Do Tatum Monod and Kye Peterson really care about protecting our winters?

Didn’t see them on POW athlete website page. Are they specifically claiming to be pow protectors or something?

Funny thing is there is a vey long list of professional skiers who made

a lot of edits via skiing by helicopter who are on the athlete page of POW.

I’m not saying they are bad people but yeah pretty hypocritical.

https://protectourwinters.org/our-network/athlete-alliance/

But in the same hypocritical context we all are slaves to the destruction of the environment. Unless your a off the grid nomadic existence who owns no modern technology you’re contributing to the slow destruction of our environment in some form or another.
 
14221719:TH3_ARBIT3R said:
I believe in climate change.

And I must say you really are a pathetic child. Chill out.
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Well thank god you believe in the consensus of the scientific community for at least one issue, still not taking that vaccine though right?

To quote you from your “ I’m tired about hearing about climate change thread”

”I for one would happily see the world burn if it means I don’t have to put up with this climate change shit being shoved in my face all the time.” - the whatever you will change your name to in a month

yikes

So do you, or don’t you? Or does it just depend on the weather. Or is it just another meme like 1.8 million deaths. It’s hard to tell with you so I figured I would ask. Some people dedicated their lives to researching this stuff. Just for someone like you to say the science and research behind it isn’t real. Just false data to push a “narrative”.
 
Let’s be honest, what they do or don’t do has no impact on the climate. Who in their right mind would turn down heli skiing trips around the world for the sake of emissions? Life is too short live it up
 
14221720:Lonely said:
Well thank god you believe in the consensus of the scientific community for at least one issue, still not taking that vaccine though right?

To quote you from your “ I’m tired about hearing about climate change thread”

”I for one would happily see the world burn if it means I don’t have to put up with this climate change shit being shoved in my face all the time.” - the whatever you will change your name to in a month

yikes

So do you, or don’t you? Or does it just depend on the weather. Or is it just another meme like 1.8 million deaths. It’s hard to tell with you so I figured I would ask. Some people dedicated their lives to researching this stuff. Just for someone like you to say the science and research behind it isn’t real. Just false data to push a “narrative”.
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You take this forum WAY to seriously lol. And if you want my true opinion a la, my true insight, well here it is:

I do believe in climate change. However when I say something that seems controversial, consider it a parody of the society that we live in, (this is something I do unconsciously)

We live in interesting times "The gray zone is a landscape inundated with unprovable facts and provable falsehoods that flow through our conversations, one like these. The gray zone is the ungraspable terrain we now find ourselves in as a result of our vastly extended technological tools for knowledge making. It is a world of limited knowability and existentialist doubt. In this world we are forced to acknowledge the narrow extent of empirical reckoning and the poor returns of on overwhelming flows on knowledge"

"Contrails are both chemtrails and the early warming signs of global warming: they can be each of these things at the same time."

The above example can be applied to anything today. The Pfizer vaccine is both a vaccine with limited long term testing (with implications to wider conspiracies) and the spark which saves the west. It is a paradox. I personally think we will never know the truth on matters such as these - only a select few really know what is going on.

The news is manipulated, people have biases, bots spread misinformation on the internet, studies are wrong (look into perception management) There is an overflow of information that makes it impossible to establish one coherent narrative. In terms of more esoteric implications, like the schizophrenic, our society is now fragmented, disjointed and unhappy. The collective psyche of man, having to confront these paradoxes is sign of a larger shift to a kind of spiritual awakening...... Or maybe this is the "great filter" in which man falls under the influx of technology and information? And alas we are back to the gray zone, in which the paradoxes we face are both two things at once.
 
14221722:Casey said:
Let’s be honest, what they do or don’t do has no impact on the climate. Who in their right mind would turn down heli skiing trips around the world for the sake of emissions? Life is too short live it up
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I agree but it is a case of principle.
 
At least they're not as hypocritical as Caroline Gleich, flying a heli around LCC in Utah just to take engagement photos...
 
