Does anyone on here work for Vail Resorts?

[c-fries]

Not the resort itself, not one of the many they’ve swallowed up. I’m talking about Vail Resorts (stock ticker: MTN), like Broomfield corporate. If you work for them, please come forward. We’re not going to shame you (yes we are) but we want to know how you justify working for the evil empire that aims to dramatically change skiing for its stockholders (and already has).

Please enlighten us and tell us your story. We totally won’t devise a plan to try and dissolve your company from the inside. I’m just interested in knowing how you sleep at night - they say even good men were convinced to work for the Third Reich in WW2.

*Edit: please excuse the grotesque use of hyperbole. I’m just genuinely curious about hearing from one of our own that works in the Death Star (ah man, hyperbole again).

**This thread was edited on Dec 25th 2020 at 12:28:30pm

 

[PeppermillReno]

No but I beat those fucks out of 20 free days last year until they cancelled my epic employee pass. Cunts.

 

[theabortionator]

Fuck rob and all his katz

 

[WoFlowz]

Nah but I may commit arson if my local sells out to those fuckers

 

[TRVP_ANGEL]

I work for vail resorts. My role at the company is customer service. Every morning I go to my local resort and stab a passholder as part of our vail tradition (bonus if they bleed out). After I resume my regular duties such as conversing at the water cooler, checking emails and lastly telling customers that since they cancelled a reservation 2 weeks ahead we will be removing their week-of booking rights. Before we end the day, the employees all report to Rob Katz in his office where he has us all strip naked and picks two of us to wrestle in a tub of oil. Winner gets a 5% discount coupon to all vail resorts cafeteria. It's part of his employee appreciation program that recently rolled out.

**This post was edited on Dec 25th 2020 at 12:18:02pm

 

[c-fries]

I work for vail resorts. My role at the company is customer service. Every morning I go to my local resort and stab a passholder as part of our vail tradition (bonus if they bleed out). After I resume my regular duties such as conversing at the water cooler, checking emails and lastly telling customers that since they cancelled a reservation 2 weeks ahead we will be removing their week-of booking rights. Before we end the day, the employees all report to Rob Katz in his office where he has us all strip naked and picks two of us to wrestle in a tub of oil. Winner gets a 5% discount coupon to all vail resorts cafeteria. It's part of his employee appreciation program that recently rolled out.

**This post was edited on Dec 25th 2020 at 12:18:02pm

Thank you very much. This is precisely the professional environment I expected. I’m sure your LinkedIn is immaculate.

 

[PeteMahn]

Everyone who works for corporate is a massive douche just trying to squeeze profits. Look what is happening to the parks and park staff at Bid Boulder.

Hopefully one day all the morons who work for the resort will shut up about a union and start a boycott and strike. Obviously the J'1s would not be down but if you had a shit load of workers refuse to work during Christmas week and New Years that would fuck things up so badly it would be so awesome. Everyone on vacation would lose their shit hahaha.

 

[PeppermillReno]

Everyone who works for corporate is a massive douche just trying to squeeze profits. Look what is happening to the parks and park staff at Bid Boulder.

Hopefully one day all the morons who work for the resort will shut up about a union and start a boycott and strike. Obviously the J'1s would not be down but if you had a shit load of workers refuse to work during Christmas week and New Years that would fuck things up so badly it would be so awesome. Everyone on vacation would lose their shit hahaha.

Sucks they never balls'd up and did it.

Corona has made our society such pussies that nothing like this will ever happen.

You know who is having a great Christmas is fucking China they are thrilled with how easy it has been to castrate and collapse the western world.

 

[yessirskiii_]

Alright I’ll come clean. I’m a senior in college at Regis in Denver and I work for Vail, in retail at Epic Mountain Gear in the Jr trade/rental area as well as in the shop.

the people I work with are cool, lots of good homies I’ve met there. I’ll say there’s a lot of things that I wish could change about the corporation as a whole, but I love helping the youngins get set up and knowing I helped get them stoked and on the slopes, as well as the friends I’ve made working there

it was mad soft tho when bobby katz blacked our passes 2 days prior to the weekend of a big storm, but it’s whatever, I jibbed the backyard pvc that weekend

 

[chickenlegs420]

I got a job offer at the corporate office doing bitch accounting work. Went and interviewed in Broomfield office, and got a tour of the place. Everyone working there were suits. Not a single person represented the culture.

