Do YOU have footbeds?
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tomPietrowski
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I'm going to add to this what brand of footbeds do you use.
For me it's sidas full custom with christair stabilisers for boots and standard stiff stabilisers for shoes.
For me it's sidas full custom with christair stabilisers for boots and standard stiff stabilisers for shoes.
tomPietrowski
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Nice to see full customs are the most common so far. I wonder how much that will change as the north americans start answering. Full custom footbeds are much more expensive in NA then Europe.
No.Quarter
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12960448:tomPietrowski said:
Cost me $150 for service and $150 for the product at the second best fitter in Colorado.
How much cheaper is it in Europe?
last_tango
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sidas full customs. They helped me out a bunch but still not happy with the end result. I have severe foot issues where no matter how many times I have had the foot bed tweaked I can't get my ankle to lock in and stabilize. I pretty much walk on my tib fib not my ankles or feet.
tomPietrowski
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12960460:JakeSmith said:
We do a fully stabilised sidas footbed so a sidas custom ski and a stiff heel stabiliser for £66 which is 110 bucks. Most of the time too in NA they won't stabilise the footbeds either so that 150 may be the footbed only whereas we would never sell an unsurported footbed.
tomPietrowski
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12960467:last_tango said:
Where are you based? If be more then happy to take a look at them for you if your near London or whistler.
Huck_Norris
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12960448:tomPietrowski said:
Still the best money you'll spend though IMO. Your liner will pack itself, your footbeds will suck forever until you get some good ones made.
NinetyFour
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Using trim to fit (semi-custom?) Aline RT footbeds in my boots, work shoes, and cycling shoes.
tomPietrowski
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12960504:Huck_Norris said:
Totally agree. I always advise people to buy them first and spend what they have left on the boots they are that inportant.
last_tango
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12960473:tomPietrowski said:
Everywhere but there. Salt lake, bozeman, all of new england, washington in late september, Quebec.
captainslack
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12960473:tomPietrowski said:
Whereabouts in London? Want to get some custom footbeds done this autumn
tomPietrowski
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12960588:captainslack said:
I'm at the Kensington ellis brigham but I'm only there untill mid may, then I'm back to whistler.
Caucasian_Asian
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I have Sole customs with Intuitions in my Tecnica Agent 120s, and nothing in my Cochise 120s. Just a wedge under the arch of my Intuition liners.
tomPietrowski
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12960660:eddy9 said:
Footbeds are not used just to stop pain in boots. The footbeds are used to help transfer all your power to the ski. A standard insole will not surport you in any way so you will find some movement occurs and because of this you are not transferring all the power to the ski as some is being lost in the boot. A trim to fit insole improves this and a full custom will inprove it even more. As well as maximising your energy transfer another big factor for freestyle use is the added impact protection. Your foot ha 4 arches which act like suspension for your legs. But if you knuckle a jump the impact is huge on the feet and the arches can not take it. A good footbed helps the foot when under load and in doing so can massively help with heel bruising an toe bang.
Let me know if you guys have any questions.
tomPietrowski
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Oh and I use them in shoes as they just make them more comfy. I'm on my feet a lot so I like to have my shoes as comfy as possible. It does also make te transition from shoes to boots less of a shock on the feet.
50Kal
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Sidas full custom. They were dialed in pretty much perfect til someone half ass installed Hotronics. Last time I trust a ski instructors recommendation of a boot worker.
Sidenote question: Even with Hotronics and footbed I would get numb toes from my boots. so its leaving me with the question do I have to go in every other run to off boots to regain circulation or is there something else I can try? Thinking maybe a intuition liner will keep warmer and maybe help? Thoughts?
Yes my boot is properly fitted to size. I'm a 8.5us riding 295. Yes I use foot powder and dry socks.
Sidenote question: Even with Hotronics and footbed I would get numb toes from my boots. so its leaving me with the question do I have to go in every other run to off boots to regain circulation or is there something else I can try? Thinking maybe a intuition liner will keep warmer and maybe help? Thoughts?
Yes my boot is properly fitted to size. I'm a 8.5us riding 295. Yes I use foot powder and dry socks.
skier58284
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Yes.
BlackcountryBill
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Has anyone had issues with sidas customs collapsing? I don't think mine feel how they did when they were new and I've only done about 15 days on them
eddy9
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12960697:tomPietrowski said:
Now there is something I didn't know.
I'm really interested in the arch suport. Could this possibly help with knee pain. My doctor said I get it from over use, and had to have a few weeks off. I'm wondering if anyone knows wether the extra support and shock absorption would help much?