14221718:Lonely said:
POW is a HoAx meant to ConTROL the POPULACE...

or something like that
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You’re literally the dumbest member on this site next to Milfy. Holy fuck I realized UP’ers were inbred fucks but you take the cake. Please don’t procreate.
 
topic:TH3_ARBIT3R said:
All they do is rip around on turbo skidoo’s and jet skis........ pic related

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U ride chairlifts and go to a ski mountain that depends on a massive amount of energy to blow snow. not to mention the car that you drive to get there. They have less of an impact on the environment than most skiers out there.
 
that kinda only holds up when you're talking about one person, imagine everyone running skidoos up your local mountain instead of using the chairlifts

14221796:I_Bohrmann said:
U ride chairlifts and go to a ski mountain that depends on a massive amount of energy to blow snow. not to mention the car that you drive to get there. They have less of an impact on the environment than most skiers out there.
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POW isn't really about an individual's contribution to the environment. It never has been. POW tackles climate change at the policy level. Environmental regulations on energy production, manufacturing, shipping, transportation, land usage, etc. have far greater impacts on climate change than personal helicopters and skidoos.

Athletes like Jeremy Jones are switching to backcountry because it sets an example, but POW's mission is for policy-level change, not personal change.
 
14221796:I_Bohrmann said:
U ride chairlifts and go to a ski mountain that depends on a massive amount of energy to blow snow. not to mention the car that you drive to get there. They have less of an impact on the environment than most skiers out there.
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You’re trying to tell me that the resorts environmental impact is my fault and therefore is part of my carbon footprint because I ski there?

dude you’re delusional if you think pro skiers with their heli trips and braap braaping around is less of an environmental impact that me driving to work everyday and skiing every now and then. You do realize these people more than likely have larger houses, spend more money on equipment and cars than I could afford and you still think they have a smaller impact than most skiers?

I shouldn’t be surprised by the ignorance of the members here but damn....
 
14221819:Biffbarf said:
They care when there's always someone else to blame but themselves.
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This. Only when the general public/us peasants have the ability to disrupt their elitist lifestyle do they feel the need to tell us that we need to save the environment so they can enjoy it for years to come.

most people cannot afford to live a sustainable, environmentally conscious lifestyle and the whole “holier than thou” attitude is a fucking joke.
 
14221796:I_Bohrmann said:
U ride chairlifts and go to a ski mountain that depends on a massive amount of energy to blow snow. not to mention the car that you drive to get there. They have less of an impact on the environment than most skiers out there.
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Hey I don’t give a fuck about protecting our winters my man
 
14221724:TH3_ARBIT3R said:
You take this forum WAY to seriously lol. And if you want my true opinion a la, my true insight, well here it is:

I do believe in climate change. However when I say something that seems controversial, consider it a parody of the society that we live in, (this is something I do unconsciously)

We live in interesting times "The gray zone is a landscape inundated with unprovable facts and provable falsehoods that flow through our conversations, one like these. The gray zone is the ungraspable terrain we now find ourselves in as a result of our vastly extended technological tools for knowledge making. It is a world of limited knowability and existentialist doubt. In this world we are forced to acknowledge the narrow extent of empirical reckoning and the poor returns of on overwhelming flows on knowledge"

"Contrails are both chemtrails and the early warming signs of global warming: they can be each of these things at the same time."

The above example can be applied to anything today. The Pfizer vaccine is both a vaccine with limited long term testing (with implications to wider conspiracies) and the spark which saves the west. It is a paradox. I personally think we will never know the truth on matters such as these - only a select few really know what is going on.

The news is manipulated, people have biases, bots spread misinformation on the internet, studies are wrong (look into perception management) There is an overflow of information that makes it impossible to establish one coherent narrative. In terms of more esoteric implications, like the schizophrenic, our society is now fragmented, disjointed and unhappy. The collective psyche of man, having to confront these paradoxes is sign of a larger shift to a kind of spiritual awakening...... Or maybe this is the "great filter" in which man falls under the influx of technology and information? And alas we are back to the gray zone, in which the paradoxes we face are both two things at once.
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[tag=225125]@Lonely[/tag] kindly awaiting your response.

I doubt you have anything to say in response to actual intelligent thought though. God Americans are dumb egoists. You throw around shade when someone threatens you, then when something of true value comes up, you ignore it and continue on with your monkey like antics. Typical.
 
14221778:Mtuhockey33 said:
You’re literally the dumbest member on this site next to Milfy. Holy fuck I realized UP’ers were inbred fucks but you take the cake. Please don’t procreate.
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Agreed, he operates on a very singular plane of bias based intelligence.
 
If you're on this site, you likely:

- Buy skis, boots, bindings, poles, outerwear, goggles, gloves, layers made overseas.

- Travel a significant distance to ski.

