Do the nothin but troubles have side walls???

no, they dont have edges, tips, tails, or topsheets either. in fact, you just purchased an idea. have fun mounting it.
 
sorry, i couldnt resist. but i guess ur askin about cap? im sure if you check the site under specs it will say, dont know off the top of my head.
 
obviously.

you kids are stupid.

but anyways, most skis these days are cap. easier to initiate a turn, therefore much more maneuverable, but they don't hold up as well on edge. so basically, it's pointless to buy a sidewall ski unless you're a racer.
 
you could wax the bottom of your bindings. then it would be like snowblading....but gayer.....never thought the day would come when i would say somethings gayer than snowblading. although people do telemark on blades.....i think its gonna be my goal to kill all of them.
 
alright mister smarty pants, go do your research and tell me why my statement is false, in every aspect.
 
troublemakers are half cap half sidewall but i dont know about these nothin but troubles, maybe theyre pure cap and thats what makes them price point
 
check it man, in cap skis, the topsheet of the ski connects right with the base, so there's nothing there in between to stabilize the ski, torsionally, and a ski with alot of torsional flex is much easy to turn but doesn't hold up on edge at high speeds due to that high amount of flex (you'll get tons of chatter too). a sidewall ski has either a layer of epoxy or wood in between the topsheet and base, making the ski much more torionally rigid thereby allowing it to be much more responsive at high speeds on edge.

so, as i said before, unless you're going to be sticking to groomers boosting at mach 10 taking huuge carve turns, cap style construction is sufficient.
 
dude, i sell skis/boards as a job, aiight? i know my shit. perhaps i'm just not so good at explaining it over the net.
 
just because you sell skis doesn't mean you know your shit. i'm sure plenty of us have bought skis from a person/shop that don't know their shit.

you obviously do not know your shit. capped skis are superior in their torsional rigidity. that's the whole point of the cap. during the pressing process the cap actually is pressed into the side of the ski versus just being pushed straight down on top of a ski in sandwich construction. this gives much more torsional supporty/rigidity. why do you think the new dynastars are capped only at the tips and tails and not underneath the boot? it's to increase the torsional rigidity of the tips/tails which are naturally very weak due to the lack of core thickness. what i think you're trying to say is that capped skis have a lot of edge roll-over, which is something entirely different than torsional stiffness.

you're statement of being pointless to buy a sidewall ski unless you're a racer doesn't make sense either. a sidewall construction ski has much more edge support hence it's better to use for rails and impacts.
 
you said it yourself, sidewall skis are pressed together, sandwich style, and are therefore much more prone to delamination than cap, so there is definately not more edge support. why do you think dynastar's edges rip out easily?
 
if that part of your statement were true, then why are low end, softer, more inexpensive skis capped, and high end, stiff, racing skis sandwiched?

the bottom line is capped skis wash out when carving whereas sandwiched skis hold up well while in deep carve.
 
Ill never ski anything but a sandwich constructed ski. If you heavy hit on a rail or hit a rock somewhere on the hill and compress an edge, a cap is nearly impossible to fix but a sandwhich constructed ski can easily be put back together. Plus sandwhich is just so much cooler.
 
wow, the amount of missinformation in this thread is rediculous. theres like 2 people here whio know thier shit. i seriously have way to much t do than sit here and expalin how each method difers, but there really isnt a best or worst. they have thier own strengths and weaknesses, which is why you see alot fo skis today sidewalled at the center and capped by the tips, just like ^ was sayin.
 
Alright, yeah. This shit has already been kinda cleared up, but as another shop employee, I feel compelled to contribute and just clear everything up based upon my knowledge. It was stated that cap skis have nothing supporting them except for the topsheet contacting the edge, while sidewall skis have a layer of wood or epoxy in between the topsheet and base. I know this is stupid, but are you implying that cap skis basically don't have a core? All skis, cap or sidewall have a core that provides all of the rigidity both lengthwise and torsionally through the ski. The only exception are Salomon skis which have their monocoque construction. This bascially means that the topsheet is strong enough to support the full weight of the skier which is bonded to the edges. This is the only case in which a ski could in theory work without a core. They do use a foam core which acts as a big shock absorber, the topsheet handles the flex and stiffness. Any other company with cap construction relies on the core to handle most of the flex, the construction itself does some, but very little for the flex. The only reasons they are using cap is because it allows them to use a little less material (fiberglass, epoxy, ptex, and/or ABS), it tends to ride softer because of the reduced materials (i.e. making it a perfect design for pricepoint skiers, beginner skiers, and for buttering skis), and it's easier and sometimes cheaper to press depending on what factory they are made in. Sidewall is the most popular, and desired, design today. It still has a core which handles the flex pattern. It usually also has a slight amount of dampening along the edges due to the fact that the edges are supported by a softer, synthetic material (the sidewalls). This makes it perfect for keeping an edge in icy snow at speed, or for rail durability. There is still more torsional rigidity than fully capped skis because of added material like fiberglass to the core. Sidewall skis can also be repaired to an extent due to the fact that the sidewalls can be removed and reglued after that repair is made. This is difficult for capped skis due to the fact that the topsheet is bonded into the ski and is one big part. This makes capped skis more prone to delams, and the severity of a delam is greater in a capped ski since it can be harder to repair. Sidewall skis have a sidewall protecting the topsheet from getting banged off by edges or obstacles. And if they do delam, everything can easily be glued back into place. Main point- cap skis are softer and a little more prone to damage, but they are cheaper and provide some "edge feel." Sidewall skis are stiffer, stronger, easier to repair, but usually more expensive. These are the factors companies take into consideration when designing a ski. That is why they use a certain design, or a mix of both, for certain different models of skis. This is what happens when you have a 2-hour break in college with nothing to do. Hopefully this can clear some stuff up.
 
ya thanks for clearing that all up, it was actually kinda interesting to learn all of that.
 
your not being serious right?

most ski companies besides line are not capped... and why would racers want a less maneuverable ski? its called an ABS sidewall and its pretty much the only kind to buy...
 
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