudge against level 1 or something.

-Joel

~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~

Capital City Rider

Dragons Lair

lanky steeze
 
Dude I can't wait till ski movie 17 comes out. I'll support level 1 every year, Berman started that company from the ground up and it's rapidly growing, I really respect that. From what I heard in this thread MSP sounds like a bunch of money hungry dickheads. To threaten VAS because they wanted to put a top selling movie on their cover instead of the usual MSP is fuckin rediculous. This is the ski movie industry, I thought it was about showing the skills of the athletes and making the sport of freeskiing grow. That cutthroat attitude isn't needed in the ski movie industry, if MSP is gonna pull that shit they might as try to go work as CEO's of some big business, cause I for one don't support those kind of views when making ski movies. Screw MSP.

it's a league game smokey
 
wow, skiing is so great, but this is retarded, not skiing its like politics, u guys should spend less time arguing and not make skiing so dumb and serious

jume

 
Oh, and Mr Winters, I called Video Action Sports, and they told me that Ski Movie 4 DID NOT outsell 1242 (definitely the best movie last year by the way), so you are full of shit!

To think that an MSP movie would outsell ALL of the other ski titles combined, complete lunacy. Its great they you tell your sponsors this pathetic lie, but really, you can't put it past 10,000 random kids on a website!

 
I think most people are seeing the point that I was orignally trying to get across. Come a couple days ill spend an hour or so typing up the message that is found in the bonus features. That should clear up any doubt for people who are still in denial that MSP is awesome, it is quite the contrary.

Drop Cliffs not Bombs
 
Yeah, and the posts are getting a little more intelligent and thoughtful. Amazing.

I'm 100% against MSP.

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Ross

SRMC

cbf
 
^No thanks to Dfresh, that guy has a fucking L1P fetish!

NS has become the official gathering of the world's dumbest people.

Scratch174, thank you.
 
Alright, I have refrained from posting often in this thread because it’s stuffed to the gills with fools and I was tired of sifting through the idiocy to get to the legit posts, such as the ones from Ethan and Dave. Another significant reason was that I had heard the dirt on MSP before it managed to hit the fan on this site. The Helly Hansen sponsorship fiasco, the WSK106 threats, the blackmailing of VAS, the proposal to Tanner and CR behind Johnny and Eric’s backs, and the messages left to Josh. I am absolutely positive that these incidents are only a small representation of the way you operate. I am sure if I knew the full extent, I would probably be a great deal angrier. You guys deserve the worst. Unfortunately, you have Seth on a two-foot leash, and idiots will continue to buy Ski Movie 17 based on your bullshit reputation, which hopefully takes a turn for the worse. You had a one million dollar budget to make Yearbook, and you made a bullshit movie with reused music. However, it seems that wasn’t enough and you had to go and try and drag other individuals down to your level. Way to fucking go assholes.

Now. Steve Winter, Scott Gaffney, Matchstick Productions. I know you are monitoring this thread closely. Please, hear me out.

I don’t care that Seth is my God. I don’t care that Pollard is Jesus reincarnated. I don’t care that Hugo gives’r harder than anyone. I will never buy one of your movies again. Ever. Fuck you. You treat the people dedicated to our industry like shit. You use treacherous tactics in an attempt to bolster your company’s own crumbling position. I have had it with you and your bullshit.

You're still herding swine as a profession -Anewmorning

Dont start with me...

Ill get drunk tonite and make posts that will make your eyes bleed -Lord_Piot

But, you can always fall back on your degree in... Communications! Oh, dear Lord!

I know! Is phony major. Lubchenko learn nothing. Nothing!

Our greatest glory consists not in never falling. But in rising every time we fall.

 
OK LISTEN UP ALL YOU IGNORANT FUCKS. EVERYTHING IS BULLSHIT. MSP FUCKING IS THE SHIT. SO WHAT IF SETH HAD A BAD YEAR AND ABMAS PART WAS ROCK RAP. AND THERE WAS 17 MINUTES OF SKIBASE JUMPING. AND THEY TOOK SONGS FROM OLD POORBOYZ MOVIES. AND THEY TRIED TO WORK OTHER MOVIE COMPANIES OVER. ALL YOUR SO CALLED 'FACTS' COME FROM ETHAN STONE, DAVE LEVIN, AND JOSH BERMAN.

I applaud you huckandstomp! this is a tough point to argue.

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'i have like 2000 black enemies. theyre indestructible.' - Crystal-needs-a-park
 
Anyone supporting MSP on here, do you actually have a reason other than the fact that they have big mountain?

If you want big mountain buy a movie from TGR, Theory-3 or Team 13.