Ended up working for Winter Park as a rental tech. I made more money than they offered me at vail corporate. Fairly certain nobody at the corporate office skis more than 10 days a year

 

[c-fries]

Alright I’ll come clean. I’m a senior in college at Regis in Denver and I work for Vail, in retail at Epic Mountain Gear in the Jr trade/rental area as well as in the shop.

the people I work with are cool, lots of good homies I’ve met there. I’ll say there’s a lot of things that I wish could change about the corporation as a whole, but I love helping the youngins get set up and knowing I helped get them stoked and on the slopes, as well as the friends I’ve made working there

it was mad soft tho when bobby katz blacked our passes 2 days prior to the weekend of a big storm, but it’s whatever, I jibbed the backyard pvc that weekend

Trust me man, did not post this thread to rip on people like you. You’re the backbone of the industry and keeping the sport going. I more so wanted to know who these mysterious corporate office people are that are consciously making the decisions to ruin the areas we love. Yes yes money, money, status, etc. but still.

 

[eheath]

Vail is a good company to work for, if you're not at the bottom of the totem pole they treat you pretty well TBH just like every large company that fucks people over. Sometimes I really wonder how some ppl on here are so naive.

 

[eheath]

Also, an epic pass is cheaper than most resorts normal passes so they are actually making skiing more accessible, you gonna say that those people who are able to access skiing because of vail shouldn't be skiers or snowboarders? We can go real deep into the rabbit hole here.

 

[PeppermillReno]

Vail is a good company to work for, if you're not at the bottom of the totem pole they treat you pretty well TBH just like every large company that fucks people over. Sometimes I really wonder how some ppl on here are so naive.

How have the not hired you yet? You are definitely Vail material and a perfect fit with their corporate culture.

 

[thatsG]

I wouldn't mind one of the skiing podcasts interviewing a vail resorts execs

 

[eheath]

How have the not hired you yet? You are definitely Vail material and a perfect fit with their corporate culture.

Sounds like you have a personal vendetta against Vail, I think they get a bad rap and sure they're a greedy corp but they do a lot of good shit that nobody talks about.

 

[404404]

Epic pass makes more accessible to those who have money. Skiing its self has been stagnant for years because people have been priced out. Katz say it himself that they cant reach new demographics because the model they turned to makes skiing more expensive for new people and those in lower income brackets. And guess who is in lower income brackets? Minorities and non college educated people. Guess what one of the fastest growing demographic is in the US? Minorities.

Also, an epic pass is cheaper than most resorts normal passes so they are actually making skiing more accessible, you gonna say that those people who are able to access skiing because of vail shouldn't be skiers or snowboarders? We can go real deep into the rabbit hole here.

 

[404404]

Puts on Vail.

Err edit.

Vail calls. I like money.

**This post was edited on Dec 25th 2020 at 6:53:45pm

 

[eheath]

Epic pass makes more accessible to those who have money. Skiing its self has been stagnant for years because people have been priced out. Katz say it himself that they cant reach new demographics because the model they turned to makes skiing more expensive for new people and those in lower income brackets. And guess who is in lower income brackets? Minorities and non college educated people. Guess what one of the fastest growing demographic is in the US? Minorities.

While what you said is right, Vail 100% made passes cheaper for many skiers, whether you see that as an overall benefit or not is up to you.

 

[404404]

Vail made it cheaper for some skiers sure. But not the bulk. They moved to an airline model where yes if you book 3 months ahead of time you will "save" money. And if you package hotel, lift and rentals for a family of 4 and fly to CO it will be considered cheaper but to do all that means you have plenty of disposable income. And now it comes back to the stagnation the industry is seeing. People who can, and want to already are skiing. While people who may want to try it, or show interest look at a ticket price and say, "fuck that".

For me, you and some dude who makes $60k a year and is dedicated to skiing 10 times a year thats not bad. Like $60 to $100 per day but thats still $60 to ski JFBB or Liberty, PA.

