Do I shred too hard?

evanball

evanball

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So I have a bit of a track record of destroying skis quickly and I don’t understand why. Most recently, my icelantic nomad 95s are on their deathbed from edge damage/ base separation after only around 40-50 days of park skiing. Is it normal for a ski (specifically one known for its durability like the nomads) to get this fucked up this fast? Probably in the range of 30-40 cracks, a couple sections are missing entirely and of course theres a massive hole in the sidewall which fills with snow, making my ski higher on one side than the other. Should I just make another attempt at repairing this or do I need new skis asap? I’ve tried filling the crack/clamping with jb weld, 3M 5200 and recently I used Gflex epoxy but they all bust back open in a couple days of skiing.

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For me this would be a new ski maneuver, but I know a guy [tag=244295]@weatcoast[/tag] who might have a trick up his sleeve for you if u wanna turn em edgeless. And also 40-50 days of park skiing for any pair of skis is pretty normal, depending how hard you ride if they last longer than that it’s a bit of a miracle

edit: watching the vid you posted get new skis. The cores are rotted to hell and you might fuck up ur knees if the bindings rip out

**This post was edited on Jan 3rd 2023 at 4:00:49pm
 
weatcoastDid you take care of your edge cracks when they first started

How do you do that? Just with jb weld? I go through park skis like a f*g and all of my pairs end up looking the exact same as those while none of my friends do, no matter what they ride.........hate big cracks under foot. When that shows up I feel like your basically just doomed and the skis days are getting numbered
 
14495997:rojo.grande said:
For me this would be a new ski maneuver, but I know a guy [tag=244295]@weatcoast[/tag] who might have a trick up his sleeve for you if u wanna turn em edgeless. And also 40-50 days of park skiing for any pair of skis is pretty normal, depending how hard you ride if they last longer than that it’s a bit of a miracle

edit: watching the vid you posted get new skis. The cores are rotted to hell and you might fuck up ur knees if the bindings rip out

**This post was edited on Jan 3rd 2023 at 4:00:49pm
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Yeah I’m not surprised that they’re done but I feel like most people I know get much more life from their skis than just 40 days. Someone made a thread not long ago about how their factions lasted about over 100 days with minimal damage.
 
14496033:weatcoast said:
Did you take care of your edge cracks when they first started
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Not really. i detuned underfoot when I got them and I think I filled some cracks with an epoxy at some point as an experiment, but I didn’t know there was much you could do to slow it down.
 
14496064:evanball said:
Yeah I’m not surprised that they’re done but I feel like most people I know get much more life from their skis than just 40 days. Someone made a thread not long ago about how their factions lasted about over 100 days with minimal damage.
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Whoever wrote that lied to you. First off they’re factions, second they most likely can only straight slide rails and occasionally ski park if a pair of factions lasted more than a season
 
14496055:J-Dunn said:
weatcoastDid you take care of your edge cracks when they first started

How do you do that? Just with jb weld? I go through park skis like a f*g and all of my pairs end up looking the exact same as those while none of my friends do, no matter what they ride.........hate big cracks under foot. When that shows up I feel like your basically just doomed and the skis days are getting numbered
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West Systems G flex. Puts all other epoxy to absolute shame
 
I think it was a guy on here named Tomi and he hits his edges with an angle grinder from tip to tail. I think he used to be a welder. I can tag him if anyone wants to pick his brain. I follow him on insta. He pretty much exclusively rides park and he skis a lot

14496064:evanball said:
Yeah I’m not surprised that they’re done but I feel like most people I know get much more life from their skis than just 40 days. Someone made a thread not long ago about how their factions lasted about over 100 days with minimal damage.
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14496067:rojo.grande said:
Whoever wrote that lied to you. First off they’re factions, second they most likely can only straight slide rails and occasionally ski park if a pair of factions lasted more than a season
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A mistake that some people make when sliding rails is engaging their edge upon landing on the rail/feature. This naturally compresses and degrades your edge, then your sidewall and core. Practicing using more of the base of your ski upon jumping on a rail and only engaging your edge when needed may prolong your ski lifespan
 
14496102:s.j.mitchell said:
A mistake that some people make when sliding rails is engaging their edge upon landing on the rail/feature. This naturally compresses and degrades your edge, then your sidewall and core. Practicing using more of the base of your ski upon jumping on a rail and only engaging your edge when needed may prolong your ski lifespan
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Nice job regurgitating Emmett’s words from the Vishnu story… it is facts however.
 
14496097:BradFiAusNzCoCa said:
I think it was a guy on here named Tomi and he hits his edges with an angle grinder from tip to tail. I think he used to be a welder. I can tag him if anyone wants to pick his brain. I follow him on insta. He pretty much exclusively rides park and he skis a lot
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I dremel the shit out of my skis under foot, fade detunes around toe and hell back into my effective edge then detune high tip and tail. Angle grinder is a crazy move but there’s a few clips floating around in old TC episodes of Wesson doing the exact same thing
 
14496036:dwt802 said:
Those are fucked your core is rotted if not shattered/cracked
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I'd pry that opening apart a little so I could get some g flex epoxy in there nice n deep. Hit it with a hair drier to make it more viscous and flow in even deeper, then clamp that sucker up with like 6 clamps and let cure for a day.