- Ski on snow that's been groomed which burns an unbelievable amount of diesel, and that requires an insane amount of electricity to move water uphill and to run snowguns.

- Ride chairlifts that need lots of power to run.

.

- The roads and lots need to be salted and cindered daily for everyone to do these things.

...among many other tangible impacts.

Skiing is inherently a disastrous activity for the environment just like everything else we do. I'm down for "protecting" what we can but this god complex people have after they donate to feel-good orgs while not changing their personal behavior is hilarious. The way people self ingratiatingly back-pat themselves in this industry is gross.

Dudes ripping around on sleds in the back country are likely doing less damage collectively than most.
 
I think many of you are missing the point of what Protect Our Winters actually does. Change is made on the policy level, not on the individual person level. POW is partially responsible for the Colorado Zero Emission Vehicle Mandate, the Colorado Climate Action Plan to Reduce Pollution, and the CORE act. Those 3 plans are what matter. Not a snowmobile argument.
 
14222035:BrandoComando said:
I think many of you are missing the point of what Protect Our Winters actually does. Change is made on the policy level, not on the individual person level. POW is partially responsible for the Colorado Zero Emission Vehicle Mandate, the Colorado Climate Action Plan to Reduce Pollution, and the CORE act. Those 3 plans are what matter. Not a snowmobile argument.
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>change is made on the policy level, not on the individual personal level

.........
 
14222054:TH3_ARBIT3R said:
>change is made on the policy level, not on the individual personal level

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It's true. I'll use Castle Gate Power Plant for example. It was a pair of power plants in Utah that opened in 1954 and 1957. It released the following amount of compounds into the environment in 2010 and 2011. Because of political activism, this plant was shut down in 2015 by the EPA and has been supplemented with solar and wind farms. The policy decision to obsolete this power plant far outweighs hundreds of people taking the initiative to replace their personal gas vehicles with electric ones.

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14222035:BrandoComando said:
I think many of you are missing the point of what Protect Our Winters actually does. Change is made on the policy level, not on the individual person level. POW is partially responsible for the Colorado Zero Emission Vehicle Mandate, the Colorado Climate Action Plan to Reduce Pollution, and the CORE act. Those 3 plans are what matter. Not a snowmobile argument.
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Mandating the creation of millions of new lithium batteries. Tight..

Imagine wanting to pat yourself on the back so hard you're willing to pass legislative action that would encourage private industry to displace subsurface aquifers in third world countries so that lithium slurry can evaporate in a desert.

The wokeness is off the fuckin meter.
 
14222194:T.L. said:
Mandating the creation of millions of new lithium batteries. Tight..

Imagine wanting to pat yourself on the back so hard you're willing to pass legislative action that would encourage private industry to displace subsurface aquifers in third world countries so that lithium slurry can evaporate in a desert.

The wokeness is off the fuckin meter.
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1. Lithium is reusable. You can recycle existing lithium batteries. As lithium production increases and the resource becomes more scarce, recycling old batteries will become more cost effective. Recycling is already happening at the Tesla-Panasonic battery Gigafactory - the largest battery factory on earth.

2. The largest lithium mines are in Australia, Chile, and Argentina. Not third world and very much in control of their environmental impacts.

3. Mining lithium sucks, but so does mining everything else. Batteries are the lesser of two evils when compared to non-renewable energy. The idea is once the world reaches it’s quota of lithium, mining will cease and we will recycle our needs going forward.

Batteries aren’t a clean fix. But they’re a hell of a lot better than coal and petroleum. If we can take a step in the right direction, that’s a good thing.

I’ve dedicated 6 years of my educational and professional career to sustainable engineering and manufacturing. I think POW is doing a great job and there needs to be more companies and foundations doing real action for the planet
 
14222231:BrandoComando said:
1. Lithium is reusable. You can recycle existing lithium batteries. As lithium production increases and the resource becomes more scarce, recycling old batteries will become more cost effective. Recycling is already happening at the Tesla-Panasonic battery Gigafactory - the largest battery factory on earth.

2. The largest lithium mines are in Australia, Chile, and Argentina. Not third world and very much in control of their environmental impacts.

3. Mining lithium sucks, but so does mining everything else. Batteries are the lesser of two evils when compared to non-renewable energy. The idea is once the world reaches it’s quota of lithium, mining will cease and we will recycle our needs going forward.