While what you said is right, Vail 100% made passes cheaper for many skiers, whether you see that as an overall benefit or not is up to you.

**This post was edited on Dec 25th 2020 at 7:02:40pm

 

[404404]

For the record I'm not saying Vail is a evil company. They are just mega corporate and because of that the stock holders are always going to be the driving factor in decision making. Thats what a good publicity traded company does.

 

[c-fries]

While what you said is right, Vail 100% made passes cheaper for many skiers, whether you see that as an overall benefit or not is up to you.

To echo what [tag=10102]@Wormracer[/tag] is saying here, Vail has made many acquisitions in which later operational decisions price out a great deal of skiers. For example, Vail recently bought Mad River Mountain in central Ohio. I used to ride there in school. Place has an awesome park scene where kids from the area could come and rip for cheap. $200 season pass for college kids, $20 every Friday if you’re in college, etc etc.

Now that Vail has it? Only options are the Epic pass or their ripoff multiple resort Ohio pass. If you’re just riding Mad River, both options make no sense. No local option and that sucks. Plus it’s a huge cultural change for the resort.

Skiing should not be prohibitively expensive or inaccessible for those without a high income and unfortunately that’s just the direction Vail will continue to go.

 

[a_burger]

if you're not at the bottom of the totem pole they treat you pretty well

sucks to be at the bottom of the totem pole then, huh?

 

[SFBv420.0]

if only there was a way to just walk uphill and ski for free

and if only it were stagnant for years

other than that

vail gonna vail

skiers will ski

and vibes if you need others to do it

 

[theabortionator]

For the record I'm not saying Vail is a evil company. They are just mega corporate and because of that the stock holders are always going to be the driving factor in decision making. Thats what a good publicity traded company does.

Fuck them though. Was sick working for them for peanuts and working lunches because we didnt take breaks then finding out they never turned in the paperwork for us to get paid lunches. Also issues with this two seasons in a row. Crazy illegal because they take work laws pretty seriously.

Always "urgently hiring" employees but paying less than fucking taco bell etc. Letting good employees leave over a buck or two an hour. Then bitching that the employees that they hire aren't cutting it.

Idk call it corporate whatever and just doing their thing but vail is built of scumbags. Fuck them.

 

[theabortionator]

if only there was a way to just walk uphill and ski for free

and if only it were stagnant for years

other than that

vail gonna vail

skiers will ski

and vibes if you need others to do it

Yeah vail and a bunch of places charge money. Also there's been a MASSIVE influx of backcountry users. So the "omg this backcountry thing that is so queit exists" sentiment is kind of bs.

 

[eheath]

sucks to be at the bottom of the totem pole then, huh?

I'd say this is pretty accurate for any job in any industry, but everyone starts at the bottom.

 

[a_burger]

I'd say this is pretty accurate for any job in any industry, but everyone starts at the bottom.

and in the ski industry pretty much everyone stays at the bottom. There's no room for everyone to climb, and telling everyone else to just deal with it is a great way to burn out your workforce

Been seeing a lot of sentiment from older people that resorts are understaffed because young people are lazy, unemployment is too good of a deal, etc. but the reality is when the bottom of the pyramid is getting treated like shit (specifically seeing it with lifties who have way more on their plate this year and also lost most of their riding privileges) and then something like COVID comes along and shakes the whole foundation a lot of people are just gonna jump out of the industry because it isn't sustainable. It's not like everyone needs to make bank but a lot of resort jobs barely cover costs of living these days

feel like a broken record everytime one of these meta-industry threads comes up but if your employees can't live sustainably or take care of their families then your doing something wrong

 

[Chunderface]

Alright I’ll come clean. I’m a senior in college at Regis in Denver and I work for Vail, in retail at Epic Mountain Gear in the Jr trade/rental area as well as in the shop.

the people I work with are cool, lots of good homies I’ve met there. I’ll say there’s a lot of things that I wish could change about the corporation as a whole, but I love helping the youngins get set up and knowing I helped get them stoked and on the slopes, as well as the friends I’ve made working there

it was mad soft tho when bobby katz blacked our passes 2 days prior to the weekend of a big storm, but it’s whatever, I jibbed the backyard pvc that weekend

That junior trade program is a joke. I've seen kids get set up on skis that are literal garbage. Like should be thrown in the trashcan. And the employees don't seem to know how to fit a boot on a kit. Like work the buckles, have them stand up, ask if their toes touch. Like do they even get training, or know how to ski themselves?