Should hold together for a few days. Repeat these steps every time the ski sits for a while and the core is dry.

I have a pair of shredditors on their 4th season that I've applied and reapplied gflex to and their still going. Binding will probably rip out soon but it's been a full season since the ski looked like OP's and it still going. I don't go big though so consequences of a binding pullout are small. *knock on wood*
 
14496136:TOAST. said:
I'd pry that opening apart a little so I could get some g flex epoxy in there nice n deep. Hit it with a hair drier to make it more viscous and flow in even deeper, then clamp that sucker up with like 6 clamps and let cure for a day.

Should hold together for a few days. Repeat these steps every time the ski sits for a while and the core is dry.

I have a pair of shredditors on their 4th season that I've applied and reapplied gflex to and their still going. Binding will probably rip out soon but it's been a full season since the ski looked like OP's and it still going. I don't go big though so consequences of a binding pullout are small. *knock on wood*
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Boutta try this on my stingers thank you
 
I really do think there is something to the harder the detune, the more the durability. I had some armadas (pre-Amer) that I took to a shop and asked them to detune. They went crazy. They were basically tubes underfoot and they lasted a ton of abuse until I pulled the edge out on a rock. No edge cracks. Kind of shocking with how often I skied rails on them. Probably 70 days of rails, at least, on them

14496126:rojo.grande said:
I dremel the shit out of my skis under foot, fade detunes around toe and hell back into my effective edge then detune high tip and tail. Angle grinder is a crazy move but there’s a few clips floating around in old TC episodes of Wesson doing the exact same thing
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**This post was edited on Jan 3rd 2023 at 11:51:50pm
 
14496143:BradFiAusNzCoCa said:
I really do think there is something to the harder the detune, the more the durability. I had some armadas (pre-Amer) that I took to a shop and asked them to detune. They went crazy. They were basically tubes underfoot and they lasted a ton of abuse until I pulled the edge out on a rock. No edge cracks. Kind of shocking with how often I skied rails on them. Probably 70 days of rails, at least, on them

**This post was edited on Jan 3rd 2023 at 11:51:50pm
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I’m with you on this one! I had the factory detune on a pair of mags and further detuned them soon as they got in my hands. Roughly 35-40 days in and they’ve had less damage than I’d expect that’s for sure!
 
Just wanna say I’ve been on my poachers since 2019-2020 season and not a single edge crack. I ride them on concrete, in the woods when there’s shit coverage, over rocks, literally no damage whatsoever and never detuned them.

My previous skis were recoils, and I skied those for like 5 years just as hard and those don’t have a single ounce of wear outside of topsheet chips. Also didn’t detune those.

Thats why I hard vouch K2. I’m prob a minority but the only skis I’ve ever broken were Lines.

Idk how you’re blowing up skis that quickly but it might have something to do with you grind rails / how much weight you’re putting on your skis but maybe it’s that? I’ve never seen you ski so idk, but that’s my 2 cents
 
14496145:rojo.grande said:
I had the factory detune on a pair of mags and further detuned them soon as they got in my hands
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wow madman, the park detune on on3ps is already pretty aggressive
 
14496097:BradFiAusNzCoCa said:
I think it was a guy on here named Tomi and he hits his edges with an angle grinder from tip to tail. I think he used to be a welder. I can tag him if anyone wants to pick his brain. I follow him on insta. He pretty much exclusively rides park and he skis a lot
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i used an angle grinder on a pair of wets that i haven’t rode yet, seems like it’ll work nicely
 
also i have a similar amount of days on these skis and i can’t feel the difference between these and a new pair so i think you could prolly try to fix yours and be fine

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Detuning sketches me out! Carving is fun! And maybe 50% of the time I ski it's raining or all ice......fuckin Ohio

**This post was edited on Jan 4th 2023 at 10:11:25am
 
I know icelantic probably won't warranty these but they do have a 3 year warranty so you could hit them up and see if they'd sell you another single ski or something
 
My Faction Prodigy 3.0X's have ~115 days on them and they're in better condition than any other ski (2x dollos, 1x thanos dogs, 1x Revolt95's, 1x wReckoner102's) I've had after 40ish days. Minimal damage is exaggerated, but there's still only one slightly bulging sidewall and even one edge without a single crack. Two of the four sidewalls miss parts of their edge. One 1cm and one 8cm. If someone wants to see them, I'm happy to upload some pics.

14496064:evanball said:
Yeah I’m not surprised that they’re done but I feel like most people I know get much more life from their skis than just 40 days. Someone made a thread not long ago about how their factions lasted about over 100 days with minimal damage.
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Cool story bro. My current pair is now 13 months & ~115 park days old. I pretty much ski park exclusively. You can check my level from my Instagram account, link below.