 
Ace, Are you offering evidence to refute Dave, Ethan, and (I didn't see Berman's name anywhere in here) or are you advancing an argument on the basis of thier credibility? Because I have known few people who speak the truth like Dave Levin (sorry ethan, don't know you.) Dave has very little to benefit from an untruth, which is what you contend. If you have evidence to either support or deny these claims, drop it into the forum, let 's all make this a level playing field for argumentation. I will fully divulge my biases against MSP, but I don't agree with you portrayl of a smear campaign.

'Say what you will about the tenets of modern socialism, at least its an ethos' -Walter Sojezch, The Big Lebowski
 
Dissing Scott Gaffney has taken it too far. Scott is one of the best, nicest, and chillest people in the entire ski community. Don't diss him.

NS has become the official gathering of the world's dumbest people.

Scratch174, thank you.
 
haha carl... I think you missed Ace's sublime sarcasm

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qualities solidity well finished after sale services (if broken, ..). so what do you think? out of one fact: armadas black and PINK is ugly and faggy!
 
Dammit Dave. Always have to go spoiling my fun, but good call. Sorry ace.

'Say what you will about the tenets of modern socialism, at least its an ethos' -Walter Sojezch, The Big Lebowski
 
Business is shady, this is business, granted at it's worse end, it's still business. Companies competing for money isn't all bad though. Think about all the attention being brought to all the sponsors about all this hub-ub. Maybe it will entice them to dump more and more into the film maker's pockets. If I had the cash right now I'd order Forward, and High 5. I loved Strike 3, even though I am not all that into lots of urban stuff, I still liked it. I hope this all gets resolved and people open their eyes and see that walking on the little isn't all that benficial, no matter who you are.

In this industry it seems like there is this hatred of anything that resembles a large company, i.e. Salomon, MSP, etc. The sport may not be big enough to handle big business tactics, but eventually I hope it will. That way these guys actually make money for their riding, and filming. If you say these small companies don't do it for the money, I would have to disagree with you. It's maybe not all for the money, but anyone starting a business is doing it to make money. You don't start a business (other than non-profit) without wanting, or expecting compensation for your work. That's not how it works.

I have tons of respect for everyone pushing this industry, especailly the guys who come back year after year, without having a million to produce a movie. This thread sucks because all it does is put a rift in our small sport. Freeskiing is Freeskiing, to me that includes Park, Pipe, Big Mountain, Urban, even ski basing, all of it is newschool to me, because oldschool to me is back scrathers, and gate chasing.

It seems like a little acceptance and respect could go a long way here.

With the sport being so small, MSP needs to re-evaluate it's practices because I'm sure within 5 years, freeskiing will be dominated by small rider-owned companies who are just being able to through some money into the movies and won't take to kindly to this sort of Big Business Bullying.

MSP is the big fish in a small pond, but needs to watch out because the small fish have the tenacity of piranhas, and have die-hard fans who with the same passion.

'I own all the pbp films starting back with happy dayz. I would say this forsure is my least favorite.' -lineroyalarmy
 
What's not business about it? It's competitition. I don't give a fuck if you are selling lemonade, and the kid across the street is selling it for 5 cents less. You'll do something to sell more and make more money, if not you won't survive in the business, PERIOD.

B-Wald I fail to see how making and selling ski movies is any less of a business than anything else simply because it's 'just a ski movie'

'I own all the pbp films starting back with happy dayz. I would say this forsure is my least favorite.' -lineroyalarmy
 
Well first everyone take a step back, think, breath.

1. No one makes much money, if at all in this small corner of the skiing industry. That includes big guys like MSP, TGR, and PBP.

2. The thread is dominated by one side. The other side needs to be represented for any of this to mean anything.

3. Business is business. People will always try to protect their turf, its part of our nature. If money is taken away-people try to retain it. If an oppurtunity comes up for a business venture that could make more money, people strive for it.

I don't want to take sides, but this is ridiculous. No one can deny they wouldn't try to do the same thing. Is it ethical? That's a matter of opinion. Is it economically responsible to survive-yes.

Both companies are essential parts of the industry. One that is relatively new who will bring pressure on the older, more knowledgable, more connected company. The battle and the struggle is a healthy part of an industry.

Both companies have goals, soul, and make different, but equally incredible movies.

Buy whatever one wants to buy to continue fueling the love of our sport.

 
^I agree

I'd rather watch the movies than argue about them anyway.

'I own all the pbp films starting back with happy dayz. I would say this forsure is my least favorite.' -lineroyalarmy
 
'Is it ethical? That's a matter of opinion.'

Er... how to put this... Oh, I know. No, it isn't a matter of opinion.

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In a haze

A stormy haze

I’ll be around

I’ll be loving you

Always

Always

Here I am

And I’ll take my time

Here I am

And I’ll wait in line

Always

Always...
 
Agreed with Freeskisquaw. Gaffney is the man.