Thanks.
tomPietrowski
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12960785:eddy9 said:
What type of knee pain are you getting? It could well be being made worse by the lack of surport in your boots. When your foot collapses inward it turns the leg inward meaning your knees are not in an ideal postion for impacts. Footbeds help realign you to give your lower body an optimal stance.
tomPietrowski
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12960741:50Kal said:
How long after you take the boots off do your feet go back to normal? If it's fast it's probably a circulation issue. This may be because the boot is too right somewhere maybe the cuff. If it takes longer for the numbness to go it may be a nerve issue. This may be because somthing such as the instep is being put under pressure. Best bet ia to have a shell check some and see what the shape is like compared to the foot.
tomPietrowski
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12960757:BlackcountryBill said:
Do you know if Ny type of stabiliser was added. If you look under the arch there would be Foam added to support the footbed. If this was not done the shape will change quickly. Luckily you can get the footbed reshaped and the stabiliser added.
will-blackwell
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i'm impressed with those numbers, in my experience, almost none of the people whose boots i have fit - that i would describe as a newschooler - have had any footbeds, let alone a custom footbed.
i hope the concept of a good footbed becomes more widely recognized, it would make my job as a boot fitter a LOT easier
i hope the concept of a good footbed becomes more widely recognized, it would make my job as a boot fitter a LOT easier
HuckNorris44
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12960347:JVanDyke said:
Th!s
tomPietrowski
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12961296:Yak. said:
In essence yes. Really I would hope a good fitter would never recomend anything but a custom option. Any fitter recomending trim to fits is doing his customers a diservice as a trim to fit simply can not be use to fit a boot well. In the shop I work at out ratio fir custom footbeds to boots is 120%. So for every ten boots we sell we sell twelve footbeds And I'm happy to say not a single trim to fit all season.
HungryHypocrite
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I'm guessing I have something that's considered trim to fit? Where you put your print in gel and let the flat footbeds to mold into the gel, taking the shape of your foot. Then they are kinda ground down to the sice needed to be to fit in the boot.
I had these done at the very start (After the first ski day) of my second season, on which I did 2 runs due to the pain my feet were in.
I Got the insoles and Intuition liners done the same day and have felt comfortable since.
The only complaints I have are that a long ago sprained ankle seems to come back after I wear my boots for long (it was an extreme stretching of the outside part of my ankle)
The other one is that I get numb toes with a really cold feeling and it seems to be due to circulation. this comes along with a point of pressure on the outside of my foot, below the ankle. (where we have a bulging vein on our feet, dont ask me which one, i never paid attention in bio.)
After all, the latter is preventable by easing into the boot by not tightening to maximum immediately, and it isnt the footbeds fault.
The ankle problem, I think could have been prevented by not stumbling around drunk, so i dont think its the footbeds fault either.
What cha think, Tom?
I had these done at the very start (After the first ski day) of my second season, on which I did 2 runs due to the pain my feet were in.
I Got the insoles and Intuition liners done the same day and have felt comfortable since.
The only complaints I have are that a long ago sprained ankle seems to come back after I wear my boots for long (it was an extreme stretching of the outside part of my ankle)
The other one is that I get numb toes with a really cold feeling and it seems to be due to circulation. this comes along with a point of pressure on the outside of my foot, below the ankle. (where we have a bulging vein on our feet, dont ask me which one, i never paid attention in bio.)
After all, the latter is preventable by easing into the boot by not tightening to maximum immediately, and it isnt the footbeds fault.
The ankle problem, I think could have been prevented by not stumbling around drunk, so i dont think its the footbeds fault either.
What cha think, Tom?
Huck_Norris
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Never forget to ask people on the internet complaining about cold or numb toes if they're in Langes first. No sense in spending hundreds and chasing fit if you just need a roll of duct tape lol
TheBiggestHuck
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To the people with cold toes,
Can you feel your heel securely planted in the boot? Sometimes with footbeds of the arch is too high or you heel isn't planted you will end up skiing on the balls of you feet and there is so much pressure they go numb. It could also be an issue of your fore foot being balanced or not. I work in a shop and we do the DFP custom footbeds and grind them down to better match the food including varus or valgus in the footbed which helps balance the forefoot and prevents numbness.
Can you feel your heel securely planted in the boot? Sometimes with footbeds of the arch is too high or you heel isn't planted you will end up skiing on the balls of you feet and there is so much pressure they go numb. It could also be an issue of your fore foot being balanced or not. I work in a shop and we do the DFP custom footbeds and grind them down to better match the food including varus or valgus in the footbed which helps balance the forefoot and prevents numbness.