Batteries aren’t a clean fix. But they’re a hell of a lot better than coal and petroleum. If we can take a step in the right direction, that’s a good thing.

I’ve dedicated 6 years of my educational and professional career to sustainable engineering and manufacturing. I think POW is doing a great job and there needs to be more companies and foundations doing real action for the planet
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Believe me, I'm down for sustainable everything. I just don't think mandates, bans, and unreasonably restrictive regulations are the correct way of going about things.

Look at mountain towns in CO for example; they know that having emissions regulations would be unreasonably restrictive to their primary workforce (people who drive rust buckets and rattle traps from all over the country), so they don't bother mandating it because it would be one more expensive barrier of entry for the people they depend on.
 
14222245:T.L. said:
Believe me, I'm down for sustainable everything. I just don't think mandates, bans, and unreasonably restrictive regulations are the correct way of going about things.

Look at mountain towns in CO for example; they know that having emissions regulations would be unreasonably restrictive to their primary workforce (people who drive rust buckets and rattle traps from all over the country), so they don't bother mandating it because it would be one more expensive barrier of entry for the people they depend on.
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I agree with you 100%. It’s an incredibly difficult and intricate problem to solve. Especially with an example like the one you gave. Mountain towns already have the widest wealth gap anywhere in the country. I don’t think anyone wants to make that problem worse than it is.
 
14222004:TH3_ARBIT3R said:
[tag=225125]@Lonely[/tag] kindly awaiting your response.

I doubt you have anything to say in response to actual intelligent thought though. God Americans are dumb egoists. You throw around shade when someone threatens you, then when something of true value comes up, you ignore it and continue on with your monkey like antics. Typical.
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Paging [tag=225125]@Lonely[/tag] I know you've seen this. What bullshit reply do you have? I assume nothing, seeing as this one of the most objective views on the world you will come across. Your subjective echo chamber of a mind, fueled by bias and ego is MOGGED by my CHAD philosophy.
 
14222294:TH3_ARBIT3R said:
Paging [tag=225125]@Lonely[/tag] I know you've seen this. What bullshit reply do you have? I assume nothing, seeing as this one of the most objective views on the world you will come across. Your subjective echo chamber of a mind, fueled by bias and ego is MOGGED by my CHAD philosophy.
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Well, I mean, since this whole thread is about the hypocrisy of POW athletes, I would hope that you never come back to N.A. again on a plane, to ski, since that would be hypocritical. Or are we not supposed to make literal arguments? Or are we? I can never tell with you because you change your tune from post to post. Your chad philosophy, and most of your arguments, are built upon a pillar of sand. You claim to be objective, yet you claim that the covid vaccine is unsafe compared to covid itself, which is objectively false. It doesn't matter if you are proved wrong, you can always dig deeper into the pile of shit and pull out a turd.

At the end of the day, it does not matter what I say. You will still ignore objective data, or discount it through lies, and continue to make bad faith arguments. You will talk about how you want to stop hearing about climate change. Then claim it is important. Then claim that other posts were simply humorous and not to be taken literally, while also saying that statements should be taken literally. Contradiction after contradiction. Respond with an ad hominem, then a constructed public, then claim that objective things must be false because they do not fit your world view. These are all the signs and symptoms of a weakminded, insecure individual who has nothing better to do with their time.

Hell, I can even make a positive post thanking the people of NS, and that is somehow a sign of....(insert poorly formulated argument).

Nothing I say will change your mind, but I will apparently still continue to live rent-free inside your head. I can't spend a day on NS now without getting tagged by you or the racist in some crackpot post. I hope you find peace man. I really do.
 
14222303:Lonely said:
Well, I mean, since this whole thread is about the hypocrisy of POW athletes, I would hope that you never come back to N.A. again on a plane, to ski, since that would be hypocritical. Or are we not supposed to make literal arguments? Or are we? I can never tell with you because you change your tune from post to post. Your chad philosophy, and most of your arguments, are built upon a pillar of sand. You claim to be objective, yet you claim that the covid vaccine is unsafe compared to covid itself, which is objectively false. It doesn't matter if you are proved wrong, you can always dig deeper into the pile of shit and pull out a turd.

At the end of the day, it does not matter what I say. You will still ignore objective data, or discount it through lies, and continue to make bad faith arguments. You will talk about how you want to stop hearing about climate change. Then claim it is important. Then claim that other posts were simply humorous and not to be taken literally, while also saying that statements should be taken literally. Contradiction after contradiction. Respond with an ad hominem, then a constructed public, then claim that objective things must be false because they do not fit your world view. These are all the signs and symptoms of a weakminded, insecure individual who has nothing better to do with their time.