 

[jakeordie]

Also, an epic pass is cheaper than most resorts normal passes so they are actually making skiing more accessible, you gonna say that those people who are able to access skiing because of vail shouldn't be skiers or snowboarders?

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/predatory-pricing.asp

"Predatory pricing is the illegal act of setting prices low in an attempt to eliminate the competition. Predatory pricing violates antitrust law, as it makes markets more vulnerable to a monopoly."

 

[eheath]

and in the ski industry pretty much everyone stays at the bottom. There's no room for everyone to climb, and telling everyone else to just deal with it is a great way to burn out your workforce

This absolutely untrue, Vail hires within as do most resorts, if you can make it through a couple years of shit you move up, seen it with my own eyes.

 

[eheath]

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/predatory-pricing.asp

"Predatory pricing is the illegal act of setting prices low in an attempt to eliminate the competition. Predatory pricing violates antitrust law, as it makes markets more vulnerable to a monopoly."

lol alright dude if you wanna try and convince anyone that Vail is violating anti-trust laws, you're gonna need to do some more research than a link from investopedia

 

[yessirskiii_]

That junior trade program is a joke. I've seen kids get set up on skis that are literal garbage. Like should be thrown in the trashcan. And the employees don't seem to know how to fit a boot on a kit. Like work the buckles, have them stand up, ask if their toes touch. Like do they even get training, or know how to ski themselves?

I definitely don’t disagree that some of the skis are beat to hell, not to mention I couldn’t even begin to tell you how many times I’ve seen kids come in with boots that are 2 sizes to big after using them for a season.

We do ASTM every ski in the program unless the parent prefers to do the work themselves, so ideally they’re all still in perfect working order.

I love to ski, and I take pride in my work, meaning I do my best to make sure each kid gets an adequate set up that will be beneficial to them, their parents and their progression.

there are some of us that care, I’ll leave it at that

 

[a_burger]

This absolutely untrue, Vail hires within as do most resorts, if you can make it through a couple years of shit you move up, seen it with my own eyes.

yeah to fill the spot for someone else who got burned out. And if you decide to stick it out, what happens to all your homies you worked with? No room for all of you to move up.

Bottom line is you shouldn't need to get promoted to make a living wage, that should be guaran-fucking-teed the day you start. I'd say if the resort disagrees they can deal with the consequences except those all just get passed on to the skiers

 

[eheath]

yeah to fill the spot for someone else who got burned out. And if you decide to stick it out, what happens to all your homies you worked with? No room for all of you to move up.

Bottom line is you shouldn't need to get promoted to make a living wage, that should be guaran-fucking-teed the day you start. I'd say if the resort disagrees they can deal with the consequences except those all just get passed on to the skiers

So you're saying every low paying job in the country should be a livable wage? It all depends on where you live as well, most people who get shit jobs at ski resorts aren't trying to move up, but after one year in lift ops if you're a halfway competent employee you'll be made a lead, then a manager, then your possibilities are endless. This same thing happens with snowmaking, if you're a hard working employee that doesn't flake out, then you start grooming instead of snowmaking, then you become a manager, then you have endless possibilities at different resorts around the country.

But you're right, there isn't jobs for everyone, but which well paying industry do you know of that doesn't have a competitive work force? Like that's not an argument at all IMO, nobody gets a job at a company to move up the ranks with their friends.

Also, if you don't like your job, quit, there are hundreds of garbage jobs you could try instead, I don't really have sympathy for somebody who is upset their entry level ski resort job isn't paying them enough.

 

[Static]

This absolutely untrue, Vail hires within as do most resorts, if you can make it through a couple years of shit you move up, seen it with my own eyes.

