Do you think hs and college should be extended to 5 years each?

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i feel like the simple answer to my question is "just go to grad school" but i think there is so much more to learn these days than there was 10 or 20 years ago, with math and science and especially comp sci becoming ever more important to our countries future... I think high school being only 4 years long is to short for alot of people. Also it would be fun to take extra years in college just to take extra classes just for fun. But with college being 40,000 a year these days thats easier said than done...
 
I think they should be compressed and expanded to 3 years each, 8 hours a day, going twice as fast. The idea that you should spend 2 days on a single section of a HS level math book is beyond me, and the pace of general public high schools is incredibly inefficient because to start with. Compress everything, speed it up, leave the kids who can't understand basic math and sciences behind.
 
is there actually any talk of this, or are you just wondering if people think it would be beneficial?
personally, i think four years of university is plenty. An undergraduate degree certainly won't make you an expert in any particular area, nor is it intended to do so. Just like you said, anyone looking to take their education a further step could just go to grad school. Most people don't care. They are just doing what their parents say until they can go and get a job.
 
They bemoan taking god out of schools, and then refuse to enforce any standard of discipline or intellect and then wonder why the country is going to shit.
 
I'm going to call it and say that in the future college will be a 3 year program, or much more online. Think of all the 'useless' gen eds that you take. It's very easy to actually calculate the cost of each class you take and to realize that you're paying $40 for every class session of World Music to learn about some jerkoff in Peru that plays a panpipe is disgusting. With the cost of college increasing each year, buyers will have a hard time justify paying for a traditional four year college - the price rationalization just won't be there.
 
Nonononononononononono 4 years of high school is long enough thank you...

If you go to grad school, that is a crazy amount of schooling... 4 years of undergrad is plenty.
 
college is getting there with out them doing it. i only have a few friends that actually graduated in 4 years. and i will be a senior in college next semester and i still need 3 more semesters. so it will be 4 and a half years for me

 
I believe highschools have a lot of room for improvment before anything like that personally. To begin, In NY four years of gym is required but you only need 3 of math/science?
 
Some undergraduate majors are 5 years already, and there are a lot of 4+2 style programs (or other combinations of numbers). Whatever is appropriate for you financially, and career-wise should be what you end up doing.

As for high school, we definitely need to fix the public education system. While we can't be trying to push APs on everyone, I think that the rigor of standard high schools(not trade schools) needs to be dramatically raised. I personally floated through high school, easily getting good grades in Honors and AP courses (for us, Honors was usually the same difficulty as AP). That shouldn't happen.

Kids who can't keep up should be at trade/technical schools. That way they can graduate with a skill set if they don't go to a college, but could also still possibly go to college if they are smart enough.
 
I talked to my dad a bit about what he learned in college (same major) and pretty much what he learned in 4 years I am learning in my first 2 years. I have to imagine my kids are just going to be cramming more and more. Its amazing the wealth of knowledge that is out there, and it is building every day.

That said, without a drastic change in the education system, another year would be wasted, especially at the high school level. Speaking from my own experience and frustrations, one more year in public high school, and I might have kinda snapped from boredom and decided learning wasn't really worth it.|

Before we go around adding more years to schooling, it is important to make good use of the ones we already have. this can be accomplished by raising public teachers' salaries, making it a more competitive field. That way we will get passionate teachers who really aim to create lifelong learners and not just someone who can regurgitate information.

I strongly believe a better education system would solve almost every problem in this country, but I don't necessarily think that more time in school is the (complete) answer.
 
I feel that the institution of merit it pay would be vastly more effective than a blanket pay raise, in combination with increasing the requirements for tenure, at rewarding good teachers and easily removing terrible ones. Once teachers achieve tenure, they have no real incentive to teach at a level above the bare minimum, if even that. Sure, it might suck for them to have the reduced job security, but it would ensure kids are getting better educations.
 
i screamed this in my mind the second i read the title. fuck high school and fuck college too, i hated the academic aspect of that shit so much and yes i did both
 
Yeah I realize I wasn't that specific with raising pay, since frankly I haven't thought about it much, but you are right.

There is some school in NY? I think that is trying something like this with good results from the sounds of it.
 
i think kids should not be given a hs diploma until they are very proficient in math and science. The fact that some kids get in to good colleges without being at least reasonable in math and science is rediculous, because its the equivalent to letting someone in to a good school without being able to speak or write at all.

We have way to many stupid college grads these days who major in communications or pol sci or fucking management, something that you could learn on the side and requires the logic of a 12 year old. They all think they are gonna become news people or just get hired to be someones boss....

Its just silly all of these graduates end up going to law school and getting rich by suing a ski resort for building jumps...

Lawyers dont produce anything, they just take someones money and put it somewhere else. Microsoft produces something. Pixar produces something, lawyers nothing. We need people with talent to major in things that require talent like engineering or comp sci or particle physics.

Yo can go to 2 poor african nations and teach one how to engineer and make things, and you can teach the other "management" or "communications" or "pol sci".

The country you taught engineering to will be building things and harvesting its oil etc. The other country will have, if taught management, a bunch of people asking if they can be the boss of a bunch of starving people, if taught pol sci, it will be filled with starving people who blame their situation on society, and if taught "communications" the second country will have a bunch of people eloquently reporting to eachother how hungry they are.

wow sorry for the tangent
 
If anything high school should be shorter, you learn the same amount in a year of school that you do in a semester of college, if not more in college.
 
This. I did my highschooling in 100 days with 2 11-day breaks, and the classes were NOT difficult. Why can't normal public highschools achieve this rate? It was a sports school too, so it's not like we were all geniuses or something. Cut the public school system down to 100 days in 4 years, or 180 in 3 years (it's already 180 for 4 years as it is now), and think of how much we'll save budget-wise.
 
imo, more high schools should do 3 different sciences every year and 1 of those would drop.

ex:

Freshmen year- Bio, intro physics, intro chem

sophmore year- anatomy, physics 2, chem 2

junior year- medicine, physics 3, chem 3

Senior year- physics 4, chem 4

These classes don't necessarily need to be both semesters but they could be split up between the two semesters into thirds. Physics and chem remain because they're crucial to education and help in the long run. It may be cramming, but it is helping getting the most of an education.
 
Anatomy - no.Medicine - gtfo not everyone wants to be a doctor.

Where are all the CS classes? The music? Art? You've got 3 classes each quarter for a 4 years - that only fulfills half your day, even at a ludicrous 1.5hour period. The average is 1 hour.
 
This is just sciences I'm talking about, of course there's going to be room for other core classes. And yes I know anatomy and medicine weren't the best choices for my example; but the point of it was to show how more classes need to be incorporated by splitting up school years into thirds and to show that we need chem + physics.
 
yeah its not like the amount of time spent in college isnt up to the student or anything. they dont even get to pick their majors or classes right? i heard its like jail because you have to go through life as college wants you to..
 
i think the problem here is, people who can afford to take their kids skiing are rich, and rich people tend to be smart, so their smart kids make up a large majority of ns members, so everybody in this thread finds pub hs easy... all i can say is go to private school then, dont waste ur talent going to a pub school unless all its courses are honors courses etc
 
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