Hell, I can even make a positive post thanking the people of NS, and that is somehow a sign of....(insert poorly formulated argument).

Nothing I say will change your mind, but I will apparently still continue to live rent-free inside your head. I can't spend a day on NS now without getting tagged by you or the racist in some crackpot post. I hope you find peace man. I really do.
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You literally ignored everything I said in my original response to you in this thread (in reference to grey zones) Instead you choose to harp on with the same narrative that you’ve always been preaching about me.

YOU are the one who ignores the content of the conversation and let’s his bias taint the ideas being talked about. YOU are the one who uses personal attacks to lever his position and then paints it in a holier than thou attitude.

You’re gasping for air now, you’ve been outdone. Face it. You could go to the olympics with your mental gymnastics ?‍♀️

[tag=261428]@Mtuhockey33[/tag] check out my original response to lonely then read his “response” lmao. This guy has zero reading comprehension skills.

**This post was edited on Jan 5th 2021 at 12:22:35am
 
14221724:TH3_ARBIT3R said:
You take this forum WAY to seriously lol. And if you want my true opinion a la, my true insight, well here it is:

I do believe in climate change. However when I say something that seems controversial, consider it a parody of the society that we live in, (this is something I do unconsciously)

We live in interesting times "The gray zone is a landscape inundated with unprovable facts and provable falsehoods that flow through our conversations, one like these. The gray zone is the ungraspable terrain we now find ourselves in as a result of our vastly extended technological tools for knowledge making. It is a world of limited knowability and existentialist doubt. In this world we are forced to acknowledge the narrow extent of empirical reckoning and the poor returns of on overwhelming flows on knowledge"

"Contrails are both chemtrails and the early warming signs of global warming: they can be each of these things at the same time."

The above example can be applied to anything today. The Pfizer vaccine is both a vaccine with limited long term testing (with implications to wider conspiracies) and the spark which saves the west. It is a paradox. I personally think we will never know the truth on matters such as these - only a select few really know what is going on.

The news is manipulated, people have biases, bots spread misinformation on the internet, studies are wrong (look into perception management) There is an overflow of information that makes it impossible to establish one coherent narrative. In terms of more esoteric implications, like the schizophrenic, our society is now fragmented, disjointed and unhappy. The collective psyche of man, having to confront these paradoxes is sign of a larger shift to a kind of spiritual awakening...... Or maybe this is the "great filter" in which man falls under the influx of technology and information? And alas we are back to the gray zone, in which the paradoxes we face are both two things at once.
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[tag=225125]@Lonely[/tag] your response was cute and all but you seemed to have ignored the entire contents of this.

**This post was edited on Jan 5th 2021 at 12:27:36am
 
14222325:TH3_ARBIT3R said:
[tag=225125]@Lonely[/tag] your response was cute and all but you seemed to have ignored the entire contents of this.

**This post was edited on Jan 5th 2021 at 12:27:36am
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I'm living rent free! You're head isn't the nicest place to live...but I do be living there rent free
 
14222337:Lonely said:
I'm living rent free! You're head isn't the nicest place to live...but I do be living there rent free
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Logan, Logan, Logan....... that’s what we call a throwaway response!

Don’t think about me when you’re jerking your gherkin to BBC cuck porn tonight, (that’s right I know your search history) I’m living in your head rent free baby!

**This post was edited on Jan 5th 2021 at 12:57:42am
 
Ppl who think humanity is anywhere close to being as powerful an influence on the earths climate as the natural swings of climate change are 85 iq tools.

If the earth gets too warm we can always just fertilize the oceans.

problem solved.
 
14222370:DolanReloaded said:
Ppl who think humanity is anywhere close to being as powerful an influence on the earths climate as the natural swings of climate change are 85 iq tools.

If the earth gets too warm we can always just fertilize the oceans.

problem solved.
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14222765:DolanReloaded said:
Exactly. Fertilize the ocean. Worlds net carbon footprint reduced to zero in 3 yrs.
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Or, we could get government and large institutions to start mandating rules regarding Co2 emissions so that even if we do fertilize the ocean we won't have to do it for the rest of humanity because our carbon emissions will eventually be reduced.
 
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