Maybe you can make it to office manager level but not GM or C level positions, those positions are usually outside hires.

 

[jakeordie]

lol alright dude if you wanna try and convince anyone that Vail is violating anti-trust laws, you're gonna need to do some more research than a link from investopedia

https://www.justice.gov/atr/case/us-and-colorado-v-vail-resorts-inc-et-al

 

[eheath]

https://www.justice.gov/atr/case/us-and-colorado-v-vail-resorts-inc-et-al

Lol dude you fucking hate VR eh?

 

[ezav]

Everyone who works for corporate is a massive douche just trying to squeeze profits. Look what is happening to the parks and park staff at Bid Boulder.

Hopefully one day all the morons who work for the resort will shut up about a union and start a boycott and strike. Obviously the J'1s would not be down but if you had a shit load of workers refuse to work during Christmas week and New Years that would fuck things up so badly it would be so awesome. Everyone on vacation would lose their shit hahaha.

Anyone tryna explain what happened/is happening to big boulder since vail bought it? Ive been living under a rock and am genuinely curious

 

[theabortionator]

Sounds like you have a personal vendetta against Vail, I think they get a bad rap and sure they're a greedy corp but they do a lot of good shit that nobody talks about.

Getting rid of all HR and moving that all over the phone to broomfield was pretty cool.

Luckily nobody ever has any work place problems where hr could be useful.

#journeytozero

 

[theabortionator]

Every SLT member we have at my resort has been promoted from within the company. Every GM we've had has been promoted from within the company. I won't go as far as saying that all C level comes from within the company but a good majority of them have been promoted and hired from within. There is plenty of room for moving up the chain within Vail Resorts.

Just like any company working for Vail has it's positives and negatives. It all depends on the specific position but the company has grown a ton in recent years which leaves plenty of room for moving up the chain. If you're semi competent and aren't a terrible jaded employee it's really easy to make a living wage.

A good majority of the Vail workforce is unskilled uneducated temporary seasonal hires. If you're complaining about making enough money then maybe find a new industry or a job that is year round and will provide you benefits.

There you go again. They threw some money at you and now you're in the big times, and everyone that complains or gets boned is just lazy. Sure dude.

Drink that koolaid.

I'll defend vail about a lot of things. Also as I mentioned in that other thread, stoked you're making it work and geting paid. That said fuck acting like everyone who makes it is killing it. Anyone who get's boned is lazy and it's some sort of modern day American dream being realized.

Just stick with it! You'll get there if you put in the time!!!!

That's simply not true. Your story is atypical and it isn't because you're harder working and everyone else is lazy complainers.

Tell yourself whatever you want though.

Hell, in my department at your specific resort. In addition to best case scenario making the same or just more than taco bell in KB(and many getting paid less) we got straight lied to about our lunch breaks being paid and when working full shifts without any breaks were getting lunch taken out. Idk why anyone would be jaded about that and other things. Stuff getting dreamed up by people with too much free time and no experience in a department. Like the handcuff things they wanted on every hydrant for snowmaking as a reaction to somebody getting hurt at keystone, but didn't think any of it through and the possibly one scenario it could have been helpful for we weren't supposed to use it for.

The people with 10+ years experience that walk over a buck or two an hour because it just isn't survivable they're not even being greedy. Then vail is always "urgently hiring" for the next guy they can pay less. Then wondering why it's the same shit different year.

But again. Parks, grooming, snowmaking, etc aren't essential. Those people are all lazy and jaded, your security gig is essential af, and you're the prime example of "if you stay around long enough you'll be living the American dream."

Man. It's just wild. Nobody is asking for any handouts but you've continually acted like anyone getting boned who complains about it is a lazy piece of shit.

As I said before it's great you got your promotion. Good for you. Your attitude about the compsny and probably life in general is skewed at best. Thanks for being a dick. Enjoy you job

 

[theabortionator]

Also I'm sober atm so that wasn't even some wasted rant. Just not into any of that bs.