14496067:rojo.grande said:
Whoever wrote that lied to you. First off they’re factions, second they most likely can only straight slide rails and occasionally ski park if a pair of factions lasted more than a season
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My edges are dulled round to a point where you couldn't hurt a baby's butt with them on tips, tails, (the part that doesn't touch snow unless you're buttering) and between the bindings. Slight detune under bindings. When breaking a new pair in, I dull the edges on every waxing. Other than that, they're sharp and get sharpened every now and then. My skis get waxed between five to ten days on the hill, whenever the wax starts to wear out.

14496097:BradFiAusNzCoCa said:
I think it was a guy on here named Tomi and he hits his edges with an angle grinder from tip to tail. I think he used to be a welder. I can tag him if anyone wants to pick his brain. I follow him on insta. He pretty much exclusively rides park and he skis a lot
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Great carving ability or great rail sliding ability. Pick one. Both suck in the middle ground so the best option is to go hard on one end and accept the sucking on the other. Whenever I want to carve groomers, I choose my carving skis (a fresh pair of Prodigy 3.0X's waiting for their turn to become a park ski).

14496224:J-Dunn said:
Detuning sketches me out! Carving is fun! And maybe 50% of the time I ski it's raining or all ice......fuckin Ohio

**This post was edited on Jan 4th 2023 at 10:11:25am
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14496919:tominiemenmaa said:
My Faction Prodigy 3.0X's have ~115 days on them and they're in better condition than any other ski (2x dollos, 1x thanos dogs, 1x Revolt95's, 1x wReckoner102's) I've had after 40ish days. Minimal damage is exaggerated, but there's still only one slightly bulging sidewall and even one edge without a single crack. Two of the four sidewalls miss parts of their edge. One 1cm and one 8cm. If someone wants to see them, I'm happy to upload some pics.

Cool story bro. My current pair is now 13 months & ~115 park days old. I pretty much ski park exclusively. You can check my level from my Instagram account, link below.

My edges are dulled round to a point where you couldn't hurt a baby's butt with them on tips, tails, (the part that doesn't touch snow unless you're buttering) and between the bindings. Slight detune under bindings. When breaking a new pair in, I dull the edges on every waxing. Other than that, they're sharp and get sharpened every now and then. My skis get waxed between five to ten days on the hill, whenever the wax starts to wear out.

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Wow you have way too much time on your hands with a literature report of a response like that.

“You can check my level from my Instagram account. Link below.” Laughable.

Bottom line:

faction across the board has a terrible rep. I don’t care what your personal experience is, the widespread general consensus is that they aren’t durable. Just because you have had a positive experience doesn’t take away from the fact that the majority of their users have not.
 
Cool story, bro. The Faction reputation is shitty, but they seem to have made the move to the other end ot the pool.

14497087:rojo.grande said:
Wow you have way too much time on your hands with a literature report of a response like that.

“You can check my level from my Instagram account. Link below.” Laughable.

Bottom line:

faction across the board has a terrible rep. I don’t care what your personal experience is, the widespread general consensus is that they aren’t durable. Just because you have had a positive experience doesn’t take away from the fact that the majority of their users have not.
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14500899:dwt802 said:
Good thing the skis shit the bed before I got to try unfortunately but fortunately
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i will do it again in the future. lucky they fell apart on a soft day and the fall wasn't bad.
 
14500906:BradFiAusNzCoCa said:
Hoping these aren’t your new park skis you were just talking about in another thread
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nope this was their 4th season. I have another used pair I need to get mounted. hoping for another 3+ years of shredditors.
 
14500910:BradFiAusNzCoCa said:
What are the new park skis?
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I was more referring to the new to me pair of shredditors that I'll be riding. damaged skis are much more fun to ride because you don't give a shit about cracking edges and such.
 
Yeah I get that. Broken in skis feel more fun too. Tools not jewels.

14500912:TOAST. said:
I was more referring to the new to me pair of shredditors that I'll be riding. damaged skis are much more fun to ride because you don't give a shit about cracking edges and such.
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To all y’all that have skis in rough shape like this, do you store them somewhere dry / warm? If you leave them out in the cold / in your car, any melted snow will get into your edge cracks where it will freeze and make it tremendously worse.
 
14500970:Lemuel said:
To all y’all that have skis in rough shape like this, do you store them somewhere dry / warm? If you leave them out in the cold / in your car, any melted snow will get into your edge cracks where it will freeze and make it tremendously worse.
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my friends all make fun of me for drying my skis off with a towel in the parking lot after I ski lol
 
14500970:Lemuel said:
To all y’all that have skis in rough shape like this, do you store them somewhere dry / warm? If you leave them out in the cold / in your car, any melted snow will get into your edge cracks where it will freeze and make it tremendously worse.
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they get stored in a semi heated garage. doesn't really matter when you ski slush every other day for half your season, they don't dry out. do try to get them dry before applying epoxy though.
 
[video]https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1061939/trim-77FDD0B0-B33F-4457-A6E5-EC1BC9AF7720-MOV[/video]

Update: shredded too hard
 
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