Mag
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How do you guys manage to fit the insoles in your daily shoes? I tried them(orange superfeet) in a pair of mine but after walking about 10 steps outside I realized - I'd made a huge mistake and it was as tight as ops mum(I apologize for bringing nsg to the only intelligent forum).
tomPietrowski
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12962027:HungryHypocrite said:
I would guess that you are still getting some instability in the boots which is causing your foot to pronate still. This is evident from the pain on the outside of the foot. When the foot pronates in a boot the inner ankle will contact the cuff but will not be able to move inwards. Instead the foot gets pushed out often giving a pressure point on the outside of the foot. Now often a fitter may just stretch the shell but you need to look closer at why its tight. Often making the footbed more surportive or just remoulding them can help more then a stretch. The fact you fun it sore on the outside of the ankle again confirms your foot is not in neutral and is infact pronating. Your best bet is to take the footbeds back to where they were made and explain your problems. Hopefully they can work on the footbeds to better get you into a neutral position.
tomPietrowski
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12962146:.nyles said:
Well that's because your wearing ski boots now haha. But really full tilts still massively benefit from added support. i have heard people say they don't need footbeds in full tilts and it's just not true. With the liners in a full tilt you need to work even harder at keeping the foot in neutral.
tomPietrowski
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12962146:.nyles said:
Well that's because your wearing ski boots now haha. But really full tilts still massively benefit from added support. i have heard people say they don't need footbeds in full tilts and it's just not true. With the liners in a full tilt you need to work even harder at keeping the foot in neutral.
tomPietrowski
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There seem to be quite a few people suffering cold/numb toes and there are a few things fitters often overlook.
One be big factor is ankle flex. You shoul when in a neutral stance be able to flex the knee to more or less to be even with your toes. Any less then this it may mean that your unweighting the heel when flexed which puts all the weight in the toes. To aid this adapting the flex of the boot to be stiffer can help as can having a heel lift built directly into the custom footbed. Ankle flex often gets overlooked so is worth taking note of.
Another very common issue issue is having the boot too tight in the cuff. People here seem to think the tighter the better but this is not the case. All your blood vessels have to run down the leg to get to the foot so if you have the cuff very tight you may be restricting this blood flow. A good thing to do is do your boots up as you normally would then lean forward and make sure you can fit your second an third finger down the back of the liner behind your calf. If you can't do this chances are the cuff is too tight. a footbed can help here too. Often people have there boots too tight to try to eliminate movement. Well you can do exactly the same with a footbed. the difference is you can have the boots snug not overly tight.
That at may help some people hopefully an if any one else has any questions post them up.
One be big factor is ankle flex. You shoul when in a neutral stance be able to flex the knee to more or less to be even with your toes. Any less then this it may mean that your unweighting the heel when flexed which puts all the weight in the toes. To aid this adapting the flex of the boot to be stiffer can help as can having a heel lift built directly into the custom footbed. Ankle flex often gets overlooked so is worth taking note of.
Another very common issue issue is having the boot too tight in the cuff. People here seem to think the tighter the better but this is not the case. All your blood vessels have to run down the leg to get to the foot so if you have the cuff very tight you may be restricting this blood flow. A good thing to do is do your boots up as you normally would then lean forward and make sure you can fit your second an third finger down the back of the liner behind your calf. If you can't do this chances are the cuff is too tight. a footbed can help here too. Often people have there boots too tight to try to eliminate movement. Well you can do exactly the same with a footbed. the difference is you can have the boots snug not overly tight.
That at may help some people hopefully an if any one else has any questions post them up.
tomPietrowski
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12962401:Mag said:
Those orange superfeet are pretty high volume so may not fit well in lower profile shoes like vans ect. But take the original insole out and replace them with the new ones. Superfeet make lower volume versions black and yellow so these may help. Make sure you are sized correctly too. It does not go on length it goes on heel width. Also if you can see if you can fin the sidas trim to fits. Lower volume with better medial arch surport then a superfeet.
HungryHypocrite
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12963059:tomPietrowski said:
But dont the soles pack out if you put them in your shoes? for example if i were to take the soles out of my boots and put them in my 5.10s for summer, id have to take the og insole out, meaning there is nothing supporting the actual supporting footbed, it's just a flat bed. so after DH in summer, i would probably be better off just getting new insoles for my boots too, no?
tomPietrowski
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12963064:HungryHypocrite said:
It will depend on the shoes. For you putting it in a bike shoe which I relatively stiff soles you will be fine. The base of those shoes will be just like the inside of your ski boot liner. so for what you are doing you will be fine using ski footbeds. Shoes with softer soles ie walking shoes or skate shoes can benifit from a differnt footbed to that of ski boots. Partly because when you walk you want some supernation and pronation and partly because te hard soles ski footbeds will crack over time in shoes due to constant flexing. It does not effect the surport at all but can make transferring them from shoe to shoe Harder. To combat this sidas produce a footbed with a softet forefoot which flexes and is great for everyday shoes.
But it as I said for bike shoe your ski boot footbeds will be ideal.
HungryHypocrite
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but you wouldn't recommend it if im using them for some everyday walking around too?
Sorry for mad threadjack, but youre like the foot doctor of NS
Sorry for mad threadjack, but youre like the foot doctor of NS