 

[theabortionator]

Lol you’re too easy dude, don’t take the bait so hard next time jeez

Idk man. You came out hard a while back with some of that stuff. Maybe it was all a joke maybe it wasn't. Idk. Not trying to fight you. I probably should just get over it but VR found a sore spot. Something about the additional bonage while working more than full time, doing good work, barely able to pay rent and buy groceries kind of rubs you the wrong way. People will put up with some shit, but that place really doesn't care and seems to be down to rub dirt in the wounds.

I got the fuck out of there though. I told them in the employee engagement survey that I'm sure they don't care about that if I left Northstar I'd probably never work for Vail again.

Kind of a shame but whatever. Idk if there's one ski area in Tahoe I wouldn't have gotten at least a small if not significant raise to go to. Also all the other jobs in the area as well which is why they struggle to find new people.

Also something about running a multi hundred thousand dollar machine on grave shift when you could get a raise at taco bell down the street kind of rubs a man the wrong way.

Not a fan of what VR has done to parks either. Look at beaver creek. Place had a pretty sick park at one point. Shit's barely on life support now. Down to one beginner park and they had to plow the jumps they built in it I guess? Fuck.

Hoping for the best for the peak resorts they acquired specifically bb and mount snow. Deleting the BB insta a few days ago doesn't look good though.

I get it, it's a corporation, they're trying to make the $ and keep the shareholders happy. That's America. Doesn't mean we cant complain about the negatives though.

The people that say "fuck vail" for no reason are kind of lame, but Vail has done some increasingly shot things to the industry and it's harder to defend them.

There are benefits to vail and the epic pass and being able to ski multiple places but there are also costs.

But yeah, idk I'm glad I got the fuck out of there and the money it would take to get me back, though not even unreasonable, is far more than they would ever offer me.

Glad at least for now some of the park programs still have a budget but who know's when those will get significantly slashed.

At the end of the day it is what it is. If you make it work and it's good to you, more power to you, I have no beef, but you have to acknowledge that some people get straight fucked and at the very least understand that maybe they want to complain on the internet about it. Whether or not you agree or understand said gripes.

If you come out swinging and call thise people out, call ridiculously passionate people lazy, etc, you're just kicking people while they're down. You dont have to agree, you don't have to have been in that situation (and I'm glad you aren't) but at least understand that your situation is not everyone's.

If you love your job at vail keep killing it, make the most of it. If you love to ski at vail send it whatever. That company blows for a lot of people and terrain parks in general.

Another wall o text but hopefully coming across less bitchy. Idk. I'm not mad, i just type fast. Merry Christmas regardless.

 

[SkiBum.]

It was mediocre at best and pay is still not on par with other industries. The part that was the worst is your just a number. Just a warm body. Unless your at VP level, no one cares about you.

Vail is a good company to work for, if you're not at the bottom of the totem pole they treat you pretty well TBH just like every large company that fucks people over. Sometimes I really wonder how some ppl on here are so naive.

 

[ski_salmon69]

Vail made it cheaper for some skiers sure. But not the bulk. They moved to an airline model where yes if you book 3 months ahead of time you will "save" money. And if you package hotel, lift and rentals for a family of 4 and fly to CO it will be considered cheaper but to do all that means you have plenty of disposable income. And now it comes back to the stagnation the industry is seeing. People who can, and want to already are skiing. While people who may want to try it, or show interest look at a ticket price and say, "fuck that".

For me, you and some dude who makes $60k a year and is dedicated to skiing 10 times a year thats not bad. Like $60 to $100 per day but thats still $60 to ski JFBB or Liberty, PA.

**This post was edited on Dec 25th 2020 at 7:02:40pm

i agree, if you’re routinely skiing throughout the season it’s not bad. but they make most of their money on day passes so you think they’d want to sell as many of those as possible. but as long as they’re jacking up prices for those day passes less and less people will buy them and therefore less profit which means they have to make up for that. which means increasing price of the epic passes, cutting wages and employees all together, investing less in the park, etc. I believe it all ties back to the day passes.

 

[a_burger]

So you're saying every low paying job in the country should be a livable wage?