'Say what you will about the tenets of modern socialism, at least its an ethos' -Walter Sojezch, The Big Lebowski
 
there are alot of people involved with msp that are 'the man'. seth is 'the man'. hugo is 'the man'. even shane. which is a shame, because many former msp fans such as myself wont be buying ski movie 17 to see the gnarliest progressive big mountain footage from these guys we love.

-Joel

~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~

Capital City Rider

Dragons Lair

lanky steeze
 
I'll go to the premiere, though. Any opportunity to get drunk and watch a ski movie...

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In a haze

A stormy haze

I’ll be around

I’ll be loving you

Always

Always

Here I am

And I’ll take my time

Here I am

And I’ll wait in line

Always

Always...
 
dude, i understand that they do need to make some money, but you can't say that anyone who started any of these companies planned on making a lot of money. they started because they loved the sport and loved making movies. bullying around tiny little ski video companies is not just business, it's bullshit. it's just stupid to use those types of tactics in a market this small. if they need money that bad, they should start making porn videos instead of ski ones.

 
^Which is why people got so pissed off at Ninthward for coming in here and talking shit about other companies... You just don't do that in this industry. We're all in the same boat.

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In a haze

A stormy haze

I’ll be around

I’ll be loving you

Always

Always

Here I am

And I’ll take my time

Here I am

And I’ll wait in line

Always

Always...
 
Leave Ninthward out of this.

You're still herding swine as a profession -Anewmorning

Dont start with me...

Ill get drunk tonite and make posts that will make your eyes bleed -Lord_Piot

But, you can always fall back on your degree in... Communications! Oh, dear Lord!

I know! Is phony major. Lubchenko learn nothing. Nothing!

Our greatest glory consists not in never falling. But in rising every time we fall.

 
Its a bummer that steve winter is a dick because I love their movies. Think about it. They were the first ones to take tanner, pep and pollard heli skiing. They make sick movies hands down. unfortunately, it sounds like steve is a fat hunk of poopoo

Jesus saves!

Gretzky gets the rebound. he feeds the puck to LeClair. he shoots! he scores! the crowd goes wild
 
ok so far, i have read this whole thread from top to bottom and here is the hard evidince i have why MSP should no longer exsist in our sport.

#1. They convinced Hansen not go sponsor wski106 because Steve winters said that there movie would be shit(not true total bullshit, not ethical, this is backstabbing the shit outa eric and pbp)

#2. He also went behind poorboyz and eric ibergs back, to tanner and cr and said he would give wski more money which was bullshit.

#3. Msp Also, called into makers of top gun and make wski pull off all their shit and remake alot of their dvd's costing them more money.

#4. Steve winters tried to push berman out by threatening him ( clearly it was a threat) and basically tellinig him that his shots werent good enough quality, and that he would cut out the money they were giving berman.

#5. Steve Winters basically blackmailed the shit outa everyone so he could get more money making him a greedy ass bastard.

-from all these facts, which were straight up if you have been reading, would you really want to support msp if they did this? They don't even care about the industry its pretty obvious they only care about the money. So all in all, i would say, don't buy movies from someone who used to make rap videos buy them from people like johnny, and josh and dave, who are skiers to the core and who care about the industry. All i know is im glad i bought X because it is dope, and i was goin to buy yearbook, but i chose X instead just because i knew johnny was making it and it wouldn't be the same as all the other years. So do the right thing and do not support MSP instead support your industry.

sickz one three represent.

 
hurray no more posting, i clearly won that, whoever tries to disregard that is a moron. I think it has been cleared that MSP=Greedy BASTARDs.

sickz one three represent.

 
This is for everyone who jumped on the MSP boycott band wagon.

Have you ever shopped at Wal-Mart? There, shut the fuck up.

If you need me to explain then you shouldn't breathe and I will get back to you when you quit.

Politicaly Active Since 1992

'Soberity is not an option.'

Drivin that Train
 
Let's the not forget the stunt they pulled with the Seth Morrison footage for Session 1242. There was some trouble with that. So he ended up having 3 shitty shots where he went inverted once and some crappy old Warren Miller footage.

They have Seth by the balls. Underrepresenting the greatest skier of our generation in a supposedly one time special company movie is practically a crime.

You're still herding swine as a profession -Anewmorning

Dont start with me...

Ill get drunk tonite and make posts that will make your eyes bleed -Lord_Piot

But, you can always fall back on your degree in... Communications! Oh, dear Lord!

I know! Is phony major. Lubchenko learn nothing. Nothing!

Our greatest glory consists not in never falling. But in rising every time we fall.

 
^any more details on that one? i want to know...

-Joel

~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~

Capital City Rider

Dragons Lair

lanky steeze
 
just buy and watch both what is the big fucking deal. msp has made freeskiing progress from its 1st movie. dont be retarded guys. level 1 is the same way. lets keep the industry cause you know without msp and level 1. freekiing wouldnt be what it is today.

 
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