Yeah? Is that even a question haha

You guys are too caught up in the status quo. Why should we settle for something that works for a few people instead of exploring other options that work for everyone? You shouldn’t just be ok with the fact that skiing is a vehicle for Vail Resorts to extract profits from their employees and give them to their shareholders, because no matter what mission statement they have that’s the end goal of a publicly traded corporation

 

[c-fries]

Yeah? Is that even a question haha

You guys are too caught up in the status quo. Why should we settle for something that works for a few people instead of exploring other options that work for everyone? You shouldn’t just be ok with the fact that skiing is a vehicle for Vail Resorts to extract profits from their employees and give them to their shareholders, because no matter what mission statement they have that’s the end goal of a publicly traded corporation

Exactly this. If you’re a publicly traded company, it is 100% all a numbers game. Quarterly and annual financial statements are released regularly and scrutinized by portfolio managers, consultants, the general public shareholders, you name it. Would these assholes cut employee pay to boost bottom line on an income statement? No doubt.

and also... “You’re saying we can lower annual insurance expenses if we just cut out having a terrain park at all? And we can eliminate those deadbeats that ski too fast thereby reducing our liability claims!? My god Gerald, you’ve got upper management written all over you!” -Broomfield corporate maybe on a daily basis

 

[jakeordie]

Lol dude you fucking hate VR eh?

No, I realise that Vail hates us.

 

[eheath]

Yeah? Is that even a question haha

You guys are too caught up in the status quo. Why should we settle for something that works for a few people instead of exploring other options that work for everyone? You shouldn’t just be ok with the fact that skiing is a vehicle for Vail Resorts to extract profits from their employees and give them to their shareholders, because no matter what mission statement they have that’s the end goal of a publicly traded corporation

How did my question about a livable wage turn into you talking about vail extracting profits from their employees? Skiing, and many other things you love are a vehicle for many businesses, not sure what your point is here.

Its pretty unreasonable to expect a for-profit business to spend more money on their high turnover, seasonal positions. Paying these employees more doesn't make your business better, as others have said low paying jobs at resorts are seasonal and meant to be a temporary job, not a career. Its not VRs job to make their employees have successful careers, that's backwards as fuck.

 

[TOAST.]

It seems like vail (and Peak prior to buyout) is trying to kill the most affordable ski pass in my area. It is a night pass for Roundtop/liberty/whitetail that used to be less than $200 if purchased early. Peak was going to completely eliminate it so it looks like vail has kept it around for now although it is not advertised and needs to be purchased through a club, but if it wasnt for that pass you could probably cut then number of skiers and snowboarders in south central PA/northern MD in half. Just about anyone I know that skis had that pass at some point.

I dont get them cutting back on parks, especially in the east. It seems like people that are into park riding are much more likely to take trips places and continue the sport into their adult lives when they have more money and kids. I just dont have faith that vail knows what they are doing with these small resorts. They are getting rid of anything that gives the resorts character and doing a good job pissing off all the locals, including the old people that never touched a park a day in their lives.

Covid isnt helping the situation with the reservation system. You would think that if somebody came up and rode for 2 hours in the morning they should be able to cancel their reservation without penalty to open a spot for someone else. Vail has had months to figure this out but did not think of that? Regsrdless of covid, spending $750+for a ski pass in southern PA makes no sense unless you have the extra time and income to travel. The season pass for the 3 local mountains was 350-450 I believe before Peak bought snotime.

 

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How did my question about a livable wage turn into you talking about vail extracting profits from their employees? Skiing, and many other things you love are a vehicle for many businesses, not sure what your point is here.

Its pretty unreasonable to expect a for-profit business to spend more money on their high turnover, seasonal positions. Paying these employees more doesn't make your business better, as others have said low paying jobs at resorts are seasonal and meant to be a temporary job, not a career. Its not VRs job to make their employees have successful careers, that's backwards as fuck.

Turning a profit and stuff like fostering a healthy ski community and growing your workers are incompatible. The root of the problem isn’t that temp workers aren’t paid enough, it’s that resorts rely on them so much. The model is outdated and broken, designed for skiing in the 70s and 80s, not today.

If skiing isn’t VRs #1 priority they’re in the wrooooong industry and I don’t give it much longer before they go the way of ASC

**This post was edited on Dec 26th 2020 at 2:09:27pm